“From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited
human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very
clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission.” [keyword sustained]
“We are in agreement with Chinese authorities who have been clear and
transparent that there is evidence of human-to-human transmission.”
The issue here is people not understanding simple logical concepts, like absence of evidence != evidence of absence.
(I'll also note here that the timeline above doesn't even work out as far as any claim being repeated "for a month")
I understand your evidence of absence. But Isn’t saying there’s no evidence of human to human transfer implying that you believe it doesn’t transfer that way? Seems like you’re splitting hairs here. They wouldn’t make that statement unless they wanted to calm fears and make people think it doesn’t transfer human to human because that’s what they believed. If I were a public official with the whole world looking to me for answers I wouldn’t announce something like “there’s no evidence that suggests this virus doesn’t spread person to person” and then backpedal and say “we’ll I never said there was evidence that says it doesn’t either, so bad on you.” They didn’t think it transferred human to human until the end of January. They didn’t even think masks were helpful until what like a months ago. I was just saying in response to the comment putting down someone because he thought the flu was worse. They got it things wrong was all I was saying. Do you disagree with that? Even in mid-late January dr Fauci was saying this virus was nothing to worry about, I would infer at that time he thought the flu was worse too.
A big difference in my view is that Clay Travis is in the "hot take" business and deliberately says controversial things to drive ratings. I'd like to believe that public health experts aren't making statements based on a political agenda. So if turns out they were wrong, it was an honest mistake. Travis doesn't care if he's wrong as long as people pay attention to him
You got me and I was really depressed when I read the tag. My wife and I still have tickets to a ZZ Top concert in July that hasn’t been cancelled yet that we are hoping doesn’t get cancelled. Once I clicked the link I cursed you and laughed. Then I sent the link to all of my friends.
Honest to God, I don't have a clue. The name sounds vaguely familiar though.
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Rickrolling is a bait-and-switch prank that involves posting a hyperlink that is supposedly relevant to the topic at hand in an online discussion, but re-directs the viewer to the music video of "Never Gonna Give You Up," a 1987 dance pop single by English singer-songwriter Rick Astley. Since May 2007, numerous versions of the music video on YouTube have garnered hundreds of millions, largely driven by the widespread practice of "rickrolling" and subsequent resurgence in popularity of the song over the following decade.
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Rick Astley's dance pop single "Never Gonna Give You Up" was originally released as part of his 1987 solo debut album Whenever You Need Somebody. Upon its initial release, the single became a number one hit on several international charts, including the Billboard Hot 100 and UK Singles Chart[1]. YouTuber Erik Helwig claims to have prank called a Michigan radio station after a sports game and played "Never Gonna Give You Up" over the phone on August 31st, 2006. The story was explained in a YouTube video titled "I Did the First Rickroll (w/ Proof) uploaded on August 7th, 2015 (shown below).
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Zahara de los Atunes, near Cadiz, used tractors to spray more than 2km (1.2 miles) of beach with a bleach solution a day before Spain allowed children out of lockdown for the first time.
Environmentalists say the move caused "brutal damage" to the local ecosystem.
Spain has been badly affected by the coronavirus, with 23,800 deaths.
It recently announced a four-phase plan to lift its stringent lockdown measures and return to a "new normality" by the end of June.
María Dolores Iglesias, who heads an environmental volunteer group in the Cadiz region, said she had visited the beach at Zahara de los Atunes and seen the damage for herself.
She said the bleach "killed everything on the ground, nothing is seen, not even insects".
The beach and its dunes are protected breeding and nesting places for migratory birds and Ms Iglesias said she had seen at least one nest with eggs destroyed by the tractors.
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Local official Agustín Conejo admitted it was "a wrong move".
"I admit that it was a mistake, it was done with the best intention," he said.
Mr Conejo said they had wanted to protect children who were coming to see the sea after six weeks in confinement.
The Andalusian regional government is now considering fining the local authority for its action, El Pais newspaper reports.
Greenpeace in Spain drew a comparison with controversial statements by US President Donald Trump, who suggested that injecting patients with disinfectant might help treat coronavirus.
