10C tickets on stubhub

NewfieintheUSA

Lerxst1992 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Every time I see this thread increasing in pages due to upset fans just sincerely cracks me up how infatuated people are with this topic.

IG, we can discuss without being “upset.”

I find it to be an interesting topic because this band has gone to unique and great lengths to combat this “problem.” Some might  believe they have made the situation exponentially worse with their intervention into the marketplace.

They made it better for a lot of fans by putting more tickets directly into their hands. 

Yes it sucks if you didn't win, there are less tickets available than normal on the secondary market. But I'd rather this outcome of 2.5-3% of tickets on secondary market, than the other with 10% or more on the secondary market.

Lostpawn

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Every time I see this thread increasing in pages due to upset fans just sincerely cracks me up how infatuated people are with this topic.

IG, we can discuss without being “upset.”

I find it to be an interesting topic because this band has gone to unique and great lengths to combat this “problem.” Some might  believe they have made the situation exponentially worse with their intervention into the marketplace.

They made it better for a lot of fans by putting more tickets directly into their hands. 

Yes it sucks if you didn't win, that there are less tickets available than normal on the secondary market. But I'd rather this outcome of 2.5-3% of tickets on secondary market, than the other with 10% or more on the secondary market.

This. People are upset that there aren’t more tickets available on the secondary marketplace, thereby reducing prices and increasing availability to those who didn’t win the lottery. Instead, more tickets were placed in the hands of fan club members who actually did win the lottery. Essentially, people are wishing bad luck on others so that they have a chance to pay extra for their own “good luck”.   

nicknyr15

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

ecdanc

nicknyr15 said:

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

Report them. 

nicknyr15

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

Report them. 

Not really my style. Karma will get them 

RS65573

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

Report them. 

Not really my style. Karma will get them 

I dont think I would have the heart to do it either, but they certainly deserve it. Although upper section I dont think were fanclub seats we they? 300 I thought was verified fan.

nickny15 I really hope you get in. Keep trying. PM me closer to the date if your shut out, if my brother cancels, you can sit 2nd row floor with me. 

nicknyr15

RS65573 said:

nicknyr15 said:

ecdanc said:

nicknyr15 said:

I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price? 

Report them. 

Not really my style. Karma will get them 

I dont think I would have the heart to do it either, but they certainly deserve it. Although upper section I dont think were fanclub seats we they? 300 I thought was verified fan.

nickny15 I really hope you get in. Keep trying. PM me closer to the date if your shut out, if my brother cancels, you can sit 2nd row floor with me. 

It was in the 200s and most definitely a member. Wow thank you so much and thanks for the positive vibes! 

Lerxst1992

Lostpawn said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Every time I see this thread increasing in pages due to upset fans just sincerely cracks me up how infatuated people are with this topic.

IG, we can discuss without being “upset.”

I find it to be an interesting topic because this band has gone to unique and great lengths to combat this “problem.” Some might  believe they have made the situation exponentially worse with their intervention into the marketplace.

They made it better for a lot of fans by putting more tickets directly into their hands. 

Yes it sucks if you didn't win, that there are less tickets available than normal on the secondary market. But I'd rather this outcome of 2.5-3% of tickets on secondary market, than the other with 10% or more on the secondary market.

This. People are upset that there aren’t more tickets available on the secondary marketplace, thereby reducing prices and increasing availability to those who didn’t win the lottery. Instead, more tickets were placed in the hands of fan club members who actually did win the lottery. Essentially, people are wishing bad luck on others so that they have a chance to pay extra for their own “good luck”.   

In most cases fans are going to be at MSG anyway, with the exception of the venue tickets, which will be used by wealthy STH who at best are casual fans. And industry insiders which are numerous in NY 

The only issue is how much are fans willing to pay for resale tix. About 700 tickets have been on stub hub and they are selling and the inventory is churning.  The average listing is $1500. Limitations on the market include limited shows in the region, limited options to buy in other regions (non transferability), private non public distribution of club tickets and threatened retaliation to fans looking to resell. The market did not create these restrictions.  It is responding to the restrictions set in place by the decision makers by driving up the price that real fans are and will be paying. And it's making the scalpers business model much easier.

huntersthompson

Lerxst1992 said:

Lostpawn said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Every time I see this thread increasing in pages due to upset fans just sincerely cracks me up how infatuated people are with this topic.

IG, we can discuss without being “upset.”

