The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    Of course you think they are. Some of us think the more appropriate question is "what is best for the most people?" 
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

    So selfless. 
    Wondering if I could provide for my family before supporting a candidate is a pretty legit question.   
    You and your wife both teach, right? You're really that close to falling below a living wage with two incomes?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,203
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    Of course you think they are. Some of us think the more appropriate question is "what is best for the most people?" 
    Those Ideas are great, but how much one can afford is more important.  

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,203
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

    So selfless. 
    Wondering if I could provide for my family before supporting a candidate is a pretty legit question.   
    You and your wife both teach, right? You're really that close to falling below a living wage with two incomes?
    I have five kids my man. Those little fuckers aren’t cheap. ;)
    We really love our current house, I would hate to not be able to pay our mortgage. 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    Of course you think they are. Some of us think the more appropriate question is "what is best for the most people?" 
    Those Ideas are great, but how much one can afford is more important.  

    I believe someone who thinks that way is a bad person
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,203
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    Of course you think they are. Some of us think the more appropriate question is "what is best for the most people?" 
    Those Ideas are great, but how much one can afford is more important.  

    I believe someone who thinks that way is a bad person
    If living within my means makes me a bad person so be it.  

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    Of course you think they are. Some of us think the more appropriate question is "what is best for the most people?" 
    Those Ideas are great, but how much one can afford is more important.  

    I believe someone who thinks that way is a bad person
    If living within my means makes me a bad person so be it.  

    Somehow I really doubt you’re as hard up for money as you say. I’m guessing you’re one of those who insists their X + __ is more important than others’ X. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,659
    edited February 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    How do norweigans, swedes, finns and danes survive in (more) humane working and less egodriven selfish societies?

    they have homes. i think. 

    And you do know you guys pay ALOT MORE for healthcare. so do some math that is not given from fox news. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,418
    pjl44 said:
    A federal judge ruled stop and frisk unconstitutional in 2013 but yes let's continue to advocate for its efficacy in 2020.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/nyregion/stop-and-frisk-practice-violated-rights-judge-rules.html

    A federal judge ruled but the appeal was dropped and the decision was actually sent back for admin review.  Because Bloomberg decided to stop changing the law to add new terms to his administration the case was dropped. Had he went for a fourth term, do you really believe the USSC would overturn Henry? That’s the historical decision letting cops sidestep the fourth amendment. That decision is still valid.

    and it was funny, not sure who but someone claimed I was to the right of the national review. Which is kinda silly as they are libertarians who are not technically right or left (That would be a long and boring analysis). Long story short, 4a is  sacrosanct to libertarians, not conservatives imo.

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,203
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    Of course you think they are. Some of us think the more appropriate question is "what is best for the most people?" 
    Those Ideas are great, but how much one can afford is more important.  

    I believe someone who thinks that way is a bad person
    If living within my means makes me a bad person so be it.  

    Somehow I really doubt you’re as hard up for money as you say. I’m guessing you’re one of those who insists their X + __ is more important than others’ X. 
    My own family and what I can afford for them comes first. I guess you are just a better person than me.  

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,967
    edited February 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

    You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place. 
    https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
    Post edited by eddiec on
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,418
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're helping trump get re-elected and use the justice dept and courts as his personal vendetta weapon and it’s going to get a million times worse than it is today, all because certain “democrats” forgot the lesson of 1972 and nominated fantasy instead of reality.
    ..FTFY
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,787
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  

    Again, I wouldn't worry about it.  With a Republican Senate, nothing "free" is going to get passed.  And as long as Trump is in office, big pharmaceutical companies and corporate medicine will continue to make it harder and harder for you to provide yourself and your family with health care.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think there are any easy answers, but Trump is not in to help the average American. I think you know who he is in it for.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,659
    edited February 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    Of course you think they are. Some of us think the more appropriate question is "what is best for the most people?" 
    Those Ideas are great, but how much one can afford is more important.  

    I believe someone who thinks that way is a bad person
    If living within my means makes me a bad person so be it.  

    Somehow I really doubt you’re as hard up for money as you say. I’m guessing you’re one of those who insists their X + __ is more important than others’ X. 
    My own family and what I can afford for them comes first. I guess you are just a better person than me.  

    If you say so
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,659
    edited February 2020
    LOL - Why are the media painting it like you are all dumb and have had you heads in the sand of cult like propaganda. There are other ways than pure greed. 

    WHAT EVEN IS THIS?!?!?  YOU ARE JOURNALISTS. YOU SHOULD BE EDUCATED AND NOT INDOCTRINATED. 




    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,418
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
     Cmon Fred we need you. There’s no way m4a is getting past the senate, so please please please vote blue no matter who.

    we need this soap opera self centered presidency to end no matter what.
  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 8,418
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
     Great post, thanks BL.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,659


    Sanders hypeman is back
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    dignin said:
    Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

    Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
    We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.
    So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?
    I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  
    Ridiculous
    Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  


    Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

    With Bernie you would not get:

    -A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.
    -The dismantling of environmental protections.
    -Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).
    -Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.
    -A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

    And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.
    Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  
    Of course you think they are. Some of us think the more appropriate question is "what is best for the most people?" 
    Those Ideas are great, but how much one can afford is more important.  

    I believe someone who thinks that way is a bad person
    If living within my means makes me a bad person so be it.  

    Somehow I really doubt you’re as hard up for money as you say. I’m guessing you’re one of those who insists their X + __ is more important than others’ X. 
    My own family and what I can afford for them comes first. I guess you are just a better person than me.  

    Yes and your view is the majority view. That’s why the pearl clutching about Trump seems so disingenuous from where I’m standing.
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Lerxst1992 said:
    pjl44 said:
    A federal judge ruled stop and frisk unconstitutional in 2013 but yes let's continue to advocate for its efficacy in 2020.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/nyregion/stop-and-frisk-practice-violated-rights-judge-rules.html

    A federal judge ruled but the appeal was dropped and the decision was actually sent back for admin review.  Because Bloomberg decided to stop changing the law to add new terms to his administration the case was dropped. Had he went for a fourth term, do you really believe the USSC would overturn Henry? That’s the historical decision letting cops sidestep the fourth amendment. That decision is still valid.

    and it was funny, not sure who but someone claimed I was to the right of the national review. Which is kinda silly as they are libertarians who are not technically right or left (That would be a long and boring analysis). Long story short, 4a is  sacrosanct to libertarians, not conservatives imo.

    What? Libertarians are on the right. 
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