Great article here. Virus more common but less deadly than expected. Should be able to open up for those healthy and those 45 and under almost anytime.
Why is that a negative? The WHO said for a month it doesn’t spread person to person. We were told until about a month ago don’t bother wearing a mask. Even the top people in the world believe that, so why is that a knock on someone?
Because I think the WHO has also been particularly bad in their leadership. And the masks-don't-work "noble lie" was a bad moment that sows distrust at a time when we need to trust. So if I'm understanding your overall point, I would say that I lump your examples in with Clay Travis as all net negatives.
I am tired of hearing the "they said masks don't work" line. Everybody who follows decent sources and actually reads into things knew all along that the reason was to prevent hoarding of masks because that was the reason given. The fact that they aren't proven to protect from catching was the justification to calm people. It wasn't a "noble lie" it was people with access to information not knowing shit about shit, as usual.
It’s like Pearl Harbor happening everyday if you look back we’ve had over 2k dead everyday for a bit , yet we have an administration that wants everyone to be ok with it unreal!
In an attempt at all fairness and open mindedness, I tried watching the whole video and would have except that it cut off for some reason at 2:07. I recognize the song. Probably heard it in a department store somewhere.
I make a habit of never referring to any music as "bad" music and I certainly won't do that here. But to be honest, I'm feeling the strong need to go listen to something else, STAT!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
It’s like Pearl Harbor happening everyday if you look back we’ve had over 2k dead everyday for a bit , yet we have an administration that wants everyone to be ok with it unreal!
I think a lot of these jokers incorrectly remember the quote as saying, "Give me liberty or give me death, no matter how fucking stupid the decision to take risks may be."
This doesn't mean I don't understand the frustration of being shut down, of not having a business, of having your business doors closed for weeks and now months on end, etc. Pretty much everyone knows my story that way. But I'd rather be without a job and little income than dead. The situation sucks, but being dead or putting ones family, friends and loved ones at risk sucks worse.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Great article here. Virus more common but less deadly than expected. Should be able to open up for those healthy and those 45 and under almost anytime.
Why is that a negative? The WHO said for a month it doesn’t spread person to person. We were told until about a month ago don’t bother wearing a mask. Even the top people in the world believe that, so why is that a knock on someone?
Because I think the WHO has also been particularly bad in their leadership. And the masks-don't-work "noble lie" was a bad moment that sows distrust at a time when we need to trust. So if I'm understanding your overall point, I would say that I lump your examples in with Clay Travis as all net negatives.
I am tired of hearing the "they said masks don't work" line. Everybody who follows decent sources and actually reads into things knew all along that the reason was to prevent hoarding of masks because that was the reason given. The fact that they aren't proven to protect from catching was the justification to calm people. It wasn't a "noble lie" it was people with access to information not knowing shit about shit, as usual.
I don't feel like we're actually that far off so I'm fine to go with your assessment
Great article here. Virus more common but less deadly than expected. Should be able to open up for those healthy and those 45 and under almost anytime.
Why is that a negative? The WHO said for a month it doesn’t spread person to person. We were told until about a month ago don’t bother wearing a mask. Even the top people in the world believe that, so why is that a knock on someone?
Because I think the WHO has also been particularly bad in their leadership. And the masks-don't-work "noble lie" was a bad moment that sows distrust at a time when we need to trust. So if I'm understanding your overall point, I would say that I lump your examples in with Clay Travis as all net negatives.
My point was why mock someone for not understanding covid when no one did for weeks or even months? Not even the smartest doctors in the world. I was one of those it’s just a flu guys because even dr Fauci said we have nothing to worry about. So when the craze hit 2 weeks later I didn’t buy it at first.
Great article here. Virus more common but less deadly than expected. Should be able to open up for those healthy and those 45 and under almost anytime.
Why is that a negative? The WHO said for a month it doesn’t spread person to person. We were told until about a month ago don’t bother wearing a mask. Even the top people in the world believe that, so why is that a knock on someone?
