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mickeyrat said:One of those things you take for granted is how previous presidents actually read books. The fact that we even need to consciously recognize that is pretty sad. Everyone reads, right? Well, the current president probably can't finish a book, if he even possesses the necessary literacy to even try.Both Clinton and Bush took an interest in pandemic response because of books that laid out the danger. Obama kept our preparedness in place after H1N1 struck early in his first term, and then the ebola scare followed, but aggressive contact tracing kept ebola from spreading even after it landed here (I'll note here that the current president demanded at the time that Obama should resign over the incident). I don't know if we were on good enough footing to box in SARS-CoV-2, but we were certainly on better footing before Trump.
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YAKIMATSU said:
Not just you. I will be on the home rail too.SPEEDY MCCREADY said:F Me In The Brain said:
I sure hope not but I think that until we know if this is going to come back in the fall, as some suspect, I don't think there is a way they open stadiums for leagues.PJNB said:
You think sports with fans are done for 12-18 months?F Me In The Brain said:
This isn't going to happen.DewieCox said:Trump/sports commissioners conferfence call. Full arenas and baseball by August, NFL start in September. Didn’t see it mentioned. Seems somewhat reasonable but I think stadium sized crowds could be too much. I like MLB’s idea of playing in empty stadiums in centralized location til we get a handle on how hard it will hit in the fall.
Until they get a vaccine in place no sane leadership will support this
Which means that Trump will leave it up to others to land in the correct spots on this.
Agree about no crowd activities. They could happen.
If it takes 12-18 I think we will have to do it without crowds.
Or, I could see people who recover being ok to be a part of crowds if they show immunity is carrying.
Who knows ....damn this sucks.Myself?
Im not going to any baseball games, concerts, sporting events in general, for a year. They could open up baseball in July or August, offer $1.00 tickets with a free beer and a hot dog, and there is no way in hell I am going. Same for a concert. Pearl Jam can offer FREE tickets, and I still wont go, until we are in 2021.
Just me.
Yankee Stadium? They could let me throw out the 1st pitch, then play 3rd base and bat leadoff on opening day. No thanks.
I wouldn't step foot in that place for a year, minimum
Take me piece by piece.....
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Well, I brought it up in my post. So any prior knowledge was not needed to read my post. It clearly states the similarity. It was not anything more than that. Whether relevant or not.mcgruff10 said:
Everyone knows about Kent state but I am going to guess not as many people know about the 1931 massacre in Sweden.
And I would also argue against "everyone" knowing about Kent State.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
What if you got and recovered from The Rona - would you go, then?The love he receives is the love that is saved0
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Please elaborate.YAKIMATSU said:I do now understand the know-it-all part of my personality, genetics. Thanks sc, yes learning is good, but behaving like a pompous ass to "teach" is just low brow and intimates a highly insecure personality.
Yes. I will take my ban like a man."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I def won’t attend any sporting events for a long time maybe a few years down the road, just thinking about the two stadiums here in NY one is in the Bronx the other in Queens when do you thing these two boroughs will get an all clear & by whom meaning who would you trust to give the all clear?F Me In The Brain said:
I sure hope not but I think that until we know if this is going to come back in the fall, as some suspect, I don't think there is a way they open stadiums for leagues.PJNB said:
You think sports with fans are done for 12-18 months?F Me In The Brain said:
This isn't going to happen.DewieCox said:Trump/sports commissioners conferfence call. Full arenas and baseball by August, NFL start in September. Didn’t see it mentioned. Seems somewhat reasonable but I think stadium sized crowds could be too much. I like MLB’s idea of playing in empty stadiums in centralized location til we get a handle on how hard it will hit in the fall.
Until they get a vaccine in place no sane leadership will support this
Which means that Trump will leave it up to others to land in the correct spots on this.
Agree about no crowd activities. They could happen.
If it takes 12-18 I think we will have to do it without crowds.
Or, I could see people who recover being ok to be a part of crowds if they show immunity is carrying.
