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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    mrussel1 said:
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    haha, yeah, this definitely isn't the same as altitude sickness. Although the first and only time I took my wife skiing (A Basin) she got the sickness and it blew up the whole weekend.  Totally sucked.  My ski trips after that were friends only, she had no interest.  
    I always wanted to ride in Colorado, such a beautiful state.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    Yet another theory (which I like!)

    New Oxford study suggests millions of people may have already built up coronavirus immunity

    A model predicting the progression of the novel coronavirus pandemic produced by researchers at Imperial College London set off alarms across the world and was a major factor in several governments' decisions to lock things down. But a new model from Oxford University is challenging its accuracy, the Financial Times reports.

    The Oxford research suggests the pandemic is in a later stage than previously thought and estimates the virus has already infected at least millions of people worldwide. In the United Kingdom, which the study focuses on, half the population would have already been infected. If accurate, that would mean transmission began around mid-January and the vast majority of cases presented mild or no symptoms.

    The head of the study, professor Sunetra Gupta, an Oxford theoretical epidemiologist, said she still supports the U.K.'s decision to shut down the country to suppress the virus even if her research winds up being proven correct. But she also doesn't appear to be a big fan of the work done by the Imperial College team. "I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model," she said.

    If her work is accurate, that would likely mean a large swath of the population has built up resistance to the virus. Theoretically, then, social restrictions could ease sooner than anticipated. What needs to be done now, Gupta said, is a whole lot of antibody testing to figure out who may have contracted the virus. Her research team is working with groups from the University of Cambridge and the University of Kent to start those tests for the general population as quickly as possible. Read more at the Financial Times.

    This would be great... I just refreshed this page from this morning and the US numbers went up by 10k and the deaths by 200.  

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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    F Me In The Brain said:
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    Yeah, I am not trying to argue with you -- more-so trying to understand the plan.  I didn't read it all yet, which I will.
    As a business leader I do know that you don't get to quit and then automatically get unemployment. 
    I still would not think there is any reason to pay anyone more than what they made if their job was lost as a result of The Rona.
    We can agree to disagree on that note, but I don't think it makes me hate poor people.  I have a few poor people in my family and I (for the most part) love them more than the people with money.
    Didn’t think you were arguing just making my points.  I too agree that it’s not ideal that some people would get more than they make, but I just don’t see now being the time to make the argument against a temporary 4 month emergency measure.  I think people are really downplaying how desperate things could get in a couple of months when people aren’t getting money and the bills are still due. People are already overworked and desperate. I’m fortunate that we have enough saved up for a couple months if there is no help but millions aren’t so fortunate. It would be foolish not to help as many as possible at the expense of some recovering a very small temporary gain. If ever there was a time for the government to bailout anyone it is now and it should be citizens first.

    As a leader of business I hope you are doing right by your employees at this time. Given that you are a pj fan on a pj board I’m sure you are.
    Scio me nihil scire

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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    mrussel1 said:
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    This would be great... I just refreshed this page from this morning and the US numbers went up by 10k and the deaths by 200.  

    https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
    Holy shit.  wow.  Just found this article on how it spread in Italy.  Austria was beer pong, italy futbol.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/game-zero-soccer-game-attended-182603718.html

    'Game Zero?' Soccer Game Attended by 40,000 Fans Likely Made This Italian City a Coronavirus Epicenter

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Posts: 19,295
    Anyone that hasn't listened to the new PJ song needs to unplug their brain from this topic and immediately go listen to it.  It's a banger!
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Posts: 30,879
    static111 said:
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    Didn’t think you were arguing just making my points.  I too agree that it’s not ideal that some people would get more than they make, but I just don’t see now being the time to make the argument against a temporary 4 month emergency measure.  I think people are really downplaying how desperate things could get in a couple of months when people aren’t getting money and the bills are still due. People are already overworked and desperate. I’m fortunate that we have enough saved up for a couple months if there is no help but millions aren’t so fortunate. It would be foolish not to help as many as possible at the expense of some recovering a very small temporary gain. If ever there was a time for the government to bailout anyone it is now and it should be citizens first.

    As a leader of business I hope you are doing right by your employees at this time. Given that you are a pj fan on a pj board I’m sure you are.
    We outsource some lower effort work to third parties, but we're pulling that back.  So while we're doing right by our people, the net effect is that we're hurting a different company.  Unfortunately, there's nothing we can really do to avoid that.  The situation is going to become very dire in the next month when mortgages, car payments and other things come due.  

    I know most don't pay attention to this, but the OCC has issued guidance to the nationally chartered banks that they can pull what is known as "bucket 1" collections back to current, waive fees and interest.  It's called TDR (troubled debt restructuring).  This is a big deal.  Most people think banks can just waive fees, interest, not charge off accounts, etc.  But that's not true.  The OCC are the ones that provide direction and legal approval for these actions.  They are responsible for the financial solvency of banks.  This is a big step and doesn't happen often.  
  • Posts: 6,964
    Jason P said:
    Anyone that hasn't listened to the new PJ song needs to unplug their brain from this topic and immediately go listen to it.  It's a banger!
    Yes sir! Gave it 3 listens already. 
  • this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,808
    static111 said:
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    Didn’t think you were arguing just making my points.  I too agree that it’s not ideal that some people would get more than they make, but I just don’t see now being the time to make the argument against a temporary 4 month emergency measure.  I think people are really downplaying how desperate things could get in a couple of months when people aren’t getting money and the bills are still due. People are already overworked and desperate. I’m fortunate that we have enough saved up for a couple months if there is no help but millions aren’t so fortunate. It would be foolish not to help as many as possible at the expense of some recovering a very small temporary gain. If ever there was a time for the government to bailout anyone it is now and it should be citizens first.

