10C tickets on stubhub

mpedone said:

huntersthompson said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

pjl44 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

Report them. 

Not really my style. Karma will get them 

Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.

I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed. 

Are you willing to pay over face value?

Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here. 

Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?

What does it matter to you? 

The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.

Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world! 

Billy Joel's mostly sold out 2/20 MSG show cheapest ticket on Ticketmaster right now is $101+ fees and $62+ on stub hub. Similar seats. 

Why is incumbent on many others here to attack and belittle without facts? Tdaweville?

He plays there once a month....call up the guys in PJ and ask them to drop by NY once a month....there is your endless supply...and, as we have been so eloquently told in this thread, demand should drop allowing people to buy a $120 ticket for $70 on stubhub....

That's basically what he wants, which strikes me as the definition of entitlement. It's the attitude of "The band should do THIS to satisfy ME."

Lerxst1992 said:

mpedone said:

huntersthompson said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

pjl44 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

Report them. 

Not really my style. Karma will get them 

Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.

I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed. 

Are you willing to pay over face value?

Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here. 

Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?

What does it matter to you? 

The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.

Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world! 

Billy Joel's mostly sold out 2/20 MSG show cheapest ticket on Ticketmaster right now is $101+ fees and $62+ on stub hub. Similar seats. 

Why is incumbent on many others here to attack and belittle without facts? Tdaweville?

He plays there once a month....call up the guys in PJ and ask them to drop by NY once a month....there is your endless supply...and, as we have been so eloquently told in this thread, demand should drop allowing people to buy a $120 ticket for $70 on stubhub....

That's basically what he wants, which strikes me as the definition of entitlement. It's the attitude of "The band should do THIS to satisfy ME."

Is it ever possible in online forums for people to read what's written vs what they want it to say? I'm providing an example of stub hub providing a good and legal service for fans with a 40% discount in a free market. Where am I saying this is the exact same situation as the Giga tour? Yes part of the reason demand is high is lack of east shows.  But that is the bands right to do what they want. They certainly dont answer to me nor do I want them to.

Lerxst1992 said:

tdawe said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

pjl44 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

Report them. 

Not really my style. Karma will get them 

Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.

I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed. 

Are you willing to pay over face value?

Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here. 

Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?

What does it matter to you? 

The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.

Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world! 

Excellent analogy. Plane tickets are available from the carriers and many different aggregate sites. Plane tickets cost also increases and decreases based on supply and demand

 Concert tickets are usually available from one source. And usually a set price. 

You obviously have not been following TM dynamic pricing. 

Wait you actually have....

You’re wasting your time. 

Yes it is a complete waste. We are too busy with endless song requests to read and bullying a stupid member like me who believes some level of a safe free market ticketing system is a good thing in the United States.


https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.

The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.

you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market.   This IS THE MARKET.  They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace.   That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.  

They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic. 

Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"

Did I say it wasn't within their right?

when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right.  What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business.   That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders. 

in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show.  Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.

I dont believe it's fair to call artists lazy or resellers vultures. In many cases resellers are providing a service to customers when no other options exist and helping artists learn what is the true market value of their tickets. Most are not as successful as PJ and this info is valuable for them. The Supreme Court has ruled in most cases resale is legal. I am not aware of a specific limitation on concert tickets, but obviously artist can try to limit resale to their events by essentially making it a private event.

By setting an artificially low price to their tickets, I am calling that " interference " with the market. This helps increase demand and reduce supply, which is having an impact on resale prices. In most cases in a capitalist society, markets set prices. PJ clearly doesnt want this to occur. They can limit it in most places but not eliminate it. And in NY and CO, there were over two thousand tickets available for resale. There are also tickets available online for every other show, perhaps a couple hundred per on average.

Limiting supply and increasing demand is having an obvious impact on the prices of these tickets.

Resellers are fucking vultures.  They are parasites.  They created a "business" to appease frenetic fans that would pay more than the artist has decided they want to accept in order profit off of something that is NOT FUCKING THEIRS!   

The secondary market is not a true value it is a distorted view of the value based on the same thing you keep reaching back to, limited supply and high demand.  The concert industry has been plagued by this for years because inherently, certain shows have insane demand, and in places such as New York City and the greater metro area, there are a shit ton of people and a lot of people with excessive disposable income within that shit ton and then also suckers who are willing to get financially raked over the goals because, frenetic fan syndrome.

Just because the supreme court has ruled in some cases that resale is legal that a band has to succumb to it and allow it.

You are claiming the price is artificially low, because you want it to be higher to basically guarantee your preferred access.  That does not make the condition so.  That is what we call making things up to benefit the argument.