Who knows ....damn this sucks.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
If showing a snapshot of how real life during corona is in another country than yours, is "flame worthy" to you.DewieCox said:
Yep, even if it wasn’t the intent. Posting those pics is flame worthy even if Sweden had no cases.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Nope.DewieCox said:
Every post you’ve made the last few pages.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was not mocking you or the state of Ohio in any way.rgambs said:
I am not playing this game with you, I prefer to retain what respect I have for you, and that will quickly dissolve if you carry on pretending you didn't make that statement with the intent of instigating.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Where exactly lies the "flame bait" in what I wrote?rgambs said:
Hah! You're the one who responded to a calm, measured post with a completely irrelevant flame bait. We all know it's you with the struck nerve, maybe I should make a poll on it lolSpiritual_Chaos said:mickeyrat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!thank you for confirming my opinion of you and in fact lowering it considerably with this irrelevant to the current crisis statement.very ironic considering how superior attitude has been in stating the US or its citizens cant take criticism.so please , do go out daily and interact with your fellow citizens. You know , following your governments lead on this.nicknyr15 said:
IrrelevantSpiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
Sounds like some kind of nerve was struck.rgambs said:
Right-O mate! And we both sent almost a million men to fight the Nazis.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
And both are super duper relevant 👍
Surprised.
I have the guts to admit that my Giesecke posts are friendly mockery, have the guts to own yours as well.
But please, explain where the flame bait lies. Where lies the intention of "instigating"?
Then perheps deal with these feelings of flame worthiness you have, instead of acting out against other posters.
I was just showing a saturday evening in Sweden in april, it being relevant to the thread.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The swedish King will hold a speech to the nation tonight."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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Man, so it seems like Sweden is going to be a control group of sorts. Flies in the face of everything I've read but who knows. Hang in there and thanks, I guess?0
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You posted and then were flamed.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If showing a snapshot of how real life during corona is in another country than yours, is "flame worthy" to you.DewieCox said:
Yep, even if it wasn’t the intent. Posting those pics is flame worthy even if Sweden had no cases.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Nope.DewieCox said:
Every post you’ve made the last few pages.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was not mocking you or the state of Ohio in any way.rgambs said:
I am not playing this game with you, I prefer to retain what respect I have for you, and that will quickly dissolve if you carry on pretending you didn't make that statement with the intent of instigating.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Where exactly lies the "flame bait" in what I wrote?rgambs said:
Hah! You're the one who responded to a calm, measured post with a completely irrelevant flame bait. We all know it's you with the struck nerve, maybe I should make a poll on it lolSpiritual_Chaos said:mickeyrat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!thank you for confirming my opinion of you and in fact lowering it considerably with this irrelevant to the current crisis statement.very ironic considering how superior attitude has been in stating the US or its citizens cant take criticism.so please , do go out daily and interact with your fellow citizens. You know , following your governments lead on this.nicknyr15 said:
IrrelevantSpiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
Sounds like some kind of nerve was struck.rgambs said:
Right-O mate! And we both sent almost a million men to fight the Nazis.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
And both are super duper relevant 👍
Surprised.
I have the guts to admit that my Giesecke posts are friendly mockery, have the guts to own yours as well.
But please, explain where the flame bait lies. Where lies the intention of "instigating"?
Then perheps deal with these feelings of flame worthiness you have, instead of acting out against other posters.
I was just showing a saturday evening in Sweden in april, it being relevant to the thread.Acting out?Trollers gonna troll I guess.You’re either throwing it in peoples’ faces that your country is less affected or you’re throwing caution to the wind despite the advice from the world at large. . Take your pick.0 -
F Me In The Brain said:What if you got and recovered from The Rona - would you go, then?
Not going to any major event until 2021.
Now, if there is a vaccine in the next few months?
Or the numbers drop dramatically?
Nevermind, I am not going to any major event until 2021.
Take me piece by piece.....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....0 -
DewieCox said:
You posted and then were flamed.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If showing a snapshot of how real life during corona is in another country than yours, is "flame worthy" to you.DewieCox said:
Yep, even if it wasn’t the intent. Posting those pics is flame worthy even if Sweden had no cases.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Nope.DewieCox said:
Every post you’ve made the last few pages.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was not mocking you or the state of Ohio in any way.rgambs said:
I am not playing this game with you, I prefer to retain what respect I have for you, and that will quickly dissolve if you carry on pretending you didn't make that statement with the intent of instigating.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Where exactly lies the "flame bait" in what I wrote?rgambs said:
Hah! You're the one who responded to a calm, measured post with a completely irrelevant flame bait. We all know it's you with the struck nerve, maybe I should make a poll on it lolSpiritual_Chaos said:mickeyrat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!thank you for confirming my opinion of you and in fact lowering it considerably with this irrelevant to the current crisis statement.very ironic considering how superior attitude has been in stating the US or its citizens cant take criticism.so please , do go out daily and interact with your fellow citizens. You know , following your governments lead on this.nicknyr15 said:
IrrelevantSpiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
Sounds like some kind of nerve was struck.rgambs said:
Right-O mate! And we both sent almost a million men to fight the Nazis.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
And both are super duper relevant 👍
Surprised.
