Spring Tour Postponed - Letter from the Band

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  • MC185899
    MC185899 Posts: 76
    pjalive21 said:
    Answer me @PearlJam would you do this is Obama was in office...im done with this band and their propaganda
    Please be respectful of the band or stop posting. 
    Yes, because we wouldn't want to respectfully disagree on an open forum. Free speech until someone disagrees with you, huh?
    You aren't respectfully disagreeing.  You are being openly dismissive and employing logical fallacies left and right, and telling people to go back to their bunkers for simply having a realistic and reasonable view on the current situation of the world


    The current situation is a mess.  It’s a global issue and nobody seems to have any good answers yet.  However, our government restricted travel to China months ago when they were mocked for doing so.  Instead of trying to make it sound like our government failed, we should look at the truth and see they’ve done about as well as anyone could have expected given the circumstances.  
  • ForceofNature101
    ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,295
    edited March 2020
    I find it amusing that a lot of the replies slamming the decision are from members with less than 100 posts. Mods, do your job, get rid of these trolls.

    That's one of the saddest sentences I've ever read. You're gatekeeping people who don't sit around posting on an online forum all day? Take a good, hard look in the mirror and try to remember what happened to the life you wanted.
    I mean to be fair people such as you seemingly prefer to pick arguments with many people here tonight so is your life that much more enviable than those you are bitching about right now?
    Mix in some punctuation. You write like a serial killer.
    Why so angry tonight, Darth?
  • Darth Lizard King
    Darth Lizard King Posts: 82
    edited March 2020
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    MC185899 said:
    MC185899 said:
    You don't need to agree with everything the band says and represents, there will always be disagreements when it comes to politics(especially). For me personally, their beliefs and messages make their music that much better. This band has some of the most passionate fans I have ever seen, and they show gratitude for that in so many different ways. They care about your "average joe," even after all these years. If your'e saying things like "F*** Eddie" or "I'm done with this band", you truly do not belong in the 10c or care what this band has ever been about. Go listen to NickleBack. Hell, Dave Matthew's is touring. Break out the cargo shorts and drop your 10C membership. Good riddance.
    I do blame Eddie for the divisive political nonsense.  Has anyone heard anything even remotely political from anyone else in the band?   Me neither. 

    I appreciate bands/entertainers that realize we are inundated with politics all day and that music Is a nice escape from that world.  Because everyone knows we don’t hear enough about Donald Trump.  

    So maybe I will go check out Dave Matthews.  Thanks for the guidance.  
    Hey, any time man. Yes, btw here's the latest: 

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/huddle/2020/02/18/what-pearl-jam-wrote-in-a-letter-to-rep-frank-pallone-488349

    Notice how the article mentions "THE BAND." Believe they are mostly on the same page (especially when it comes to fans)and if they're not, they do an incredible job of respecting each others opinions. Which is why they are STILL recording albums together. Yeah, def go with Dave.
    Funny...I haven’t seen Mike McCready wearing a pussy hat at Bernie rallies, have you?  The rest of the band is held hostage by Eddie because he’s the meal ticket.  Jeff Ament’s side project probably wouldn’t pay as well.  Neither would the “Boom Gaspar Trio”.  So they have no choice but to play along.  

    Does Dave Matthews spend a lot of shows talking down to his audience in a similar fashion?  I’m tired of being lectured by a guy who didn’t even complete High School.  I’m ready to just enjoy a good show instead.  I’ll get a ticket for you, too.  
    Maybe doesn't wear the hat himself, but this seems close enough, lol.
    Your comments are out there man. I don't know how you can keep being a fan. If I thought the things you think, there is no way I could still be a big enough fan to pay for a 10C membership. But okay, enjoy the fan club!

