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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,076
    Can anyone explain how a loose fitting non filtering cloth mask is supposed to help against droplets.  In construction we aren’t allowed to wear loose cloth masks because dust and all manner of things can be breathed in. That’s why there are construction grade respirator masks. So how is a piece of clothing fabric going to save us?
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    It will help you keep your germs to yourself if you can't stay home?
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    Is anyone else seeing the incredible news coming out of Italy? Sorry if already posted but this is amazing to me! 

    "The number of patients in intensive care across Italy's hospitals was 4,068, although that figure is a rise of only 15 on Thursday's number, which 18 more than on Wednesday. In the early stages of the epidemic the number of people being admitted to intensive care rose by hundreds each day."


  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
    static111 said:
    Fucking ouch. The charts in the link are crazy. From WaPo:

    The unemployment numbers are already so bad they no longer fit on the scales we’re used to. To understand them, we need to borrow scales from other types of jobs charts.

    By the second week of March, the United States already registered job losses on par with the worst months of the Great Recession. About 701,000 jobs were confirmed gone, Labor Department data shows. As terrifying as that sounds, that number portrays the calm before the storm. In the final two weeks of March, after those measurements were taken, separate Labor Department releases show nearly 10 million (9,955,000) Americans filed for unemployment benefits.

    We’ve never seen anything resembling that level of pain before. Back-of-the-envelope math shows there are more unemployed people in the country right now than at the Great Recession’s apex.

    The previous all-time high for one week was 695,000 jobless claims in 1982. In the week tracked by Friday’s jobs numbers, the week ending March 14, there were 282,000 claims. The following week? It was 3.3 million. By last week, it was at 6.6 million. (These numbers are adjusted for seasonal variation, so that we can make historical comparisons).

    Jobless claims are the only government data that comes close to keeping pace with the speed of the crisis. The unemployment-insurance system is at the heart of the government’s response to the pandemic, so it’s fitting that it’s the leading edge of its data.

    But, like the system itself, the data has been flooded beyond recognition. It no longer makes sense to look at it in the context of previous unemployment-claims filings. We need to bring in other labor market numbers. In the chart below, we compare it with a few touchstones.

    Greater than the Great Recession

    From January 2008 to February 2010, the economy lost 8,705,000 jobs. The losses in that two-year period, among the most dismal in U.S. history, were likely eclipsed in the two weeks at the end of March.

    Greater than the Trump boom

    From November 2016 to February 2020, the economy added about 7,275,000 jobs. It’s a job-creation record that Trump highlighted early and often, despite it being at roughly the same pace as his predecessor’s second term. Unemployment claims numbers indicate job creation is likely already in negative territory.

    Greater than New York

    But it’s hard to grasp abstract milestones like those above, so we also compared the late-March losses to local labor markets.

    If laid-off Americans were their own state right now, they’d be the third-largest, behind California (17.61 million) and Texas (13.02 million) and right ahead of New York (9.85 million). They outnumber workers in the 16 least-populated states combined.

    Yes, but

    Unemployment claims at this level are an enormous strain on the system and an unprecedented disruption for millions of U.S. businesses and households, but it’s also the system working as intended.

    The new stimulus package signed into law last week, the CARES Act, made more people eligible for unemployment insurance and dramatically ramped up benefits to help workers and businesses survive a prolonged period of distancing. The goal of the bailout should be to keep as many workers whole as possible for as long as they’re home and stop the spread of the novel coronavirus, as University of Massachusetts at Amherst economist Arindrajit Dube points out on Twitter.

    In normal times, an elevated unemployment claims number could be an early sign of trouble. This time, an excruciatingly high number means the system is beginning to help millions of people. But it nevertheless means pain and disruption for millions of Americans and their employers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/03/understanding-march-job-report/
    Post this somewhere else too, this is huge.

    Why isn't the billing on "pause"?  The country is.

    All bills should be put on hold. Next 90 days no payments no interest.

    That 1.3 trillion they spent on stimulus could have went to keeping the lights on in peoples houses and food being brought in.

    Just a thought.
    This is what I was worried about from the beginning. Unfortunately you have the American fairy tale of it’s your fault if you didn’t succeed enough to be ready for this pandemic to contend with.  The creditors and banks still want their obligations paid in full, though there are some exceptions.  Why the economy isn’t on a hard pause is astounding?  I guess some people need to make their dividends and keep up that unhealthy economic growth that was built on a house of cards on top of a shell game.
    My neighbor works in the property finance department  for one of the big banks. I asked him about home foreclosures with the downturn. His response is that they do not want to be holding foreclosed properties, at all costs if possible. He said his bank was working on plans to help folks stay in their homes, and off of their books.

    i guess if you are/or may have issues with payments, talk to your lenders.
  • mickeyrat
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  • Smellyman
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,407
    I'm not sure where to put this article so I'm dropping it here because it is a direct result of the pandemic. It's painful to see so much food go to waste at a time like this. I can't believe there aren't other options where they could at least find a way to save some production. This just further confirms my disgust for the dairy industry.