I have the guts to admit that my Giesecke posts are friendly mockery, have the guts to own yours as well.
But please, explain where the flame bait lies. Where lies the intention of "instigating"?
Then perheps deal with these feelings of flame worthiness you have, instead of acting out against other posters.
I was just showing a saturday evening in Sweden in april, it being relevant to the thread.Acting out?Trollers gonna troll I guess.You’re either throwing it in peoples’ faces that your country is less affected or you’re throwing caution to the wind despite the advice from the world at large. . Take your pick.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was just showing a saturday evening in Sweden in april, it being relevant to the thread."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
I don't see ticketed events happening until the mid-fall at the earliest, probably later. It is probably a low priority in the 'getting back to normalcy' power rankings. It just doesnt seem feasible until there is a vaccine, and by all accounts the vaccine will (hopefully) arrive in 2021 and who knows how long it will take for manufacturing and distribution.F Me In The Brain said:
I sure hope not but I think that until we know if this is going to come back in the fall, as some suspect, I don't think there is a way they open stadiums for leagues.PJNB said:
You think sports with fans are done for 12-18 months?F Me In The Brain said:
This isn't going to happen.DewieCox said:Trump/sports commissioners conferfence call. Full arenas and baseball by August, NFL start in September. Didn’t see it mentioned. Seems somewhat reasonable but I think stadium sized crowds could be too much. I like MLB’s idea of playing in empty stadiums in centralized location til we get a handle on how hard it will hit in the fall.
Until they get a vaccine in place no sane leadership will support this
Which means that Trump will leave it up to others to land in the correct spots on this.
Agree about no crowd activities. They could happen.
If it takes 12-18 I think we will have to do it without crowds.
Or, I could see people who recover being ok to be a part of crowds if they show immunity is carrying.
Who knows ....damn this sucks.
Maybe if someone discovers some way to stop this virus in its tracks and we do not require so many lengthy hospitalizations and the cases overall are not as severe?
If our federal government was coherent, we would have a path ahead. April would be a month of flattening the curve. Curve goes down in May and we roll out mass testing and contact tracing. June-on we could start to carefully roll certain pieces of economy/society back into place.
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hedonist said:This has been going around my head lately...
Regardless of what "leaders" mandate for a particular state, city, country, what have you...is it not considered prudent to avoid gatherings in pubs or similar spaces without being told to do so? Doesn't common sense dictate basic safety measures for yourself, family and friends?
The mindset of some - "well, we haven't been TOLD we need to do X, Y & Z, so I'm taking advantage!" - strikes me as flouting reality for selfish reasons. Just avoid that shit, for fuck's sake.
I so very much agree. Common sense seems to be lacking greatly in some folks and taking the risk to self and others is incomprehensible. I cringe when I see these pictures of people flocking to beaching or hanging together in bars and such.
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It is odd that you are a big believer in science until you aren’t.Spiritual_Chaos said:DewieCox said:
You posted and then were flamed.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If showing a snapshot of how real life during corona is in another country than yours, is "flame worthy" to you.DewieCox said:
Yep, even if it wasn’t the intent. Posting those pics is flame worthy even if Sweden had no cases.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Nope.DewieCox said:
Every post you’ve made the last few pages.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was not mocking you or the state of Ohio in any way.rgambs said:
I am not playing this game with you, I prefer to retain what respect I have for you, and that will quickly dissolve if you carry on pretending you didn't make that statement with the intent of instigating.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Where exactly lies the "flame bait" in what I wrote?rgambs said:
Hah! You're the one who responded to a calm, measured post with a completely irrelevant flame bait. We all know it's you with the struck nerve, maybe I should make a poll on it lolSpiritual_Chaos said:mickeyrat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!thank you for confirming my opinion of you and in fact lowering it considerably with this irrelevant to the current crisis statement.very ironic considering how superior attitude has been in stating the US or its citizens cant take criticism.so please , do go out daily and interact with your fellow citizens. You know , following your governments lead on this.nicknyr15 said:
IrrelevantSpiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
Sounds like some kind of nerve was struck.rgambs said:
Right-O mate! And we both sent almost a million men to fight the Nazis.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
And both are super duper relevant 👍
Surprised.
I have the guts to admit that my Giesecke posts are friendly mockery, have the guts to own yours as well.