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    MC185899 said:
    pjalive21 said:
    Answer me @PearlJam would you do this is Obama was in office...im done with this band and their propaganda
    Please be respectful of the band or stop posting. 
    Yes, because we wouldn't want to respectfully disagree on an open forum. Free speech until someone disagrees with you, huh?
    You aren't respectfully disagreeing.  You are being openly dismissive and employing logical fallacies left and right, and telling people to go back to their bunkers for simply having a realistic and reasonable view on the current situation of the world


    The current situation is a mess.  It’s a global issue and nobody seems to have any good answers yet.  However, our government restricted travel to China months ago when they were mocked for doing so.  Instead of trying to make it sound like our government failed, we should look at the truth and see they’ve done about as well as anyone could have expected given the circumstances.  
    They absolutely did fail. We still don't have adequate tests for those who need them. They could have jumped out in front on this and taken help from the WHO and Germany regarding testing but we didn't. And we continue to see bumbling and lack of planning. We're behind and trying to catch up. The best we can do now is try to slow the spread. 
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    pjalive21 said:
    Answer me @PearlJam would you do this is Obama was in office...im done with this band and their propaganda
    I can answer that one: if Mr. Obama was in office, he never would have gutted the epidemic response team, because he started the damn thing, he would not be on FOX News every other day talking out his ass about crap he knows nothing about and he would have responded proactively so there would be enough testing kits so people could receive proper treatment.

    If you are done with the band and their propaganda, thats too bad. At least they believe in whats right and fair and they stand behind those beliefs. They have a conscience. And thats a fuck ton more than a lot of other bands can say.
    "Mr Obama..." what a suck-up
    Please stop trolling, jesus
    Honestly, it’s probably unreasonable to expect anything else. Lizards really do have very small brains. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • MC185899
    MC185899 Posts: 76

    pjalive21 said:
    Answer me @PearlJam would you do this is Obama was in office...im done with this band and their propaganda

    If you are done with the band and their propaganda, thats too bad. At least they believe in whats right and fair and they stand behind those beliefs. They have a conscience. And thats a fuck ton more than a lot of other bands can say.
    Let’s face reality: the last album was god-awful and the new album seems to be more of the same.  Eddie’s voice is almost totally shot, too.  I’m just glad I got to see them a bunch when they were fun and powerful and energetic. They are now a relic and a novelty act.  
  • ForceofNature101
    ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,295
    edited March 2020
    MC185899 said:

    pjalive21 said:
    Answer me @PearlJam would you do this is Obama was in office...im done with this band and their propaganda

    If you are done with the band and their propaganda, thats too bad. At least they believe in whats right and fair and they stand behind those beliefs. They have a conscience. And thats a fuck ton more than a lot of other bands can say.
    Let’s face reality: the last album was god-awful and the new album seems to be more of the same.  Eddie’s voice is almost totally shot, too.  I’m just glad I got to see them a bunch when they were fun and powerful and energetic. They are now a relic and a novelty act.  
    I mean, why be here then, if I may genuinely ask with all due respect?  I can't imagine with that mindset that your money is being well spend paying for 10C if you don't want anything the band has to offer anymore lol
  • This thread has gone straight to the dumpster unfortunately, I remember when this thread used to be about this tour being postponed
  • MC185899
    MC185899 Posts: 76
    PJ_Soul said:
    MC185899 said:
    MC185899 said:
    You don't need to agree with everything the band says and represents, there will always be disagreements when it comes to politics(especially). For me personally, their beliefs and messages make their music that much better. This band has some of the most passionate fans I have ever seen, and they show gratitude for that in so many different ways. They care about your "average joe," even after all these years. If your'e saying things like "F*** Eddie" or "I'm done with this band", you truly do not belong in the 10c or care what this band has ever been about. Go listen to NickleBack. Hell, Dave Matthew's is touring. Break out the cargo shorts and drop your 10C membership. Good riddance.
    I do blame Eddie for the divisive political nonsense.  Has anyone heard anything even remotely political from anyone else in the band?   Me neither. 

    I appreciate bands/entertainers that realize we are inundated with politics all day and that music Is a nice escape from that world.  Because everyone knows we don’t hear enough about Donald Trump.  