    "It's just gut-wrenching," said Leedle, 36, as he stood inside his barn, with cows lowing softly as the animals were giving milk that would be funneled directly into a manure pit. "All I can see is that line going down the drain."

    Leedle has dumped 4,700 gallons of milk from his 480 cows each day since Tuesday. The 7,500-member DFA told Reuters it has asked some other farmers in the cooperative to do the same but did not say how many.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-dairy-insight-idUSKBN21L1DW
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    tish said:
    ^Yes. I think a natural reaction to being denied imports from our neighbouring country inspires fear as to what else we will be unable to procure.

    As far as the water goes, when they need it, they will bloody take it. 
    I do not know where you live in Canada but here in Ontario manufacturers are converting and re-tooling and will be supplying our needs in Ontario...
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Fuck this virus.  Just fuck it.
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,966
    The state in the time of covid-19
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  • 23scidoo
    23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,966
    @Spiritual_Chaos, i haven't get it yet, are you agree or not with the Swedish policy about the virus??
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,853
    Pretty good, thorough article on everything past, present, and future

    https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-out-of-many-one-36b886af37e9
  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,236
    Smellyman said:
    That was interesting because I certainly don't recall that scandal. I'm a cyclist and I believe whenever one is riding on roads or trails you ARE SUPPOSE to wear a helmet to protect the brain in your head. Maybe the panelists don't have a brain.

    It must have been a slow week on Fox.

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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,870
    static111 said:
    Can anyone explain how a loose fitting non filtering cloth mask is supposed to help against droplets.  In construction we aren’t allowed to wear loose cloth masks because dust and all manner of things can be breathed in. That’s why there are construction grade respirator masks. So how is a piece of clothing fabric going to save us?


    You misunderstand the purpose of wearing a mask

    It has nothing to do with saving you or helping what you breath in . It might do a little to help you but that is not the reason for wearing a cloth mask. It is suggested to be worn to minimize the risk you are, especially if you are asymptomatically infected, from killing others. It will reduce your spray field that could infect others. I am guessing the amenity crowd ain’t too fond of that truth.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,870
    edited April 2020
    brianlux said:
    Fuck this virus.  Just fuck it.

    More than that Mr. Brian, are the “it’s not that big of a deal” crowd who still do not understand the dangers of a highly contagious asymptomatic disease.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,870
    PJNB said:
    Is anyone else seeing the incredible news coming out of Italy? Sorry if already posted but this is amazing to me! 

    "The number of patients in intensive care across Italy's hospitals was 4,068, although that figure is a rise of only 15 on Thursday's number, which 18 more than on Wednesday. In the early stages of the epidemic the number of people being admitted to intensive care rose by hundreds each day."



    It is encouraging but the only thing possibly saving us is social distancing. Once we get back to normal socializing, how do we stop this from re-emerging?

    We are in desperate need of a treatment.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,870
    23scidoo said:
    The state in the time of covid-19


    Without big government, we would be powerless from preventing infections among the majority of our species.
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    edited April 2020
    tbergs said:
    I'm not sure where to put this article so I'm dropping it here because it is a direct result of the pandemic. It's painful to see so much food go to waste at a time like this. I can't believe there aren't other options where they could at least find a way to save some production. This just further confirms my disgust for the dairy industry.

    "It's just gut-wrenching," said Leedle, 36, as he stood inside his barn, with cows lowing softly as the animals were giving milk that would be funneled directly into a manure pit. "All I can see is that line going down the drain."

    Leedle has dumped 4,700 gallons of milk from his 480 cows each day since Tuesday. The 7,500-member DFA told Reuters it has asked some other farmers in the cooperative to do the same but did not say how many.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-dairy-insight-idUSKBN21L1DW

    Thank you for sharing the article. This (below) just further confirms my disgust with the entire Standard American Diet and the amount of money people waste with their demand for unhealthy, mass-produced food that has now put many of them in a "high-risk" category for this disease. And yet I'm sure when all this is over, people will go back to doing what they do best -- eating crap, wasting money and FOOD. Before this pandemic, about 40% of the nation's food supply already went into the dumpster. Wasting food is nothing new in America: 
     
    About half of U.S. consumers’ food budget was spent on restaurants, and we’ve shut that spigot off,” said Matt Gould, editor at trade publication Dairy & Food Market Analysis.
    Post edited by what dreams on
  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,032
    edited April 2020
    tbergs said:
    I'm not sure where to put this article so I'm dropping it here because it is a direct result of the pandemic. It's painful to see so much food go to waste at a time like this. I can't believe there aren't other options where they could at least find a way to save some production. This just further confirms my disgust for the dairy industry.

    "It's just gut-wrenching," said Leedle, 36, as he stood inside his barn, with cows lowing softly as the animals were giving milk that would be funneled directly into a manure pit. "All I can see is that line going down the drain."

    Leedle has dumped 4,700 gallons of milk from his 480 cows each day since Tuesday. The 7,500-member DFA told Reuters it has asked some other farmers in the cooperative to do the same but did not say how many.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-dairy-insight-idUSKBN21L1DW

    That was interesting and scary, to read, thanks.
    The ripple effect is pretty mind blowing.
    Post edited by RunIntoTheRain on
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