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nicknyr15 said:

Renfield said:

nicknyr15 said:

https://nypost.com/2020/04/05/trump-admin-weighs-legal-action-over-alleged-chinese-hoarding-of-ppe/

Two of my vendors told me this in January. One of them being Ace. They told me all the n95 masks were being held in China. At the time I though they were giving me some corporate, by the book response for not having stock. 

And what about Trump taking N95 masks away from Canada? 

What does that have to what I posted? I’m talking about China 

What do you mean, what does it have to do with it? The situations are almost identical. Trump is attempting to block the sales of masks outside of the country, just as China is alleged to have done. 

In criminal law, compare this to the levels that we have for murder,” said Jenna Ellis, a senior legal adviser to Trump’s re-election campaign.

“People are dying. When you have intentional, cold-blooded premeditated action like you have with China USA, this would be considered first-degree murder.”

Spunkie

I read a CBC article today saying the Whitehouse denies saying they are blocking M3 masks from Canada. The backpaddling sounded like he didn't want price gouging on the items.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/coronavirus-covid-19-1.5522437

3M, one of the country's largest producers of the medical-grade face masks known as N95 respirators, said in a statement Friday it had been told by the White House to stop exporting the equipment to markets in Canada and Latin America — a charge the White House has denied.

Late Friday, the White House issued a statement that suggested the purpose of its order was to target what it called "wartime profiteers" —"unscrupulous brokers, distributors and other intermediaries operating in secondary markets."

Such parties could include "some well-established PPE distributors with the ability to unscrupulously divert PPE inventories from domestic customers, such as hospitals and state governments, to foreign purchasers willing to pay significant premiums."

"Nothing in this order," the statement concludes, "will interfere with the ability of PPE manufacturers to export when doing so is consistent with United States policy and in the national interest of the United States."

Mike D88

That's a meaningless statement.

Spunkie

Ya, maybe? Whitehouse denials sound like a statement though.  

mickeyrat

Csptain Crozier is positive.......

Acting Sec is a fucking chump. "believed he was panicking....."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/05/acting-navy-chief-fired-crozier-panicking-before-trump-might-intervene/

dignin

mickeyrat said:

Csptain Crozier is positive.......

Acting Sec is a fucking chump. "believed he was panicking....."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/05/acting-navy-chief-fired-crozier-panicking-before-trump-might-intervene/

https://mobile.twitter.com/Acyn/status/1246607004572897281

cutz

I guess its because they don't speak English

https://twitter.com/JoelEmbiid/status/1246480282955513858?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.pearljam.com%2Fdiscussion%2F283837%2Fthe-coronavirus%2Fp169

Lerxst1992

Imcgruff10 said:

bbiggs said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

F Me In The Brain said:

PJNB said:

F Me In The Brain said:

DewieCox said:

Trump/sports commissioners conferfence call. Full arenas and baseball  by August, NFL start in September. Didn’t see it mentioned. Seems somewhat reasonable but I think stadium sized crowds could be too much. I like MLB’s idea of playing in empty stadiums in centralized location til we get a handle on how hard it will hit in the fall. 

This isn't going to happen.  
Until they get a vaccine in place no sane leadership will support this 
Which means that Trump will leave it up to others to land in the correct spots on this.

Agree about no crowd activities.  They could happen.

You think sports with fans are done for 12-18 months? 

I sure hope not but I think that until we know if this is going to come back in the fall, as some suspect, I don't think there is a way they open stadiums for leagues.  
If it takes 12-18 I think we will have to do it without crowds.  
Or, I could see people who recover being ok to be a part of crowds if they show immunity is carrying.
Who knows ....damn this sucks.

Myself?

Im not going to any baseball games, concerts, sporting events in general, for a year. They could open up baseball in July or August, offer $1.00 tickets with a free beer and a hot dog, and there is no way in hell I am going. Same for a concert. Pearl Jam can offer FREE tickets, and I still wont go, until we are in 2021.

Just me.

Sporting events and concerts are one thing, but how about something like going to the gym that is a daily part of life for many; myself included.  I likely won’t feel comfortable going to a gym until there’s a vaccine.  That sucks and will likely force me to set something up at home. This virus will change the psyche of so many people on such a large scale. 

Yeah as soon as things get back to normal we are going to cancel our gym membership.  Gonna get a mountain bike and a elliptical for the basement and we should be set.

