The coronavirus
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mrussel1 said:mcgruff10 said:mrussel1 said:bbiggs said:Reading some of the stories coming out of New York. It is a very scary situation there. The hospitals are starting to see what Italy has been seeing. This write up had a doctor explaining that she had to do chest compressions on 3 people; one in 80’s, one in 60’s and a 38 year old. All died from cardiac arrest. I wonder what it is that is causing cardiac arrest in some patients, being that it is a respiratory disease. Does the lack of oxygen have the potential to bring on cardiac arrest?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mcgruff10 said:Yet another theory (which I like!)
New Oxford study suggests millions of people may have already built up coronavirus immunity
A model predicting the progression of the novel coronavirus pandemic produced by researchers at Imperial College London set off alarms across the world and was a major factor in several governments' decisions to lock things down. But a new model from Oxford University is challenging its accuracy, the Financial Times reports.
The Oxford research suggests the pandemic is in a later stage than previously thought and estimates the virus has already infected at least millions of people worldwide. In the United Kingdom, which the study focuses on, half the population would have already been infected. If accurate, that would mean transmission began around mid-January and the vast majority of cases presented mild or no symptoms.
The head of the study, professor Sunetra Gupta, an Oxford theoretical epidemiologist, said she still supports the U.K.'s decision to shut down the country to suppress the virus even if her research winds up being proven correct. But she also doesn't appear to be a big fan of the work done by the Imperial College team. "I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model," she said.
If her work is accurate, that would likely mean a large swath of the population has built up resistance to the virus. Theoretically, then, social restrictions could ease sooner than anticipated. What needs to be done now, Gupta said, is a whole lot of antibody testing to figure out who may have contracted the virus. Her research team is working with groups from the University of Cambridge and the University of Kent to start those tests for the general population as quickly as possible. Read more at the Financial Times.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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F Me In The Brain said:static111 said:F Me In The Brain said:static111 said:mickeyrat said:static111 said:mcgruff10 said:tbergs said:tempo_n_groove said:static111 said:tempo_n_groove said:Hi! said:F Me In The Brain said:wndowpayne said:If I heard correctly it even covers payroll for 4 months up to 100k per employee? is that right?Is there a link to this? I didn't see that listed in the stories I read but people are citing some specifics that would suggest the text of the bill is out there for review.Can someone share, if so?
Living in NY I get the short end of the stick a lot...I thought this guy was attached to the end of Trump's unit.If Trump wants it, he will vote for it.From a conceptual level I don't see how you could argue with his point. Unemployment should not pay someone more than they make before they lose their job.They write these fucking things so that they are tough to understand but I do not see that in the bill text that I have read so far. If that is a part of the bill I agree with Lindsey Asswipe. Having never had to go on it (yet, early in these days of crisis, I could find out soon enough I guess) I do not know how it works.How would it be a statement that someone hates poor people to say that their unemployment if they lost their job due to The Rona should not pay them more than they made?Yeah, I am not trying to argue with you -- more-so trying to understand the plan. I didn't read it all yet, which I will.As a business leader I do know that you don't get to quit and then automatically get unemployment.I still would not think there is any reason to pay anyone more than what they made if their job was lost as a result of The Rona.We can agree to disagree on that note, but I don't think it makes me hate poor people. I have a few poor people in my family and I (for the most part) love them more than the people with money.
As a leader of business I hope you are doing right by your employees at this time. Given that you are a pj fan on a pj board I’m sure you are.Scio me nihil scire
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mrussel1 said:mcgruff10 said:Yet another theory (which I like!)
New Oxford study suggests millions of people may have already built up coronavirus immunity
A model predicting the progression of the novel coronavirus pandemic produced by researchers at Imperial College London set off alarms across the world and was a major factor in several governments' decisions to lock things down. But a new model from Oxford University is challenging its accuracy, the Financial Times reports.
