I knew these vaccines would be discovered and approved way earlier than 12-18 months. That was just talking normal vaccines in an abnormal world.
What normal vaccines take 12-18 months to develop? I _believe_ Giesecke said that 18 months would pretty much be a world record in getting a vaccine out. I'm no vaccine expert, what normal vaccines take 12-18 months?
I was using the wording that was said and written at the beginning of this by medical professionals. 12-18 months.
I saw that too. I thought the Gilead study had failed and it was going back to the drawing board. Their stock surged then tanked in the course of a week.
I saw that too. I thought the Gilead study had failed and it was going back to the drawing board. Their stock surged then tanked in the course of a week.
I saw that too. I thought the Gilead study had failed and it was going back to the drawing board. Their stock surged then tanked in the course of a week.
Their study in China ended early because of low enrollment. So naturally the WHO accidentally posted results on their website before quickly taking them down. Their ineptitude continues.
I saw that too. I thought the Gilead study had failed and it was going back to the drawing board. Their stock surged then tanked in the course of a week.
Their study in China ended early because of low enrollment. So naturally the WHO accidentally posted results on their website before quickly taking them down. Their ineptitude continues.
As a side note, for those following remdesivir trials, there are several going on at once. It can get confusing so check which is which. The one being discussed today is big because it is a double-blind, placebo-controlled study, so we'll be able to get a good look at efficacy data. There's a previous one (I think Univ of Chicago?) that only looked at comparing a 5-day course of therapy to 10. Each one can tell you a little something different.
When the WHO today held its press conference, the question was raised about the Swedish model and World Health Organization Director General Mike Ryan highlighted it as a possible future strategy for other countries.
- I think if we are to get back to a normal state, Sweden could be a future model. If we want communities without closures, then societies around the world may have to adapt to a different physical and social distance for longer periods. It means changes in how we live our lives and in Sweden they investigate how this works in real time, he says and continues:
- There may be things we others can learn from our colleagues in Sweden. At the same time, I would like to emphasize that Sweden has not avoided controlling covid-19, but it has done so in a very strong way throughout society. What is different is that they trust their residents to implement the physical distance, now it remains to be seen if it has succeeded, says Mike Ryan.
Mike Ryan also pointed out the high death rates Sweden has had in nursing homes and elderly homes.
- It is tragically enough an experience similar to many other countries in Europe and something we all need to look into, how we best protect our elderly.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I've actually read that article, have you? The conclusion isn't as binary as you are painting it out to be. Or what you would believe from just reading the headline or just looking at the pictures.
I don't see how it disputes WHO Ryan's "data free" opinion.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:
- We have not closed down our schools. - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. - We have not closed our borders - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.
Etc.
(if your question was honest, and not sarcastic)
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:
- We have not closed down our schools. - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. - We have not closed our borders - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.
Etc.
(if your question was honest, and not sarcastic)
Yes I know that: 1. You're Swedish so you understandably like to discuss Sweden. Although you're not a member of Kiss, yet that seems to be discussed more. 2. I am interested in the Swedish model as that gives us an interesting test against the 'control' of social distancing and shelter orders. 3. However, the amount of posts seem disproportionate
I checked out of this thread for about 2k posts and then came back. I was all Corona, all the time at work for about a month so the last thing I wanted was leisure reading to be about the same. But we're now ramping business back up so I thought I'd come back on, and it's dominated by Sweden. I was trying to see if something new was afoot, but it seems like BAU around here. Carry on.
BTW - I know you were worried about your mother early on. Is she (and other vulnerable members of society) generally practicing social distancing like other countries?
We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:
- We have not closed down our schools. - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. - We have not closed our borders - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.
Etc.
(if your question was honest, and not sarcastic)
All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.
look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:
- We have not closed down our schools. - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. - We have not closed our borders - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.
Etc.
(if your question was honest, and not sarcastic)
All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.
look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
When did I pretend to be a tortured soul exactly?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:
- We have not closed down our schools. - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. - We have not closed our borders - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.
Etc.
(if your question was honest, and not sarcastic)
All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.
look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:
- We have not closed down our schools. - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. - We have not closed our borders - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.
Etc.
(if your question was honest, and not sarcastic)
All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.
look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
When did I pretend to be a tortured soul exactly?
Yesterday....in this thread.
?
I just answered mrussels question. And he seemed okey with the answer given.