Because I think the WHO has also been particularly bad in their leadership. And the masks-don't-work "noble lie" was a bad moment that sows distrust at a time when we need to trust. So if I'm understanding your overall point, I would say that I lump your examples in with Clay Travis as all net negatives.
I am tired of hearing the "they said masks don't work" line. Everybody who follows decent sources and actually reads into things knew all along that the reason was to prevent hoarding of masks because that was the reason given. The fact that they aren't proven to protect from catching was the justification to calm people. It wasn't a "noble lie" it was people with access to information not knowing shit about shit, as usual.
I don’t think people were calling it a lie, just pointing out they were wrong. I only pointed that out because I see a lot of people calling other people stupid for not believing certain things about the virus.
things change everyday with the information being out out
The public health statistics show that Sweden's R-figure has been below 1.0 since April 21.
- If it is below 1.0, not every person infects another one, which means that the pandemic will gradually ebb, says state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell to SVT News.
Today is the last day of lockdown..the state here said the same, if we keep it under 1.0, we are fine..
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In an attempt at all fairness and open mindedness, I tried watching the whole video and would have except that it cut off for some reason at 2:07. I recognize the song. Probably heard it in a department store somewhere.
I make a habit of never referring to any music as "bad" music and I certainly won't do that here. But to be honest, I'm feeling the strong need to go listen to something else, STAT!
Well I enjoyed it and even danced like a clairvoyant a bit!
The public health statistics show that Sweden's R-figure has been below 1.0 since April 21.
- If it is below 1.0, not every person infects another one, which means that the pandemic will gradually ebb, says state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell to SVT News.
Today is the last day of lockdown..the state here said the same, if we keep it under 1.0, we are fine..
I'd be careful believing any estimated stats are accurate. To assume we have kept R under 1 when this spread from central china to the rest of the planet in a little over a month gives me pause
In an attempt at all fairness and open mindedness, I tried watching the whole video and would have except that it cut off for some reason at 2:07. I recognize the song. Probably heard it in a department store somewhere.
I make a habit of never referring to any music as "bad" music and I certainly won't do that here. But to be honest, I'm feeling the strong need to go listen to something else, STAT!
Former Chief Scientist reveals coronavirus “is going on all around us"
The former Swedish chief epidemiologist Johan Giesecke says he will be “watching with interest” how Australia comes out of lockdown, as he questions the effectiveness of the draconian measures implemented to prevent the spread of the deadly coronavirus.
Great article here. Virus more common but less deadly than expected. Should be able to open up for those healthy and those 45 and under almost anytime.
Why is that a negative? The WHO said for a month it doesn’t spread person to person. We were told until about a month ago don’t bother wearing a mask. Even the top people in the world believe that, so why is that a knock on someone?
Because I think the WHO has also been particularly bad in their leadership. And the masks-don't-work "noble lie" was a bad moment that sows distrust at a time when we need to trust. So if I'm understanding your overall point, I would say that I lump your examples in with Clay Travis as all net negatives.
My point was why mock someone for not understanding covid when no one did for weeks or even months? Not even the smartest doctors in the world. I was one of those it’s just a flu guys because even dr Fauci said we have nothing to worry about. So when the craze hit 2 weeks later I didn’t buy it at first.
In the case of Clay Travis, he's continued to be wrong though. And it's not his background. You could forgive a college football blogger for not understanding it early on, but the post that started the whole thing was him drawing conclusions from a bad study.
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Honest to God, I don't have a clue. The name sounds vaguely familiar though.
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Local official Agustín Conejo admitted it was "a wrong move".
I'm sure everything will go fine.
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Well I enjoyed it and even danced like a clairvoyant a bit!
I'd be careful believing any estimated stats are accurate. To assume we have kept R under 1 when this spread from central china to the rest of the planet in a little over a month gives me pause
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Former Chief Scientist reveals coronavirus “is going on all around us"
The former Swedish chief epidemiologist Johan Giesecke says he will be “watching with interest” how Australia comes out of lockdown, as he questions the effectiveness of the draconian measures implemented to prevent the spread of the deadly coronavirus.