    So maybe I will go check out Dave Matthews.  Thanks for the guidance.  
    Hey, any time man. Yes, btw here's the latest: 

    https://www.politico.com/newsletters/huddle/2020/02/18/what-pearl-jam-wrote-in-a-letter-to-rep-frank-pallone-488349

    Notice how the article mentions "THE BAND." Believe they are mostly on the same page (especially when it comes to fans)and if they're not, they do an incredible job of respecting each others opinions. Which is why they are STILL recording albums together. Yeah, def go with Dave.
    Funny...I haven’t seen Mike McCready wearing a pussy hat at Bernie rallies, have you?  The rest of the band is held hostage by Eddie because he’s the meal ticket.  Jeff Ament’s side project probably wouldn’t pay as well.  Neither would the “Boom Gaspar Trio”.  So they have no choice but to play along.  

    Does Dave Matthews spend a lot of shows talking down to his audience in a similar fashion?  I’m tired of being lectured by a guy who didn’t even complete High School.  I’m ready to just enjoy a good show instead.  I’ll get a ticket for you, too.  
    Maybe doesn't wear the hat himself, but this seems close enough, lol.
    Your comments are out there man. I don't know how you can keep being a fan. If I thought the things you think, there is no way I could still be a big enough fan to pay for a 10C membership. But okay, enjoy the fan club!

    Oy vey!  <insert vomiting sounds>

    I really wish you hadn’t posted that.  
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    jeffbr said:
    SS209208 said:
    As a person with multiple health issues thanks for making that tough decision. I will miss having the energy recharge me, but glad the decision was taking out of my hands. Sorry for those who have made travel plans, but the weight of this health crisis is too heavy for the band to take on.

    All about you then, huh?
    Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself now. Have you stopped for 2 seconds to think about the band in all of this? People in my area (the band's, too) are dying. In my county we have 20 dead. One was a mid-50's guy with underlying health conditions. The band is in the age demographics, and we know at least Mike has underlying health conditions, and likely a compromised immune system due to Chrohns. So quit making this all about you. This thing is just getting started. People who need testing can't get it. We don't have vaccines, don't have antiviral treatments and the best we can do is slow this thing down. That's done with personal hygiene, and social distancing. Companies here are having workers work from home. Schools and entire school districts are closing. The band is living this right now, even if you're not. Grow up.
    Classic guy who thinks the guys in the band are his friends. "Mike has health conditions." Good thing he has Billy Superfan here to speak on his behalf. What a nut-smasher.
    Hey kid, I hope your mom's about to shut off your Internet for the night.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    edited March 2020
    No matter when they postponed, there would be complaints. 

    By PJ postponing on their own and before people could travel, they avoided having their fans in a SXSW situation. A reminder that the cancellation of SXSW was a City of Austin decision. By making this decision on their own, they avoided the probable city or state cancellation of their event for them. 

    Whether you agree or not, traveling or local, why don't we work hard to support the band and each other? All of us know people who this could devastatedly affect. (COVID-19, that is.) We may all be personally healthy and capable to weather this virus, but not all here can. Let us think of those immune suppressed. 

    The band is political, always will be and there needn't be surprise that our current fucked up state of government is mentioned as a part of it. 

    Whether you think it is hysteria or are subscribing to it, let us all take care of each other as we weather this together. :peace:
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
  • Goodnight ladies and gentlemen. Sad news tonight, but we will have our day. Right decision to postpone. I'll leave thread with this: 

    https://youtu.be/nlSejYHF-p8

  • The Band made the right call - an adult decision. Think about the band and crew. We go to one event and get one exposure to the 20,000 who are present. But they get 10 x 20,000 exposures, and the thing ricochets like a nuclear reaction. A “gigaton”? Haha, but not funny. It’s considerate of all the crew mates and the team and their families to make the call and live to see another day. The spread of this infectious disease is a mathematical certainty. That’s not overblown hysteria. It’s probability and statistics. And it will run its course. Then we get together. 

    And I agree with Ed - our leadership has been incoherent. The very people who should be providing Leadership are acting at odds with each other. So it’s left to us to take care of the situation. To take charge. To take care of each other. Could be an interesting experiment in democracy - us taking charge that is. Could we then do more together? Maybe vote and make the changes we seem to need? 