But please, explain where the flame bait lies. Where lies the intention of "instigating"?
Then perheps deal with these feelings of flame worthiness you have, instead of acting out against other posters.
I was just showing a saturday evening in Sweden in april, it being relevant to the thread.Acting out?Trollers gonna troll I guess.You’re either throwing it in peoples’ faces that your country is less affected or you’re throwing caution to the wind despite the advice from the world at large. . Take your pick.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was just showing a saturday evening in Sweden in april, it being relevant to the thread.
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Oh, I am:mcgruff10 said:
It is odd that you are a big believer in science until you aren’t.Spiritual_Chaos said:DewieCox said:
You posted and then were flamed.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If showing a snapshot of how real life during corona is in another country than yours, is "flame worthy" to you.DewieCox said:
Yep, even if it wasn’t the intent. Posting those pics is flame worthy even if Sweden had no cases.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Nope.DewieCox said:
Every post you’ve made the last few pages.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was not mocking you or the state of Ohio in any way.rgambs said:
I am not playing this game with you, I prefer to retain what respect I have for you, and that will quickly dissolve if you carry on pretending you didn't make that statement with the intent of instigating.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Where exactly lies the "flame bait" in what I wrote?rgambs said:
Hah! You're the one who responded to a calm, measured post with a completely irrelevant flame bait. We all know it's you with the struck nerve, maybe I should make a poll on it lolSpiritual_Chaos said:mickeyrat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!thank you for confirming my opinion of you and in fact lowering it considerably with this irrelevant to the current crisis statement.very ironic considering how superior attitude has been in stating the US or its citizens cant take criticism.so please , do go out daily and interact with your fellow citizens. You know , following your governments lead on this.nicknyr15 said:
IrrelevantSpiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
Sounds like some kind of nerve was struck.rgambs said:
Right-O mate! And we both sent almost a million men to fight the Nazis.Spiritual_Chaos said:
And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations.rgambs said:I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!
And both are super duper relevant 👍
Surprised.
I have the guts to admit that my Giesecke posts are friendly mockery, have the guts to own yours as well.
But please, explain where the flame bait lies. Where lies the intention of "instigating"?
Then perheps deal with these feelings of flame worthiness you have, instead of acting out against other posters.
I was just showing a saturday evening in Sweden in april, it being relevant to the thread.Acting out?Trollers gonna troll I guess.You’re either throwing it in peoples’ faces that your country is less affected or you’re throwing caution to the wind despite the advice from the world at large. . Take your pick.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I was just showing a saturday evening in Sweden in april, it being relevant to the thread.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The Pied Piper of The Rona!
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So how long can a country stay on total lockdown?hedonist said:This has been going around my head lately...
Regardless of what "leaders" mandate for a particular state, city, country, what have you...is it not considered prudent to avoid gatherings in pubs or similar spaces without being told to do so? Doesn't common sense dictate basic safety measures for yourself, family and friends?
The mindset of some - "well, we haven't been TOLD we need to do X, Y & Z, so I'm taking advantage!" - strikes me as flouting reality for selfish reasons. Just avoid that shit, for fuck's sake.
Sweden's public health authorities opinion about that is "for a limited amount of time", so they do not want to lockdown more than needed until it, according to them, is needed. And instead ask the population to adhere to their recommendations regarding hygiene and social distancing and people over 70 and in a risk group to be cautious etc. So that the health care can cope with it, and focus being on everyone in a riskgroup being protected.
I use common sense regarding this every day. Even when visiting the half-empty local pub supporting it, sitting in a corner with two of my friends - neither being in a risk group or old. Not like I was Joe Biden every girl in the place. Or not washing my hands when I got home. Locking yourself up in a room, not meeting your family or anyone and eating all the toilet paper your have bunkered up last time you dared to leave your room because someone somehow could carry Corona like THE THING isn't all that feasible for everyone either. And for how long?
How long will a total lockdown work, before people start breaking it just because it turns into the new, boring, not feasible normal? And how much will have crashed because of it?
A vaccin won't come for at least 18 months.
Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Sweden has a bad trend going....just like most places. I hope it doesn't continue....good thing precautions are being taken.
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In the words of Johan Giesecke, and I am paraphrasing, "most countries with some outliers (italy, dictatorships like china) will have pretty much the same development and results in the end"F Me In The Brain said:Sweden has a bad trend going....just like most places. I hope it doesn't continue....good thing precautions are being taken."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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