The Oxford research suggests the pandemic is in a later stage than previously thought and estimates the virus has already infected at least millions of people worldwide. In the United Kingdom, which the study focuses on, half the population would have already been infected. If accurate, that would mean transmission began around mid-January and the vast majority of cases presented mild or no symptoms.
The head of the study, professor Sunetra Gupta, an Oxford theoretical epidemiologist, said she still supports the U.K.'s decision to shut down the country to suppress the virus even if her research winds up being proven correct. But she also doesn't appear to be a big fan of the work done by the Imperial College team. "I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model," she said.
If her work is accurate, that would likely mean a large swath of the population has built up resistance to the virus. Theoretically, then, social restrictions could ease sooner than anticipated. What needs to be done now, Gupta said, is a whole lot of antibody testing to figure out who may have contracted the virus. Her research team is working with groups from the University of Cambridge and the University of Kent to start those tests for the general population as quickly as possible. Read more at the Financial Times.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
https://www.yahoo.com/news/game-zero-soccer-game-attended-182603718.html'Game Zero?' Soccer Game Attended by 40,000 Fans Likely Made This Italian City a Coronavirus Epicenter
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Anyone that hasn't listened to the new PJ song needs to unplug their brain from this topic and immediately go listen to it. It's a banger!Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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static111 said:F Me In The Brain said:static111 said:F Me In The Brain said:static111 said:mickeyrat said:static111 said:mcgruff10 said:tbergs said:tempo_n_groove said:static111 said:tempo_n_groove said:Hi! said:F Me In The Brain said:wndowpayne said:If I heard correctly it even covers payroll for 4 months up to 100k per employee? is that right?Is there a link to this? I didn't see that listed in the stories I read but people are citing some specifics that would suggest the text of the bill is out there for review.Can someone share, if so?
Living in NY I get the short end of the stick a lot...I thought this guy was attached to the end of Trump's unit.If Trump wants it, he will vote for it.From a conceptual level I don't see how you could argue with his point. Unemployment should not pay someone more than they make before they lose their job.They write these fucking things so that they are tough to understand but I do not see that in the bill text that I have read so far. If that is a part of the bill I agree with Lindsey Asswipe. Having never had to go on it (yet, early in these days of crisis, I could find out soon enough I guess) I do not know how it works.How would it be a statement that someone hates poor people to say that their unemployment if they lost their job due to The Rona should not pay them more than they made?Yeah, I am not trying to argue with you -- more-so trying to understand the plan. I didn't read it all yet, which I will.As a business leader I do know that you don't get to quit and then automatically get unemployment.I still would not think there is any reason to pay anyone more than what they made if their job was lost as a result of The Rona.We can agree to disagree on that note, but I don't think it makes me hate poor people. I have a few poor people in my family and I (for the most part) love them more than the people with money.
As a leader of business I hope you are doing right by your employees at this time. Given that you are a pj fan on a pj board I’m sure you are.
I know most don't pay attention to this, but the OCC has issued guidance to the nationally chartered banks that they can pull what is known as "bucket 1" collections back to current, waive fees and interest. It's called TDR (troubled debt restructuring). This is a big deal. Most people think banks can just waive fees, interest, not charge off accounts, etc. But that's not true. The OCC are the ones that provide direction and legal approval for these actions. They are responsible for the financial solvency of banks. This is a big step and doesn't happen often.0 -
static111 said:F Me In The Brain said:static111 said:F Me In The Brain said:static111 said:mickeyrat said:static111 said:mcgruff10 said:tbergs said:tempo_n_groove said:static111 said:tempo_n_groove said:Hi! said:F Me In The Brain said:wndowpayne said:If I heard correctly it even covers payroll for 4 months up to 100k per employee? is that right?Is there a link to this? I didn't see that listed in the stories I read but people are citing some specifics that would suggest the text of the bill is out there for review.Can someone share, if so?