I find it to be an interesting topic because this band has gone to unique and great lengths to combat this “problem.” Some might  believe they have made the situation exponentially worse with their intervention into the marketplace.

They made it better for a lot of fans by putting more tickets directly into their hands. 

Yes it sucks if you didn't win, that there are less tickets available than normal on the secondary market. But I'd rather this outcome of 2.5-3% of tickets on secondary market, than the other with 10% or more on the secondary market.

This. People are upset that there aren’t more tickets available on the secondary marketplace, thereby reducing prices and increasing availability to those who didn’t win the lottery. Instead, more tickets were placed in the hands of fan club members who actually did win the lottery. Essentially, people are wishing bad luck on others so that they have a chance to pay extra for their own “good luck”.   

In most cases fans are going to be at MSG anyway, with the exception of the venue tickets, which will be used by wealthy STH who at best are casual fans. And industry insiders which are numerous in NY 

The only issue is how much are fans willing to pay for resale tix. About 700 tickets have been on stub hub and they are selling and the inventory is churning.  The average listing is $1500. Limitations on the market include limited shows in the region, limited options to buy in other regions (non transferability), private non public distribution of club tickets and threatened retaliation to fans looking to resell. The market did not create these restrictions.  It is responding to the restrictions set in place by the decision makers by driving up the price that real fans are and will be paying. And it's making the scalpers business model much easier.

You continue to fail to acknowledge that the reason that there is a smaller secondary market pool is due to PJ's decision to make sure that more tickets got into the hands of fans who, because they are fans and not scalpers, are interested in going to the show.  As someone mentioned earlier, a breakdown of your argument has you 1) hoping that you received tickets to a highly sought after event- 2) when you didn't get tickets you have railed against the system because said system has kept the secondary market tickets to a minimum thereby inflating the cost.  
PJ has done the best they can do in NY and CO and the numbers bear that out.  There are fewer tickets for sale on the secondary market.  It appears as if 97% of the tickets are in the hands of people who intend to attend the show (if 3% of the tickets are on the secondary market-and if those numbers are higher it doesn't torpedo this argument--so don't bother trying to explain why it is 5% or some other number).  
Your position would be 180 degrees different if you had obtained tickets in the lottery...this has seemed to be a case of lottery sour grapes and (unintentionally) bitterness toward the lucky 60% of lottery entrants who received tickets....  It seems that you have been bouncing between the conclusions that PJ should have made more tickets available to scalpers (fewer in the hands of fans) so that you could get a ticket on the secondary market and they should have played some number of additional shows (2...3....more) to drive down the demand by increasing supply.   They will likely do everything they can until the band disbands to keep scalpers from getting tickets and I don't think I would be wrong in concluding that the alluded to Fall Tour will include more tickets for shows in the NE....
As the Rolling Stones said "You can't always get what you want"....but I do hope that you are able to get what you need, which would be tickets to the show in MSG.  Good luck....I really mean that.

IlliniGuy76

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Every time I see this thread increasing in pages due to upset fans just sincerely cracks me up how infatuated people are with this topic.

IG, we can discuss without being “upset.”

I find it to be an interesting topic because this band has gone to unique and great lengths to combat this “problem.” Some might  believe they have made the situation exponentially worse with their intervention into the marketplace.

They made it better for a lot of fans by putting more tickets directly into their hands. 

Yes it sucks if you didn't win, there are less tickets available than normal on the secondary market. But I'd rather this outcome of 2.5-3% of tickets on secondary market, than the other with 10% or more on the secondary market.

Bingo.  There's really nothing to discuss, frankly.  The band HAVE gone through great lengths to get tickets into the hands of their fans - both because they actually want fans at the show and because the constant complaints some have given on the topic.  There's literally NOTHING more that can be done to combat those that actually want to post on third party sites to resell their tickets.

Lerxst1992

Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.

The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.

PB11041

Lerxst1992 said:

Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.

The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.

you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market.   This IS THE MARKET.  They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace.   That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.  

blackhawks

Don’t the states that have laws on resale like NY make this thread kind of pointless?  PJ doesn’t supersede law.

mace1229

I havent been able to find the wording of those laws, But I would think the F2F would count for transferability. I would also then think that PJ could determine how that can happen. Unless the law specifies that the entertainer has no right to be involved in the process at all and set limits.

Lerxst1992

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.

The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.

you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market.   This IS THE MARKET.  They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace.   That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.  

They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic. 

Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"

Did I say it wasn't within their right?