Was talking to a buddy who's office building has 3000 and takes a commuter train with over 1000 twice a day. Let’s say those 5000 interact with just 10 others each day who all have their own interactions with other people. Without a treatment , I’m not sure how we move forward. Never thought I’d feel less safe than the months after 9/11, especially looking at the smoke billowing from downtown that day, but I do.

dignin

America is Committing Economic Suicide

The American Economy Is About to Die From Coronavirus — Because Nobody Saved It

The first reason the economy is dying is that the stimulus is inadequate because it’s simply far too little. We’re going to do a little math together — don’t get scared, it’s math any grade schooler can handle. How large is the US economy? It’s $20 trillion per year. Of that, about 99% of the number of firms are small businesses. How large is the portion of the stimulus outlined to support businesses, especially small ones? $500 billion. Are you seeing a problem here yet? You should. That’s about just 2.5% of the economy over a year, which means this.

The portion of the stimulus meant to support business is enough to keep the economy going for…just one week. (Sure, we can adjust those numbers up and down. If I assume the 80% of the economy is business, not 100%, the stimulus is enough to keep the economy going for…two weeks. You see the problem, perhaps.) Think about that for a second. Just one week of support, amidst the greatest crisis since the last World War. What the?

https://eand.co/america-is-committing-economic-suicide-c7c1f7122169

RideRick

MayDay10 said:

In 25 days, I havent been anywhere other than stopping into work briefly and buying food 

25 days?  Inside since beginning of March?
We are inside our own houses since 13 March here in the Netherlands.  Reasonable liberty as long as we as the people don't go en masse to parks and beaches or likeso.  Shops are still open.  You can go to homemarkets and supermarkets.  Etc.  Only small shops who can't create enough room.  Still..  it doesn't feel like the Corona is hitting us hard.  But i have to be carefull because i am a possible IC patient.

RideRick

josevolution said:

SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

F Me In The Brain said:

PJNB said:

F Me In The Brain said:

DewieCox said:

Myself?

Im not going to any baseball games, concerts, sporting events in general, for a year. They could open up baseball in July or August, offer $1.00 tickets with a free beer and a hot dog, and there is no way in hell I am going. Same for a concert. Pearl Jam can offer FREE tickets, and I still wont go, until we are in 2021.

Just me.

That’s where I fall no way am I stepping foot in a crowded event..

And what if you and the most of people you know are immune to the virus.  
They need to test everyone as fast and widespread as possible.  Then and only then you know if you are immune or still open for infection.  The numbers say that a lot of people maybe already are immune but due to lack of testing nobody knows...

RideRick

Renfield said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/natashaldaly/status/1246900371706036228?s=20

This takes it to a whole new level of being scared

https://www.cbs42.com/news/national/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-for-covid-19/

Cats already carried a corona virus long before this was known to man.  Not to worry.  It is not proven it can go back to human.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feline_coronavirus

brianlux

dignin said:

America is Committing Economic Suicide

The American Economy Is About to Die From Coronavirus — Because Nobody Saved It

The first reason the economy is dying is that the stimulus is inadequate because it’s simply far too little. We’re going to do a little math together — don’t get scared, it’s math any grade schooler can handle. How large is the US economy? It’s $20 trillion per year. Of that, about 99% of the number of firms are small businesses. How large is the portion of the stimulus outlined to support businesses, especially small ones? $500 billion. Are you seeing a problem here yet? You should. That’s about just 2.5% of the economy over a year, which means this.

The portion of the stimulus meant to support business is enough to keep the economy going for…just one week. (Sure, we can adjust those numbers up and down. If I assume the 80% of the economy is business, not 100%, the stimulus is enough to keep the economy going for…two weeks. You see the problem, perhaps.) Think about that for a second. Just one week of support, amidst the greatest crisis since the last World War. What the?

https://eand.co/america-is-committing-economic-suicide-c7c1f7122169

I often get even more out of these kinds of blogs by reading the responses.  Here's one I'll quote that states my reaction better than I could word it myself this late at night:

"I usually like your pieces and read them in full but near the beginning where you ascribe 99% of the value of the economy to small businesses because they are 99% of the number of firms, I completely stopped, especially once I noticed you were using that to compare to stimulus math and say it was only one week.

You’ve been spending too much time in Bernie world and your math/econ skills are fading fast my friend. How about you adjust for the fact that small business are just that, “small”, and therefore it takes a ridiculous number of them to make up a single MSFT or AMZN or AAPL. I just can’t be bothered to read the rest if you’re going to use lazy math/logic, especially in an effort to deceive."

brianlux

RideRick said:

MayDay10 said:

In 25 days, I havent been anywhere other than stopping into work briefly and buying food 

25 days?  Inside since beginning of March?
We are inside our own houses since 13 March here in the Netherlands.  Reasonable liberty as long as we as the people don't go en masse to parks and beaches or likeso.  Shops are still open.  You can go to homemarkets and supermarkets.  Etc.  Only small shops who can't create enough room.  Still..  it doesn't feel like the Corona is hitting us hard.  But i have to be carefull because i am a possible IC patient.

