The Democratic Presidential Debates

Ledbetterman10 · February 2020

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.

How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.

https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Anything to validate that this thing is accurate?

Not sure. I’ll have to look.

If it does work, his plan actually doesn’t hurt me.

Until your company cuts the work force by 7%, forgoes merit increases, bonuses, etc. Remember the big nut of this will be paid by your company. You may also need to buy supplemental insurance, like most medicare patients do. And I believe many in Canada do the same. Devil is in the details, not the website run by the candidate.

That could be a problem.

mcgruff10 · February 2020

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.

How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.

https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Anything to validate that this thing is accurate?

Not sure. I’ll have to look.

If it does work, his plan actually doesn’t hurt me.

Until your company cuts the work force by 7%, forgoes merit increases, bonuses, etc. Remember the big nut of this will be paid by your company. You may also need to buy supplemental insurance, like most medicare patients do. And I believe many in Canada do the same. Devil is in the details, not the website run by the candidate.

Interesting.

Lerxst1992 · February 2020

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Does SC mean me, supreme court, south carolina or Soul Calibur ?

All of the above. JK. If I’m replying to you I think you’re SC. I try to go with USSC or simply the court (singular) for that reference. I’d rarely mention South Carolina, except for this week of course ;-)

but hey, thanks for working on bringing back our preexisting conditions nightmare.

But Sanders will win.

Sure. The 2020 Benedict Arnold Humanitarian Award.

Lerxst1992 · February 2020

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

cincybearcat said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.

How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.

https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Anything to validate that this thing is accurate?

Not sure. I’ll have to look.

If it does work, his plan actually doesn’t hurt me.

Until your company cuts the work force by 7%, forgoes merit increases, bonuses, etc. Remember the big nut of this will be paid by your company. You may also need to buy supplemental insurance, like most medicare patients do. And I believe many in Canada do the same. Devil is in the details, not the website run by the candidate.

Interesting.

I see you didn’t address preexisting conditions. I’ll assume that means you have guaranteed healthcare even if your are sick you are locked in for coverage. But I’m willing to bet there is a chance you know someone pretty well that makes decent money that could get kicked off insurance. I believe NY is protected against this, NJ might be as well.

But I don’t trust republicans to not pass something allowing insurance companies to circumvent state laws. With serious illness, I’m guessing someone would need millions (plural) saved to avoid risk of financial problems. People living closer paycheck to paycheck probably flirting with bankruptcy.

five grand is a small price to pay for me. Actually, I vote democrat for the exact opposite reason. My interests extend beyond me. Sorry to be so blunt, but a lot is at stake if republicans get full control again.

Lerxst1992 · February 2020

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.

Show me some numbers.

I did mine, and my effective tax rate goes up by 7 points. But there's a hidden cost that is not on the website. Most of Bernie's plan uses emplolyer taxes to fund the program. His estimate is 7.5% of the employees salary That's a fairly substantial increase. Now before anyone starts talking about Amazon not paying taxes, that's an outlier and none of us work for Amazon. Most companies, particularly small and medium businesses, pay a solid tax rate. And there's no indication that it will replace the current employer obligation. It appears to be additive. So when you increase taxes by 7.5% X salary expense, that will translate to lower wages generally. TNSTAAFL.

So everyone is deciding to give out their AGI now?

Lerxst1992 · February 2020

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

A federal judge ruled stop and frisk unconstitutional in 2013 but yes let's continue to advocate for its efficacy in 2020.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/nyregion/stop-and-frisk-practice-violated-rights-judge-rules.html

A federal judge ruled but the appeal was dropped and the decision was actually sent back for admin review. Because Bloomberg decided to stop changing the law to add new terms to his administration the case was dropped. Had he went for a fourth term, do you really believe the USSC would overturn Henry? That’s the historical decision letting cops sidestep the fourth amendment. That decision is still valid.

and it was funny, not sure who but someone claimed I was to the right of the national review. Which is kinda silly as they are libertarians who are not technically right or left (That would be a long and boring analysis). Long story short, 4a is sacrosanct to libertarians, not conservatives imo.

What? Libertarians are on the right.

You should have stuck with the racism accusations.

as I said this would be long and boring dude-

“ Libertarianism (from Latin: libertas, meaning "freedom"), or libertarism (from French: libertaire, meaning "libertarian"), is a collection of political philosophiesand movements that uphold liberty as a core principle.[1] Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association and individual judgement.[2] Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling for the restriction or dissolution of coercive social institutions. Different categorizations have been used to distinguish various forms of libertarianism.[3][4] This is done to distinguish libertarian views on the nature of property and capital, usually along left–right or socialist–capitalist lines.[5]
Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.[8][9] These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.

You know that radical politics (and literature) is my area of expertise, right? As in, that’s the topic on which I publish in scholarly journals. .