Living in NY I get the short end of the stick a lot...I thought this guy was attached to the end of Trump's unit.If Trump wants it, he will vote for it.From a conceptual level I don't see how you could argue with his point. Unemployment should not pay someone more than they make before they lose their job.They write these fucking things so that they are tough to understand but I do not see that in the bill text that I have read so far. If that is a part of the bill I agree with Lindsey Asswipe. Having never had to go on it (yet, early in these days of crisis, I could find out soon enough I guess) I do not know how it works.How would it be a statement that someone hates poor people to say that their unemployment if they lost their job due to The Rona should not pay them more than they made?Yeah, I am not trying to argue with you -- more-so trying to understand the plan. I didn't read it all yet, which I will.As a business leader I do know that you don't get to quit and then automatically get unemployment.I still would not think there is any reason to pay anyone more than what they made if their job was lost as a result of The Rona.We can agree to disagree on that note, but I don't think it makes me hate poor people. I have a few poor people in my family and I (for the most part) love them more than the people with money.
As a leader of business I hope you are doing right by your employees at this time. Given that you are a pj fan on a pj board I’m sure you are.
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mcgruff10 said:Yet another theory (which I like!)
New Oxford study suggests millions of people may have already built up coronavirus immunity
A model predicting the progression of the novel coronavirus pandemic produced by researchers at Imperial College London set off alarms across the world and was a major factor in several governments' decisions to lock things down. But a new model from Oxford University is challenging its accuracy, the Financial Times reports.
The Oxford research suggests the pandemic is in a later stage than previously thought and estimates the virus has already infected at least millions of people worldwide. In the United Kingdom, which the study focuses on, half the population would have already been infected. If accurate, that would mean transmission began around mid-January and the vast majority of cases presented mild or no symptoms.
The head of the study, professor Sunetra Gupta, an Oxford theoretical epidemiologist, said she still supports the U.K.'s decision to shut down the country to suppress the virus even if her research winds up being proven correct. But she also doesn't appear to be a big fan of the work done by the Imperial College team. "I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model," she said.
If her work is accurate, that would likely mean a large swath of the population has built up resistance to the virus. Theoretically, then, social restrictions could ease sooner than anticipated. What needs to be done now, Gupta said, is a whole lot of antibody testing to figure out who may have contracted the virus. Her research team is working with groups from the University of Cambridge and the University of Kent to start those tests for the general population as quickly as possible. Read more at the Financial Times.
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13 Deaths in a Day: An ‘Apocalyptic’ Coronavirus Surge at an N.Y.C. Hospital
Hospitals in the city are facing the kind of harrowing increases in cases that overwhelmed health care systems in China and Italy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-hospitals.html
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pjl44 said:mcgruff10 said:Yet another theory (which I like!)
New Oxford study suggests millions of people may have already built up coronavirus immunity
A model predicting the progression of the novel coronavirus pandemic produced by researchers at Imperial College London set off alarms across the world and was a major factor in several governments' decisions to lock things down. But a new model from Oxford University is challenging its accuracy, the Financial Times reports.
The Oxford research suggests the pandemic is in a later stage than previously thought and estimates the virus has already infected at least millions of people worldwide. In the United Kingdom, which the study focuses on, half the population would have already been infected. If accurate, that would mean transmission began around mid-January and the vast majority of cases presented mild or no symptoms.
The head of the study, professor Sunetra Gupta, an Oxford theoretical epidemiologist, said she still supports the U.K.'s decision to shut down the country to suppress the virus even if her research winds up being proven correct. But she also doesn't appear to be a big fan of the work done by the Imperial College team. "I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model," she said.
If her work is accurate, that would likely mean a large swath of the population has built up resistance to the virus. Theoretically, then, social restrictions could ease sooner than anticipated. What needs to be done now, Gupta said, is a whole lot of antibody testing to figure out who may have contracted the virus. Her research team is working with groups from the University of Cambridge and the University of Kent to start those tests for the general population as quickly as possible. Read more at the Financial Times.
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wndowpayne said:cincybearcat said:As long as I have my job I don’t need the $, and I’m not getting it. But I HATE the idea of sending checks to everyone. Many don’t need it. The person in NYC gets the same as the person in Montana don’t they?
seem it would be better to work with businesses to guarantee and pay a certain % of the pay, etc to the employees to keep them on the payroll despite not working. And then shore up the systems we already have in place to move faster and provide more short term benefits.
