10C tickets on stubhub

zman

how does 10C plan on dealing with all the resale tickets on stubhub?  i mean its obvious the GA tickets for MSG came from 10C. anyone have any insight on how they plan on tackling this problem. we all have to jump through all these hoops, if its all for not, then why even bother, and just go back to the old paper tickets. 

Zod

I don't think they can.  The whole reason they are available for MSG is because New York has a law saying the tickets are transferable.  That's why they are locked down so well in the other states.

I suppose they could buy the tickets and try to track their origin and kickout the 10c member, but I don't think that does much.   They can sign up again... maybe under a pseudonym.

nicknyr15

zman said:

how does 10C plan on dealing with all the resale tickets on stubhub?  i mean its obvious the GA tickets for MSG came from 10C. anyone have any insight on how they plan on tackling this problem. we all have to jump through all these hoops, if its all for not, then why even bother, and just go back to the old paper tickets. 

The minute seat locations were revealed, a ton of tickets hit stubhub. This is no surprise. Like any other large group of people, there are good and bad. “10c members” financially exploit the band all the time whether it’s merch or tickets. Luckily, There are still a nice amount of great people here that would never consider flipping a ticket to another member. 

brianwilson

How do they make tickets non-transferable anyways, cuz you just take a screenshot and send the pic?  

gettingright

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

kotton_crown

brianwilson said:

How do they make tickets non-transferable anyways, cuz you just take a screenshot and send the pic?  

The barcode dynamically changes so screenshots don’t work anymore. I know it work in 2018 with the ballpark shows.

Evel K

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Lowlight

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

mpedone

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

ecdanc

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

SJ54844

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

What happens if you transfer your 10c for face using F2F or cashortrade.org then the next person sells those 10c seats for over face value, what happens then? Kind of worried about that. Obviously only possible for Denver and MSG shows.  I am trying to sell mine to a friend so I don’t get caught up with someone abusing the rules on my original tickets. 

IlliniGuy76

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

THIS
Stubhub and other third party resale sites wouldn't be in existence if State Law allowed for prosecutors to go over people selling tickets on their platform.  

pjl44

SJ54844 said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

What happens if you transfer your 10c for face using F2F or cashortrade.org then the next person sells those 10c seats for over face value, what happens then? Kind of worried about that. Obviously only possible for Denver and MSG shows.  I am trying to sell mine to a friend so I don’t get caught up with someone abusing the rules on my original tickets. 

This would definitely be a concern for me. If I was selling extras, it would be to someone I know or someone on here with a solid reputation. 

pjl44

Evel K said:

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Unless 10C follows through on voiding the tickets

Clapper

pjl44 said:

Evel K said:

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Unless 10C follows through on voiding the tickets

I’m not sure they are actually allowed to void tickets,  especially when the tickets are for places like CO or NY where there are legal parameters for re-sale.  They can definitely revoke membership from the club though. 

afgpj

Over 60 GA tix for MSG currently listed.  It’s a shame these are not in the hands of 10c members(real fans).

afgpj

I ended up in the nosebleeds at MSG, which I expected with a high 10c number.  

But my chances at GA were reduced because of this nonsense.

SJ54844

Clapper said:

pjl44 said:

Evel K said:

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Unless 10C follows through on voiding the tickets

I’m not sure they are actually allowed to void tickets,  especially when the tickets are for places like CO or NY where there are legal parameters for re-sale.  They can definitely revoke membership from the club though. 

There can rules placed upon tickets in Colorado. The venue in Aspen, Belly Up, requires face value ticket exchange. Same as 10c. 

pjl44

Clapper said:

pjl44 said:

Evel K said:

The only problem I see here is people can join a week before, scalp their tickets, get caught, get banned and re-join with someone else's info in the fall. If they start 5 new numbers for MSG, and one pair of tickets gets through they've made a profit and will try again.

Unless 10C follows through on voiding the tickets

I’m not sure they are actually allowed to void tickets,  especially when the tickets are for places like CO or NY where there are legal parameters for re-sale.  They can definitely revoke membership from the club though. 

Yeah, I have no idea if that affects their ability to cancel the order

mpedone

IlliniGuy76 said:

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

THIS
Stubhub and other third party resale sites wouldn't be in existence if State Law allowed for prosecutors to go over people selling tickets on their platform.  

Yeah, looking more into this, it looks like the law is still on the books (maybe), but doesn't apply to StubHub because they're a "licensed reseller"? On their site, they do say that if you're selling tickets, you are "responsible for complying with applicable ticket resale laws", but I'm having trouble determining exactly what those are in regards to pricing. From what I read, resellers aren't allowed to charge a "premium" but can charge for "services".

I'm going to take the safe route and assume I was wrong about everything.

ecdanc

mpedone said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

THIS
Stubhub and other third party resale sites wouldn't be in existence if State Law allowed for prosecutors to go over people selling tickets on their platform.  