Lerxst1992

huntersthompson said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Lostpawn said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Every time I see this thread increasing in pages due to upset fans just sincerely cracks me up how infatuated people are with this topic.

IG, we can discuss without being “upset.”

I find it to be an interesting topic because this band has gone to unique and great lengths to combat this “problem.” Some might  believe they have made the situation exponentially worse with their intervention into the marketplace.

They made it better for a lot of fans by putting more tickets directly into their hands. 

Yes it sucks if you didn't win, that there are less tickets available than normal on the secondary market. But I'd rather this outcome of 2.5-3% of tickets on secondary market, than the other with 10% or more on the secondary market.

This. People are upset that there aren’t more tickets available on the secondary marketplace, thereby reducing prices and increasing availability to those who didn’t win the lottery. Instead, more tickets were placed in the hands of fan club members who actually did win the lottery. Essentially, people are wishing bad luck on others so that they have a chance to pay extra for their own “good luck”.   

In most cases fans are going to be at MSG anyway, with the exception of the venue tickets, which will be used by wealthy STH who at best are casual fans. And industry insiders which are numerous in NY 

The only issue is how much are fans willing to pay for resale tix. About 700 tickets have been on stub hub and they are selling and the inventory is churning.  The average listing is $1500. Limitations on the market include limited shows in the region, limited options to buy in other regions (non transferability), private non public distribution of club tickets and threatened retaliation to fans looking to resell. The market did not create these restrictions.  It is responding to the restrictions set in place by the decision makers by driving up the price that real fans are and will be paying. And it's making the scalpers business model much easier.

You continue to fail to acknowledge that the reason that there is a smaller secondary market pool is due to PJ's decision to make sure that more tickets got into the hands of fans who, because they are fans and not scalpers, are interested in going to the show.  As someone mentioned earlier, a breakdown of your argument has you 1) hoping that you received tickets to a highly sought after event- 2) when you didn't get tickets you have railed against the system because said system has kept the secondary market tickets to a minimum thereby inflating the cost.  
PJ has done the best they can do in NY and CO and the numbers bear that out.  There are fewer tickets for sale on the secondary market.  It appears as if 97% of the tickets are in the hands of people who intend to attend the show (if 3% of the tickets are on the secondary market-and if those numbers are higher it doesn't torpedo this argument--so don't bother trying to explain why it is 5% or some other number).  
Your position would be 180 degrees different if you had obtained tickets in the lottery...this has seemed to be a case of lottery sour grapes and (unintentionally) bitterness toward the lucky 60% of lottery entrants who received tickets....  It seems that you have been bouncing between the conclusions that PJ should have made more tickets available to scalpers (fewer in the hands of fans) so that you could get a ticket on the secondary market and they should have played some number of additional shows (2...3....more) to drive down the demand by increasing supply.   They will likely do everything they can until the band disbands to keep scalpers from getting tickets and I don't think I would be wrong in concluding that the alluded to Fall Tour will include more tickets for shows in the NE....
As the Rolling Stones said "You can't always get what you want"....but I do hope that you are able to get what you need, which would be tickets to the show in MSG.  Good luck....I really mean that.

How much of your comment is true? I do have access to face value tickets and will probably be going to one show. So much for that thesis above.

Die hard fans like to proclaim they are  very successful in restricting their marketplace for their tickets. I have a different opinion.

PB11041

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.

The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.

you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market.   This IS THE MARKET.  They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace.   That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.  

They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic. 

Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"

Did I say it wasn't within their right?

when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right.  What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business.   That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders. 

in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show.  Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.

PJNB

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.

The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.

you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market.   This IS THE MARKET.  They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace.   That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.  

They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic. 

Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"

Did I say it wasn't within their right?

when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right.  What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business.   That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders. 

in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show.  Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.

Well said! 

huntersthompson

Lerxst1992 said:

huntersthompson said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Lostpawn said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

Lerxst1992 said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

Every time I see this thread increasing in pages due to upset fans just sincerely cracks me up how infatuated people are with this topic.

IG, we can discuss without being “upset.”

I find it to be an interesting topic because this band has gone to unique and great lengths to combat this “problem.” Some might  believe they have made the situation exponentially worse with their intervention into the marketplace.

They made it better for a lot of fans by putting more tickets directly into their hands. 

Yes it sucks if you didn't win, that there are less tickets available than normal on the secondary market. But I'd rather this outcome of 2.5-3% of tickets on secondary market, than the other with 10% or more on the secondary market.