Pretty sure that is what they just said in the conference..and loans will be forgiven as long as kept as employeesshippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat said:wndowpayne said:cincybearcat said:As long as I have my job I don’t need the $, and I’m not getting it. But I HATE the idea of sending checks to everyone. Many don’t need it. The person in NYC gets the same as the person in Montana don’t they?
seem it would be better to work with businesses to guarantee and pay a certain % of the pay, etc to the employees to keep them on the payroll despite not working. And then shore up the systems we already have in place to move faster and provide more short term benefits.
Pretty sure that is what they just said in the conference..and loans will be forgiven as long as kept as employeess0 -
I had all the exact symptoms that they're describing the last week of February (thought nothing of it) and that lasted 3 days. So I don't know if I had it or not? I continued life as normal as if it was a cold. So I don't know if I had it or not?
How many millions have already had it? And have buit up an immunity herd immunity already??
Herd immunity possibly is the best remedy outside of drinking a case of Corona with a lime pleasebecause then the the virus has no place to land??
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Jason P said:Anyone that hasn't listened to the new PJ song needs to unplug their brain from this topic and immediately go listen to it. It's a banger!
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Man, I feel for you^^^ jose^^^ and NY at this time.
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static111 said:Lerxst1992 said:static111 said:Lerxst1992 said:static111 said:I’m not very understanding on the economics of ventilator availability. Are there even 30,000 ventilators available at this point?
Did we say that during world war 2? Too bad we dont have tanks nor planes? Was that our approach? No. We built them. Fast.
Go ahead and google US WW2 deaths vs what can happen if the covid crisis continues to be mismanaged and false logic continues.
The numbers should shock everyone. There is a chance this event is worse than a world war for Americans.
But hey, let Cuomo figure it out on his own. Makes perfect sense. Thanks trumpYour comment was reminiscent of what Trump said, I'm sure that was not your intent. “Are there even.” No, of course not. That’s why we need emergency action, not a govt more worried about bailing out big business first. Trump said yesterday let cuomo figure it out. Would that piss you off if you were at risk?
NY is doubling cases almost every other day, this has the potential to get very bad. For the record, WW2 total US deaths were around 400,000. It’s not out of the question this could be worse, especially if there are multiple waves. If you think that’s an overreaction, I think you are not being realistic about the facts in this crisis.
We dragged our feet for two weeks and probably mass contaminated a metropolitan area with about 25 million. Now Trump is dragging his feet again, about ventilators. Of course there aren’t 30,000 extra in a warehouse, but we need quick decisive action. Like in WW2, which had the added problem of the majority of the labor pool getting drafted to quickly produce needed equipment.
The govt moved in two days to bail out the corporations. Good thing we saved the companies quickly, because if companies don’t get enough oxygen into its balance sheet, they will code out immediately. But Preventing mass contamination, fail. Getting or producing enough ventilators in time to save lives, looks like that’s not a priority for trump.
i also agree corporations should have been an after thought. Priorities should be
healthcare
economic assistance for those in need
economic assistance to failing business
and then maybe waaaaaaayyyyyy back there corporations and the stock marketI thought I said parameters strictly dealing with US fatalities and how the US responds to a deadly crisis. US fatalities were about 400,000 in WWII. I did not insinuate we are at war. The comparison is to the most recent lethal crisis where immediate production needed to ramp up.
the federal govt is the resource of last resort, and are best equipped to get the specialized ventilator production industry to ramp up production, add second shifts, fortify it’s supply chain, etc. This should have occurred three weeks ago.0 -
cutz said:Man, I feel for you^^^ jose^^^ and NY at this time.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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josevolution said:cutz said:Man, I feel for you^^^ jose^^^ and NY at this time.You are a warrior man. That’s what I called the excellent nurses who cared for my daughter last week. Hang tough, JE.0
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