    As a leader of business I hope you are doing right by your employees at this time. Given that you are a pj fan on a pj board I’m sure you are.
    We have had to lay off a percentage, but they were temps.  No perm folks laid off yet and my CEO is doing everything he can to give us some stick.  Being a private business it is very risky for him, but we continue.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Posts: 10,525
    mcgruff10 said:
    Yet another theory (which I like!)

    New Oxford study suggests millions of people may have already built up coronavirus immunity

    A model predicting the progression of the novel coronavirus pandemic produced by researchers at Imperial College London set off alarms across the world and was a major factor in several governments' decisions to lock things down. But a new model from Oxford University is challenging its accuracy, the Financial Times reports.

    The Oxford research suggests the pandemic is in a later stage than previously thought and estimates the virus has already infected at least millions of people worldwide. In the United Kingdom, which the study focuses on, half the population would have already been infected. If accurate, that would mean transmission began around mid-January and the vast majority of cases presented mild or no symptoms.

    The head of the study, professor Sunetra Gupta, an Oxford theoretical epidemiologist, said she still supports the U.K.'s decision to shut down the country to suppress the virus even if her research winds up being proven correct. But she also doesn't appear to be a big fan of the work done by the Imperial College team. "I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model," she said.

    If her work is accurate, that would likely mean a large swath of the population has built up resistance to the virus. Theoretically, then, social restrictions could ease sooner than anticipated. What needs to be done now, Gupta said, is a whole lot of antibody testing to figure out who may have contracted the virus. Her research team is working with groups from the University of Cambridge and the University of Kent to start those tests for the general population as quickly as possible. Read more at the Financial Times.

    Would this potentially explain why some people have tested positive but never present with systems? That they have already been through it and maybe just thought it was the flu?
  • Posts: 9,478

    13 Deaths in a Day: An ‘Apocalyptic’ Coronavirus Surge at an N.Y.C. Hospital

    Hospitals in the city are facing the kind of harrowing increases in cases that overwhelmed health care systems in China and Italy.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-hospitals.html
  • New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    pjl44 said:
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    Would this potentially explain why some people have tested positive but never present with systems? That they have already been through it and maybe just thought it was the flu?
    That s what I was thinking after I read it.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    wndowpayne said:
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    Pretty sure that is what they just said in the conference..and loans will be forgiven as long as kept as employeess
    Right, then why send checks to 90% of the country? 
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  • Posts: 30,879
    cincybearcat said:
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    Right, then why send checks to 90% of the country? 
    My understanding is that the loan guarantees are targeting small businesses.  Medium to larger businesses will also be cutting expenses.  
  • Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    I had all the exact symptoms that they're describing the last week of February (thought nothing of it)  and that lasted 3 days.   So I don't know if I had it or not?  I continued  life as normal as if it was a cold.  So I don't know if I had it or not?
    How many millions have already had it?  And have buit up an immunity herd immunity already??
    Herd immunity possibly is the best remedy outside of drinking a case of Corona with a lime please =) because then the the virus has no place to land??
  • Posts: 31,576
    Jason P said:
    Anyone that hasn't listened to the new PJ song needs to unplug their brain from this topic and immediately go listen to it.  It's a banger!
    I wish I could just unplug and just enjoy music I really do I listened to the new song once but I can’t enjoy it, living here in NY and working in hospital has fucked my mind up, I’m a mess just trying not to lose it...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    Man, I feel for you^^^ jose^^^ and NY at this time.


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    cutz said:



    Typical Canadians.  
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    static111 said:
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    World War Two was a literal war with people bombing and shooting and gassing each other for 6 years and a day with an estimated total death toll of 75-80 million worldwide.  This is bad but not that bad. I agree and sympathize with you that some are more at risk of this disease than others and people need all the help they can get.  It is unrealistic to think anyone including the head Buffoon in charge can magic 30,000 ventilators into existence because there is an immediate need.  I also agree with you that more can and should be done.  Yes the war powers should be used, but I imagine retooling an entire manufacturer to make sterile ventilators would also take some time. There are no quick fixes...but now I know a lot more about the ventilator situation

    i also agree corporations should have been an after thought. Priorities should be

    healthcare
    economic assistance for those in need
    economic assistance to failing business
    and then maybe waaaaaaayyyyyy back there corporations and the stock market


    I thought I said parameters strictly dealing with US fatalities and how the US responds to a deadly crisis. US fatalities were about 400,000 in WWII. I did not insinuate we are at war. The comparison is to the most recent lethal crisis where immediate production needed to ramp up. 

    the federal govt is the resource of last resort, and are best equipped to get the specialized ventilator production industry to ramp up production, add second shifts, fortify it’s supply chain, etc. This should have occurred three weeks ago.


  • Posts: 31,576
    cutz said:
    Man, I feel for you^^^ jose^^^ and NY at this time.


    It’s a fucked up situation , Elmhurst hospital which is only a few mikes from the hospital I work in had 13 deaths yesterday this is just the beginning of the darkness to come over this whole state! My wife who’s at home will start to look at rentals way upstate if shit gets really really bad we’re thinking of packing up and just moving up to the mountains for a few months..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    josevolution said:
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    It’s a fucked up situation , Elmhurst hospital which is only a few mikes from the hospital I work in had 13 deaths yesterday this is just the beginning of the darkness to come over this whole state! My wife who’s at home will start to look at rentals way upstate if shit gets really really bad we’re thinking of packing up and just moving up to the mountains for a few months..

    You are a warrior man. That’s what I called the excellent nurses who cared for my daughter last week. Hang tough, JE.
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