Well that makes two awkward answers on that topic. Must be that red state water, or maybe the red state wine?

.

ecdanc · February 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

A federal judge ruled stop and frisk unconstitutional in 2013 but yes let's continue to advocate for its efficacy in 2020.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/nyregion/stop-and-frisk-practice-violated-rights-judge-rules.html

A federal judge ruled but the appeal was dropped and the decision was actually sent back for admin review. Because Bloomberg decided to stop changing the law to add new terms to his administration the case was dropped. Had he went for a fourth term, do you really believe the USSC would overturn Henry? That’s the historical decision letting cops sidestep the fourth amendment. That decision is still valid.

and it was funny, not sure who but someone claimed I was to the right of the national review. Which is kinda silly as they are libertarians who are not technically right or left (That would be a long and boring analysis). Long story short, 4a is sacrosanct to libertarians, not conservatives imo.

What? Libertarians are on the right.

You should have stuck with the racism accusations.

as I said this would be long and boring dude-

“ Libertarianism (from Latin: libertas, meaning "freedom"), or libertarism (from French: libertaire, meaning "libertarian"), is a collection of political philosophiesand movements that uphold liberty as a core principle.[1] Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association and individual judgement.[2] Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling for the restriction or dissolution of coercive social institutions. Different categorizations have been used to distinguish various forms of libertarianism.[3][4] This is done to distinguish libertarian views on the nature of property and capital, usually along left–right or socialist–capitalist lines.[5]
Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.[8][9] These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.

You know that radical politics (and literature) is my area of expertise, right? As in, that’s the topic on which I publish in scholarly journals. .

Well that makes two awkward answers on that topic. Must be that red state water, or maybe the red state wine?

.

What are you even saying here? You responded to a bona fide expert with a Wikipedia page. .

mrussel1 · February 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.

Show me some numbers.

I did mine, and my effective tax rate goes up by 7 points. But there's a hidden cost that is not on the website. Most of Bernie's plan uses emplolyer taxes to fund the program. His estimate is 7.5% of the employees salary That's a fairly substantial increase. Now before anyone starts talking about Amazon not paying taxes, that's an outlier and none of us work for Amazon. Most companies, particularly small and medium businesses, pay a solid tax rate. And there's no indication that it will replace the current employer obligation. It appears to be additive. So when you increase taxes by 7.5% X salary expense, that will translate to lower wages generally. TNSTAAFL.

So everyone is deciding to give out their AGI now?

Im pretty sure you can't back into anything with what I shared. Did I go from 4 to 11? 17 to 24%?

Lerxst1992 · February 2020

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

ecdanc said:

Lerxst1992 said:

pjl44 said:

A federal judge ruled stop and frisk unconstitutional in 2013 but yes let's continue to advocate for its efficacy in 2020.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/nyregion/stop-and-frisk-practice-violated-rights-judge-rules.html

A federal judge ruled but the appeal was dropped and the decision was actually sent back for admin review. Because Bloomberg decided to stop changing the law to add new terms to his administration the case was dropped. Had he went for a fourth term, do you really believe the USSC would overturn Henry? That’s the historical decision letting cops sidestep the fourth amendment. That decision is still valid.

and it was funny, not sure who but someone claimed I was to the right of the national review. Which is kinda silly as they are libertarians who are not technically right or left (That would be a long and boring analysis). Long story short, 4a is sacrosanct to libertarians, not conservatives imo.

What? Libertarians are on the right.

You should have stuck with the racism accusations.

as I said this would be long and boring dude-

“ Libertarianism (from Latin: libertas, meaning "freedom"), or libertarism (from French: libertaire, meaning "libertarian"), is a collection of political philosophiesand movements that uphold liberty as a core principle.[1] Libertarians seek to maximize political freedom and autonomy, emphasizing freedom of choice, voluntary association and individual judgement.[2] Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but they diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems. Various schools of libertarian thought offer a range of views regarding the legitimate functions of state and private power, often calling for the restriction or dissolution of coercive social institutions. Different categorizations have been used to distinguish various forms of libertarianism.[3][4] This is done to distinguish libertarian views on the nature of property and capital, usually along left–right or socialist–capitalist lines.[5]
Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists,[6] especially social anarchists,[7] but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists.[8][9] These libertarians seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects to usufruct property norms, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.

You know that radical politics (and literature) is my area of expertise, right? As in, that’s the topic on which I publish in scholarly journals. .

Well that makes two awkward answers on that topic. Must be that red state water, or maybe the red state wine?

.

What are you even saying here? You responded to a bona fide expert with a Wikipedia page. .

lol bona fide. Love the language. Enjoy the preexisting conditions.

the exact reason I’d pull Wikipedia is to get as impartial wording as possible, as I usually enjoy what experts have to say about political theory in an entirely different manner.