I don't see the reason for your weird reaction, and lashing out at me.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
We are seen as an outlier in the handling of this pandemic, mainly because:
- We have not closed down our schools. - We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants. - We have not closed our borders - We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks - There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.
Etc.
(if your question was honest, and not sarcastic)
All that and because your fatalities per capita are currently higher.
look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
When did I pretend to be a tortured soul exactly?
Yesterday....in this thread.
?
I just answered mrussels question. And he seemed okey with the answer given.
I don't see the reason for your weird reaction, and lashing out at me.
Trump says "distancing will fade out as deaths pass 60,000." More deaths, less distancing. Can somebody please explain the logic here?
Presumably the rate of deaths per day is going down enough that (they think) it's safe to ease restrictions, even though the aggregate number will always go up
The infected people who received remdesivir, an experimental drug made by Gilead Sciences that cripples an enzyme several viruses use to copy their RNA, recovered in an average of 11 days versus 15 in patients who received a placebo. ...The patients treated with remdesivir also had a lower mortality rate—8% versus 11.6% in the group given the placebo—but this positive trend did not reach statistical significance, Fauci noted.
...
Fauci says the board is releasing the overall results early in
part on ethical grounds: Given the positive data, remdesivir must now be
offered to all study participants, and trials of other treatments now
underway must start offering the drug instead of a placebo, Fauci said.
The search for COVID-19 treatments that can do better than remdesivir remains a top priority.
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Everybody getting psyched to take the family down to Orlando? Airfare is cheap, planes are empty, what are you waiting for? Go on now, jump start the economy and OAA!
Everybody getting psyched to take the family down to Orlando? Airfare is cheap, planes are empty, what are you waiting for? Go on now, jump start the economy and OAA!
You and I should get adjoining rooms at the Polynesian!! I know I have five kids but it will be fun. Bro you and I chilling on “it s a small world!” I ll buy the alcohol and you buy the range time.
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https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/29/gilead-says-critical-study-of-covid-19-drug-shows-patients-are-responding-to-treatment/?utm_campaign=breaking_news&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=87139697&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8D6sCosT8QH0ZQbkIO5iXTcK4A0VztDwsZeSAcMn6iEnaUe5_cbDkoEpg4zf7ydHhYQIvgXaC_CFsjW5JmybP9VcuZnQ&_hsmi=87139697
Kushner predicts much of the country will be 'back to normal' in June. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495212-kushner-predicts-much-of-the-country-will-be-back-to-normal-in-june
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/who-gilead-coronavirus-drug-204749
When the WHO today held its press conference, the question was raised about the Swedish model and World Health Organization Director General Mike Ryan highlighted it as a possible future strategy for other countries.
Cause remember:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-lockdown-strategy-intl/index.html
I don't see how it disputes WHO Ryan's "data free" opinion.
- We have not closed down our schools.
- We have not closed our stores, pubs or restaurants.
- We have not closed our borders
- We are not being forced or asked to wear facemasks
- There has not been an ordered lockdown, but instead we are asked to limit our social contacts, to wash our hands, to stay home from work with any symptoms (paid sickleave from the government from the first day), limit our travel, to work from home if possible, to not gather in groups of bigger than 50 people.
Etc.
(if your question was honest, and not sarcastic)
1. You're Swedish so you understandably like to discuss Sweden. Although you're not a member of Kiss, yet that seems to be discussed more.
2. I am interested in the Swedish model as that gives us an interesting test against the 'control' of social distancing and shelter orders.
3. However, the amount of posts seem disproportionate
I checked out of this thread for about 2k posts and then came back. I was all Corona, all the time at work for about a month so the last thing I wanted was leisure reading to be about the same. But we're now ramping business back up so I thought I'd come back on, and it's dominated by Sweden. I was trying to see if something new was afoot, but it seems like BAU around here. Carry on.
BTW - I know you were worried about your mother early on. Is she (and other vulnerable members of society) generally practicing social distancing like other countries?
look you are the one with the fucking stupid “redeemed” gif after an opinion article. I’ve already said we don’t yet know which path will be judged the best. But don’t pretend to be some tortured soul here.
I just answered mrussels question. And he seemed okey with the answer given.
I don't see the reason for your weird reaction, and lashing out at me.
This is what a lot of States will be dealing with sadly if and when we get a vaccine.
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