That's interesting, Rick.  Here in California it is much different.  If my wife's bookstore had isles wide enough to drive a bus through and had only 2 customers a day it would still not be allowed to open.  Only critical infrastructure and essential services are open. 

Spiritual_Chaos

On Monday, former state epidemiologist Johan Giesecke visited the Morning Studio. He believes that the next three weeks will be the most challenging for healthcare in Stockholm.

- It will be worse for the healthcare, much worse. This week, next week and the third week. Then it will turn, Johan Giesecke.


***

Interviewer: But three weeks? This isn't something anyone else has said?

Giesecke: No.

Interviewer: ... why not?

Giesecke: Well, I looked a little bit at the numbers yesterday, and did some thinking.



T H E  K I N G

Spiritual_Chaos

Sweden's state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell believes that the restrictions have helped to curb the spread of infection in countries, but he does not believe that this means that the spread is slowing down for good.

- This infection has surprised us time and time again. I think you should be careful about drawing such conclusions, he tells Dagens Nyheter.

Instead, he believes that the infections can take off - if countries begin to ease restrictions at too fast a rate.

- You can't drop everything at once, because it gets very brittle and can lead to a new peak. You have to find some way to slowly let go of the restrictions and I don't really know how to do it, he tells the newspaper.

When asked if the spread of infection will increase again when curfew is lifted, he answers DN:

- That's the big question, and most experts would probably say that yes, it will.

RideRick

brianlux said:

RideRick said:

That's interesting, Rick.  Here in California it is much different.  If my wife's bookstore had isles wide enough to drive a bus through and had only 2 customers a day it would still not be allowed to open.  Only critical infrastructure and essential services are open. 

Most shops are closed because they cannot guarantee the safety for their co-workers in the shop..  Which is strange. Because shops who sell stuff for Gardens and Home improvement are still open.  And very busy because everybody is working in the garden or at home. Painting walls and stuff.  Big retailers for consumer electronics are also open.
Online is also busy, waiting 2 days extra for delivering cloths or other stuff at home is still.

Intelligent Lockdown is what our Prime-Minister is calling it.

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

RideRick said:

MayDay10 said:

In 25 days, I havent been anywhere other than stopping into work briefly and buying food 

25 days?  Inside since beginning of March?
We are inside our own houses since 13 March here in the Netherlands.  Reasonable liberty as long as we as the people don't go en masse to parks and beaches or likeso.  Shops are still open.  You can go to homemarkets and supermarkets.  Etc.  Only small shops who can't create enough room.  Still..  it doesn't feel like the Corona is hitting us hard.  But i have to be carefull because i am a possible IC patient.

That's interesting, Rick.  Here in California it is much different.  If my wife's bookstore had isles wide enough to drive a bus through and had only 2 customers a day it would still not be allowed to open.  Only critical infrastructure and essential services are open. 

As I posted earlier, it’s city living that will be under economic attack more so than the places in between. If you work in a city you could come in contact with thousands each day and there is no way to control the spread under those conditions until a treatment is developed. And historically (not wanting to make a derisive MSFT comment!) but cities drive the US economy.

S Korea has been a top performing nation for weeks and they are still getting 50 new cases per day. My large employer shut our offices down when NY had only 200 cases, to put that in perspective, and at that time, we had no idea NY would become the epicenter.

mace1229

Spiritual_Chaos said:

rgambs said:

I will be putting together a little comparison on my state, Ohio, and Sweden at some point.
We have roughly equivalent population sizes and are polar opposites on reaction to the pandemic, with Ohio being one of the very earliest to enact strict social distancing measures and Sweden being the very last.
Should be interesting, I wish everyone well!

And we both have had famous cases of the military gunning down our own citizens during demonstrations. 

But did CSNY write a song about both?

MayDay10

RideRick said:

MayDay10 said:

In 25 days, I havent been anywhere other than stopping into work briefly and buying food 

25 days?  Inside since beginning of March?
We are inside our own houses since 13 March here in the Netherlands.  Reasonable liberty as long as we as the people don't go en masse to parks and beaches or likeso.  Shops are still open.  You can go to homemarkets and supermarkets.  Etc.  Only small shops who can't create enough room.  Still..  it doesn't feel like the Corona is hitting us hard.  But i have to be carefull because i am a possible IC patient.

March 11th I got spooked by the incoming storm and circled the wagons a bit.  Started working from home and pulled the kids out of school.  We got our 'official' stay at home orders the following week and implemented on March 22nd.