Lerxst1992 · February 2020

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.

Show me some numbers.

I did mine, and my effective tax rate goes up by 7 points. But there's a hidden cost that is not on the website. Most of Bernie's plan uses emplolyer taxes to fund the program. His estimate is 7.5% of the employees salary That's a fairly substantial increase. Now before anyone starts talking about Amazon not paying taxes, that's an outlier and none of us work for Amazon. Most companies, particularly small and medium businesses, pay a solid tax rate. And there's no indication that it will replace the current employer obligation. It appears to be additive. So when you increase taxes by 7.5% X salary expense, that will translate to lower wages generally. TNSTAAFL.

So everyone is deciding to give out their AGI now?

Im pretty sure you can't back into anything with what I shared. Did I go from 4 to 11? 17 to 24%?

Pretty sure or sure?

mrussel1 · February 2020

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.

Show me some numbers.

I did mine, and my effective tax rate goes up by 7 points. But there's a hidden cost that is not on the website. Most of Bernie's plan uses emplolyer taxes to fund the program. His estimate is 7.5% of the employees salary That's a fairly substantial increase. Now before anyone starts talking about Amazon not paying taxes, that's an outlier and none of us work for Amazon. Most companies, particularly small and medium businesses, pay a solid tax rate. And there's no indication that it will replace the current employer obligation. It appears to be additive. So when you increase taxes by 7.5% X salary expense, that will translate to lower wages generally. TNSTAAFL.

So everyone is deciding to give out their AGI now?

Im pretty sure you can't back into anything with what I shared. Did I go from 4 to 11? 17 to 24%?

Pretty sure or sure?

Go ahead and take a guess if you wish

F Me In The Brain · February 2020

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.

Show me some numbers.

Again, it's on his web page.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/
I think people are looking at the short term instead of looking at the future. Which is normal. When we think of earning less each fiscal year, there's an immediate reaction to oppose it. But college has become a tremendous burden on most families. Paying more taxes of a few grand each year is nothing compared to the cost of putting several kids through college.

You read that actual website that you shared as being his page with the tax calculator?
It clearly states that there is no affiliation with Bernie Sanders.
It also appears to be a site that has not been updated in half a year.

Smells rotten to me.
No way, nor care, to substantiate that feeling....but I think that we all live in a day and age when we need to be careful with accepting something that looks like shit as something that is real.
Hell, we live in a world where we should question what actually looks good.

Hate to say it....being a Never Trumper....but this smells like #fakenews.
Certainly is fake news that this is Bernie's site.
C'mon people!
😂

F Me In The Brain · February 2020

This is the link you shared
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

mcgruff10 · February 2020

Man I love Pete:
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/pete-buttigieg-9-year-old-coming-out-221948552.html

Pete Buttigieg Helps 9-Year-Old Come Out To The World In Emotional Exchange

Democratic presidential candidate Pete Buttigieg shared a heartfelt moment on Saturday when a young boy asked the former South Bend, Indiana, mayor to help him come out to the world.

“Thank you for being so brave,” 9-year-old Zachary Ro wrote in a question read during the openly gay candidate’s rally in Denver. “Would you help me tell the world I’m gay, too? I want to be brave like you.”

Zachary, who reportedly attended the rally with his parents, then joined Buttigieg onstage and gave him a bracelet as the crowd responded with loud applause.

“I don’t think you need a lot of advice from me on bravery. You seem pretty strong,” Buttigieg told the child. “It took me a long time to figure out how to tell even my best friend that I was gay, let alone to go out there and tell the world. And to see you willing to come to terms with who you are in a room full of 1,000 people, thousands of people you’ve never met, that’s really something.”

The former mayor then told Zachary that he does have some tips for him “that might be useful.”

“The first thing is that it won’t always be easy, but that’s OK because you know who you are. And that’s really important, because when you know who you are, you have a center of gravity that can hold you together when all kinds of chaos is happening around you,” Buttigieg said.

“The second thing I want you to know is that you’ll never know who’s taking their lead from you, who’s watching you and deciding that they can be a little braver because you have been brave,” he continued.

Buttigieg came out in his 30s after he returned from deployment in Afghanistan and had already been elected mayor. The Indiana native told his coming-out story at a Democratic debate last year, marking the first time in U.S. history that the public had heard a presidential candidate publicly talk about their coming-out experience.

“When I was trying to figure who I was, I was afraid that who I was might mean that I could never make a difference,” Buttigieg told Zachary. “And what wound up happening instead is that it’s a huge part of the difference I get to make. I never could’ve seen that coming. And you’ll never know who’s life you might be affecting right now just by standing here, right now. There’s a lot of power in that.”