    Rather than throwing the Federal Reserve at the virus by reducing interest rates so the rich can borrow more cheaply (what a joke) - which does nothing for the health of the poor who live in high densities already (thus the incoherence) - let’s just choose to support the band and go with it, and love each other along the way. Make change happen. See where that takes us. Ed, count me in.
  • MC185899
    MC185899 Posts: 76
    jeffbr said:
    MC185899 said:
    pjalive21 said:
    Answer me @PearlJam would you do this is Obama was in office...im done with this band and their propaganda
    Please be respectful of the band or stop posting. 
    Yes, because we wouldn't want to respectfully disagree on an open forum. Free speech until someone disagrees with you, huh?
    You aren't respectfully disagreeing.  You are being openly dismissive and employing logical fallacies left and right, and telling people to go back to their bunkers for simply having a realistic and reasonable view on the current situation of the world


    The current situation is a mess.  It’s a global issue and nobody seems to have any good answers yet.  However, our government restricted travel to China months ago when they were mocked for doing so.  Instead of trying to make it sound like our government failed, we should look at the truth and see they’ve done about as well as anyone could have expected given the circumstances.  
    They absolutely did fail. We still don't have adequate tests for those who need them. They could have jumped out in front on this and taken help from the WHO and Germany regarding testing but we didn't. And we continue to see bumbling and lack of planning. We're behind and trying to catch up. The best we can do now is try to slow the spread. 
    That’s all anyone can do.  This is a complete unknown.  Testing is getting there.  They are working on a vaccine, as well.  This stuff doesn’t happen overnight. I just know the administration was mocked for restricting travel with China and it definitely saved a lot of lives.  But nobody wants to give any credit for that. 
  • goldrush
    goldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,799
    This thread has gone straight to the dumpster unfortunately, I remember when this thread used to be about this tour being postponed
    That seems like such a long time ago now, doesn't it? Unfortunately it all went to shite pretty quickly and it shows no signs of recovering any time soon.
    “Do not postpone happiness”
    (Jeff Tweedy, Sydney 2007)

    “Put yer good money on the sunrise”
    (Tim Rogers)
  • Lizard
    Lizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    I was expecting this to happen....still hoping it wouldn't happen but not shocked.  Bummed for sure.

    And that Darth is giving Lizards a bad name...tuff guy.
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
    Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
  • MC185899
    MC185899 Posts: 76
    This thread has gone straight to the dumpster unfortunately, I remember when this thread used to be about this tour being postponed
    Thanks for that, ForceofNature.  This thread definitely needed a narrator.  

    You could also sign off at any time.  But I digress.  
  • MC185899
    MC185899 Posts: 76
    MC185899 said:

    pjalive21 said:
    Answer me @PearlJam would you do this is Obama was in office...im done with this band and their propaganda

    If you are done with the band and their propaganda, thats too bad. At least they believe in whats right and fair and they stand behind those beliefs. They have a conscience. And thats a fuck ton more than a lot of other bands can say.
    Let’s face reality: the last album was god-awful and the new album seems to be more of the same.  Eddie’s voice is almost totally shot, too.  I’m just glad I got to see them a bunch when they were fun and powerful and energetic. They are now a relic and a novelty act.  
    I mean, why be here then, if I may genuinely ask with all due respect?  I can't imagine with that mindset that your money is being well spend paying for 10C if you don't want anything the band has to offer anymore lol
    I still like to see them live.  I’m nostalgic for the 90’s, I guess.   Everything I said above is true and you know it.  
  • MC185899 said:
    This thread has gone straight to the dumpster unfortunately, I remember when this thread used to be about this tour being postponed
    Thanks for that, ForceofNature.  This thread definitely needed a narrator.  

    You could also sign off at any time.  But I digress.  
    I am here because I have tickets for this tour and am interested in it.  According to you per last page, you hate their new material and called them "relics and a novelty act" - why would the person who is actually interested about the current tour, leave the thread specifically about the current tour? 

    I feel like you and Darth are unfortunately specifically looking for arguments tonight or something.  I am finding it really questionable 
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