This. People are upset that there aren’t more tickets available on the secondary marketplace, thereby reducing prices and increasing availability to those who didn’t win the lottery. Instead, more tickets were placed in the hands of fan club members who actually did win the lottery. Essentially, people are wishing bad luck on others so that they have a chance to pay extra for their own “good luck”.   

In most cases fans are going to be at MSG anyway, with the exception of the venue tickets, which will be used by wealthy STH who at best are casual fans. And industry insiders which are numerous in NY 

The only issue is how much are fans willing to pay for resale tix. About 700 tickets have been on stub hub and they are selling and the inventory is churning.  The average listing is $1500. Limitations on the market include limited shows in the region, limited options to buy in other regions (non transferability), private non public distribution of club tickets and threatened retaliation to fans looking to resell. The market did not create these restrictions.  It is responding to the restrictions set in place by the decision makers by driving up the price that real fans are and will be paying. And it's making the scalpers business model much easier.

You continue to fail to acknowledge that the reason that there is a smaller secondary market pool is due to PJ's decision to make sure that more tickets got into the hands of fans who, because they are fans and not scalpers, are interested in going to the show.  As someone mentioned earlier, a breakdown of your argument has you 1) hoping that you received tickets to a highly sought after event- 2) when you didn't get tickets you have railed against the system because said system has kept the secondary market tickets to a minimum thereby inflating the cost.  
PJ has done the best they can do in NY and CO and the numbers bear that out.  There are fewer tickets for sale on the secondary market.  It appears as if 97% of the tickets are in the hands of people who intend to attend the show (if 3% of the tickets are on the secondary market-and if those numbers are higher it doesn't torpedo this argument--so don't bother trying to explain why it is 5% or some other number).  
Your position would be 180 degrees different if you had obtained tickets in the lottery...this has seemed to be a case of lottery sour grapes and (unintentionally) bitterness toward the lucky 60% of lottery entrants who received tickets....  It seems that you have been bouncing between the conclusions that PJ should have made more tickets available to scalpers (fewer in the hands of fans) so that you could get a ticket on the secondary market and they should have played some number of additional shows (2...3....more) to drive down the demand by increasing supply.   They will likely do everything they can until the band disbands to keep scalpers from getting tickets and I don't think I would be wrong in concluding that the alluded to Fall Tour will include more tickets for shows in the NE....
As the Rolling Stones said "You can't always get what you want"....but I do hope that you are able to get what you need, which would be tickets to the show in MSG.  Good luck....I really mean that.

How much of your comment is true? I do have access to face value tickets and will probably be going to one show. So much for that thesis above.

Die hard fans like to proclaim they are  very successful in restricting their marketplace for their tickets. I have a different opinion.

All of it is true....I have attentively read nearly all of your posts on this topic in an attempt to figure out your position and I think that I have (not very) succinctly summarized it.  Congrats on probably getting tickets to a show...I don't know where I indicated in my "thesis" that you were not going to get a ticket...and it doesn't come as a shock that you will be able to get one at face value.  That was not the point of the "thesis"....
If the "they" you refer to is PJ, I think that you would have to acknowledge that, for this leg of the tour, they have been very successful in restricting the scalper marketplace for their tickets as evidenced by:
1. No secondary activity in any of the venues outside of NY and CO
2. Only limited secondary activity in NY and CO

Lerxst1992

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.

The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.

you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market.   This IS THE MARKET.  They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace.   That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.  

They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic. 

Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"

Did I say it wasn't within their right?

when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right.  What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business.   That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders. 

in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show.  Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.

I dont believe it's fair to call artists lazy or resellers vultures. In many cases resellers are providing a service to customers when no other options exist and helping artists learn what is the true market value of their tickets. Most are not as successful as PJ and this info is valuable for them. The Supreme Court has ruled in most cases resale is legal. I am not aware of a specific limitation on concert tickets, but obviously artist can try to limit resale to their events by essentially making it a private event.

By setting an artificially low price to their tickets, I am calling that " interference " with the market. This helps increase demand and reduce supply, which is having an impact on resale prices. In most cases in a capitalist society, markets set prices. PJ clearly doesnt want this to occur. They can limit it in most places but not eliminate it. And in NY and CO, there were over two thousand tickets available for resale. There are also tickets available online for every other show, perhaps a couple hundred per on average.

Limiting supply and increasing demand is having an obvious impact on the prices of these tickets.