With Buttigieg being the first openly gay presidential candidate in the country’s history, the candidate’s campaign has faced homophobic comments ― mostly from the right ― on whether the U.S. is ready for, or even wants, a gay president.

Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh recently made homophobic remarks about Buttigieg kissing his husband on the debate stage and questioned on his show how it would play out with voters if the former mayor is the presidential nominee.

Buttigieg responded to Limbaugh’s comments last week, saying he does not take “lectures on family values” from the Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient who is known for his hateful positions on marginalized groups.

“Well, I love my husband. I’m faithful to my husband,” the candidate told CNN of Chasten Buttigieg. “Onstage, we usually just go for a hug. But I love him very much, and I’m not going to take lectures on family values from the likes of Rush Limbaugh.”

About 78% of Americans said they would vote for someone who is gay or lesbian if the person is a party’s “well-qualified” presidential candidate, according to a Gallup poll released earlier this month.

Buttigieg said that while he can’t promise Zachary it will always be easy, “I can promise you that I’m gonna be rooting for you.” The two were then joined onstage by Chasten Buttigieg, who walked Zachary back to his parents.

“I think you’ve already got it together, so I’m excited to see what you’re going to do as a leader,” the former mayor told Zachary. “Just promise me you won’t run for president until after I’m done because I think you might be strong competition.”

Zachary told a KDVR-TV reporter after the event that the former mayor gave him “some really good advice.” The reporter said Zachary’s father told him he was proud of his son.

“I just feel inspired by Pete being openly gay and running for president at the same time,” Zachary told the station. “Someday I wanna be like him.”

cincybearcat · February 2020

F Me In The Brain said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.

Show me some numbers.

Again, it's on his web page.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/
I think people are looking at the short term instead of looking at the future. Which is normal. When we think of earning less each fiscal year, there's an immediate reaction to oppose it. But college has become a tremendous burden on most families. Paying more taxes of a few grand each year is nothing compared to the cost of putting several kids through college.

You read that actual website that you shared as being his page with the tax calculator?
It clearly states that there is no affiliation with Bernie Sanders.
It also appears to be a site that has not been updated in half a year.

Smells rotten to me.
No way, nor care, to substantiate that feeling....but I think that we all live in a day and age when we need to be careful with accepting something that looks like shit as something that is real.
Hell, we live in a world where we should question what actually looks good.

Hate to say it....being a Never Trumper....but this smells like #fakenews.
Certainly is fake news that this is Bernie's site.
C'mon people!
😂

Yeah it’s not bernies. I did find a discussion about it somewhere where the individual was truly trying to set it up to calculate correctly. But perhaps it’s not correct.

F Me In The Brain · February 2020

I'm sure there will be at least two people to shit on that, or at least on some level about it's whiteness or some other sort of bs.

Good story, much better than fake Bernie website or Marxist bullshit.

cincybearcat · February 2020

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm sure there will be at least tw KI o people to shit on that, or at least on some level about it's whiteness or some other sort of bs.

Good story, much better than fake Bernie website or Marxist bullshit.

It’s not a fake Bernie site, it specifically says it’s not associated with him directly. They aren’t hiding it

mrussel1 · February 2020

F Me In The Brain said:

I'm sure there will be at least two people to shit on that, or at least on some level about it's whiteness or some other sort of bs.

Good story, much better than fake Bernie website or Marxist bullshit.

Oh shit, the one I went to was different but also fake. It fooled me as it has its logo and links to his donation page. So now we should just trust him?

https://www.sandershealthcare2020.com/

F Me In The Brain · February 2020

We shouldn't trust supporters (or Russian fucking trumpeters) to run these things, that is for sure.

F Me In The Brain · February 2020

cincybearcat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.

I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.

What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.

Show me some numbers.

Again, it's on his web page.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/
I think people are looking at the short term instead of looking at the future. Which is normal. When we think of earning less each fiscal year, there's an immediate reaction to oppose it. But college has become a tremendous burden on most families. Paying more taxes of a few grand each year is nothing compared to the cost of putting several kids through college.

You read that actual website that you shared as being his page with the tax calculator?
It clearly states that there is no affiliation with Bernie Sanders.
It also appears to be a site that has not been updated in half a year.

Smells rotten to me.
No way, nor care, to substantiate that feeling....but I think that we all live in a day and age when we need to be careful with accepting something that looks like shit as something that is real.
Hell, we live in a world where we should question what actually looks good.

Hate to say it....being a Never Trumper....but this smells like #fakenews.
Certainly is fake news that this is Bernie's site.
C'mon people!
😂

Yeah it’s not bernies. I did find a discussion about it somewhere where the individual was truly trying to set it up to calculate correctly. But perhaps it’s not correct.

The twins are truly trying to support their agendas here as well. I'm sure they love these sites.

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