In most cases in a free market society, the individual or individuals producing a product decide what they want to sell it for, if people buy it for that amount the product will continue to be made and bought until no one wants or needs it any longer.  Free markets do not dictate that prices have to be high, the producer of the product can absolutely reject someone trying to pay more for their goods and services.   When a vulture/parasite (or do-gooder re-seller if that is more appropriate) steps in grabs a bunch of a limited supply to create artificial demand to an already fixed supply and thus profit off of something they had ZERO hand in producing - ie they don't put on the show, they don't promote the show, they don't pay the crew, they'd don't pay the venue fees and they don't pay the artist, that is not Capitalism, it is scamonomics.   It is taking advantage of a thing for personal gain in which they had no material right to.  

It is amazing that we have come to a point and time when people are actually arguing that individuals that provide absolutely no function or service other than to profit off of someone else's labor because fans are gullible.

Pearl Jam tickets are not boxes of Cheerios.  Go figure.

Lostpawn said:

Bands were simply leaving wads of cash off the table for decades.  Pearl Jam still does.

Yes. Intentionally. They want to leave that money in their fans’ pockets, not give it to scalpers. They aren’t dumb. They know how much they can get for their tickets. They choose not to, for the benefit of their fans. This is why they insisted on such massive allocation to 10c. 

What they are doing is economically irrational, but socially benevolent. Personally, I love it. 

pjl44 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

tdawe said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

pjl44 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

Report them. 

Not really my style. Karma will get them 

Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.

I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed. 

Are you willing to pay over face value?

Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here. 

Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?

What does it matter to you? 

The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.

Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world! 

Excellent analogy. Plane tickets are available from the carriers and many different aggregate sites. Plane tickets cost also increases and decreases based on supply and demand

 Concert tickets are usually available from one source. And usually a set price. 

You obviously have not been following TM dynamic pricing. 

Wait you actually have....

You’re wasting your time. 

Yes it is a complete waste. We are too busy with endless song requests to read and bullying a stupid member like me who believes some level of a safe free market ticketing system is a good thing in the United States.


https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines

You spend 12 hours a day making antagonistic posts. You're not being attacked or bullied.

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.

The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.

you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market.   This IS THE MARKET.  They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace.   That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.  

They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic. 

Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"

Did I say it wasn't within their right?

when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right.  What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business.   That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders. 

in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show.  Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.

I dont believe it's fair to call artists lazy or resellers vultures. In many cases resellers are providing a service to customers when no other options exist and helping artists learn what is the true market value of their tickets. Most are not as successful as PJ and this info is valuable for them. The Supreme Court has ruled in most cases resale is legal. I am not aware of a specific limitation on concert tickets, but obviously artist can try to limit resale to their events by essentially making it a private event.

By setting an artificially low price to their tickets, I am calling that " interference " with the market. This helps increase demand and reduce supply, which is having an impact on resale prices. In most cases in a capitalist society, markets set prices. PJ clearly doesnt want this to occur. They can limit it in most places but not eliminate it. And in NY and CO, there were over two thousand tickets available for resale. There are also tickets available online for every other show, perhaps a couple hundred per on average.

Limiting supply and increasing demand is having an obvious impact on the prices of these tickets.

Resellers are fucking vultures.  They are parasites.  They created a "business" to appease frenetic fans that would pay more than the artist has decided they want to accept in order profit off of something that is NOT FUCKING THEIRS!   

The secondary market is not a true value it is a distorted view of the value based on the same thing you keep reaching back to, limited supply and high demand.  The concert industry has been plagued by this for years because inherently, certain shows have insane demand, and in places such as New York City and the greater metro area, there are a shit ton of people and a lot of people with excessive disposable income within that shit ton and then also suckers who are willing to get financially raked over the goals because, frenetic fan syndrome.

Just because the supreme court has ruled in some cases that resale is legal that a band has to succumb to it and allow it.

You are claiming the price is artificially low, because you want it to be higher to basically guarantee your preferred access.  That does not make the condition so.  That is what we call making things up to benefit the argument.

In most cases in a free market society, the individual or individuals producing a product decide what they want to sell it for, if people buy it for that amount the product will continue to be made and bought until no one wants or needs it any longer.  Free markets do not dictate that prices have to be high, the producer of the product can absolutely reject someone trying to pay more for their goods and services.   When a vulture/parasite (or do-gooder re-seller if that is more appropriate) steps in grabs a bunch of a limited supply to create artificial demand to an already fixed supply and thus profit off of something they had ZERO hand in producing - ie they don't put on the show, they don't promote the show, they don't pay the crew, they'd don't pay the venue fees and they don't pay the artist, that is not Capitalism, it is scamonomics.   It is taking advantage of a thing for personal gain in which they had no material right to.  

It is amazing that we have come to a point and time when people are actually arguing that individuals that provide absolutely no function or service other than to profit off of someone else's labor because fans are gullible.

Pearl Jam tickets are not boxes of Cheerios.  Go figure.