Yeah, looking more into this, it looks like the law is still on the books (maybe), but doesn't apply to StubHub because they're a "licensed reseller"? On their site, they do say that if you're selling tickets, you are "responsible for complying with applicable ticket resale laws", but I'm having trouble determining exactly what those are in regards to pricing. From what I read, resellers aren't allowed to charge a "premium" but can charge for "services".

I'm going to take the safe route and assume I was wrong about everything.

There have been no limits on secondary ticket markup in New York since 2007. https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

mpedone

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

THIS
Stubhub and other third party resale sites wouldn't be in existence if State Law allowed for prosecutors to go over people selling tickets on their platform.  

Yeah, looking more into this, it looks like the law is still on the books (maybe), but doesn't apply to StubHub because they're a "licensed reseller"? On their site, they do say that if you're selling tickets, you are "responsible for complying with applicable ticket resale laws", but I'm having trouble determining exactly what those are in regards to pricing. From what I read, resellers aren't allowed to charge a "premium" but can charge for "services".

I'm going to take the safe route and assume I was wrong about everything.

There have been no limits on secondary ticket markup in New York since 2007. https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

Wow. So I was even more wrong than I thought.

ecdanc

mpedone said:

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

IlliniGuy76 said:

ecdanc said:

mpedone said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

Not to mention, while NY state law mandates that tickets be transferable, there are still laws on the books regarding scalping. I believe the law in NY is that any sale over 10% above face value is considered scalping and can be punished.

Not any longer

THIS
Stubhub and other third party resale sites wouldn't be in existence if State Law allowed for prosecutors to go over people selling tickets on their platform.  

Yeah, looking more into this, it looks like the law is still on the books (maybe), but doesn't apply to StubHub because they're a "licensed reseller"? On their site, they do say that if you're selling tickets, you are "responsible for complying with applicable ticket resale laws", but I'm having trouble determining exactly what those are in regards to pricing. From what I read, resellers aren't allowed to charge a "premium" but can charge for "services".

I'm going to take the safe route and assume I was wrong about everything.

There have been no limits on secondary ticket markup in New York since 2007. https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

Wow. So I was even more wrong than I thought.

No worries. I remain surprised (annoyed?) by the direction the laws have gone. So it goes. 

mace1229

SJ54844 said:

Lowlight said:

gettingright said:

People do get caught. The ex-husband of someone I work with got booted several years ago trying to sell wrigley takes over face. I don’t know they got caught, just that they did and had tickets revoked and received a lifetime ban. 

So it happens.

I am curious, however, how the state law may or may not trump the 10C policy tickets can’t be sold over face value. Like if someone in NY or CO sells over face, gets caught and has tickets revoked, and then sues 10C for their action, who would win?

10C.  When you sign up for membership you are entering into a contract with 10C and agree to the rules - one of which is you cannot sell over face.

The state law protects anyone who transfers tickets, meaning Ticketmaster can not prevent those tickets from being transferred, but does not trump 10C revoking your membership and tickets if you void the contract.

What happens if you transfer your 10c for face using F2F or cashortrade.org then the next person sells those 10c seats for over face value, what happens then? Kind of worried about that. Obviously only possible for Denver and MSG shows.  I am trying to sell mine to a friend so I don’t get caught up with someone abusing the rules on my original tickets. 

There would be a record of  you selling on F2F or anywhere else. Just show your receipt that shows you sold for face and you’d be fine.

Lerxst1992

In addition to all the 10c GA tickets on stubhub, about 350 tickets landed there on friday, the same day 10c seat locations were distributed 

Many of these are seats in the 200s row 16 and higher.

This seems to indicate they are 10c burner accounts. Poor seat location = high membership number.

They pay the $20 for a few years and unload a pair for $1000. 

Membership gets deleted. Rinse wash repeat. Membership dues driving up ticket prices.

PJNB

Lerxst1992 said:

In addition to all the 10c GA tickets on stubhub, about 350 tickets landed there on friday, the same day 10c seat locations were distributed 

Many of these are seats in the 200s row 16 and higher.

This seems to indicate they are 10c burner accounts. Poor seat location = high membership number.

They pay the $20 for a few years and unload a pair for $1000. 

Membership gets deleted. Rinse wash repeat. Membership dues driving up ticket prices.

This is happening for sure and not sure how 10 club can combat this with the NY laws. 

RP112579

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

In addition to all the 10c GA tickets on stubhub, about 350 tickets landed there on friday, the same day 10c seat locations were distributed 

Many of these are seats in the 200s row 16 and higher.

This seems to indicate they are 10c burner accounts. Poor seat location = high membership number.

They pay the $20 for a few years and unload a pair for $1000. 

Membership gets deleted. Rinse wash repeat. Membership dues driving up ticket prices.

This is happening for sure and not sure how 10 club can combat this with the NY laws. 

You already know he's going to tell you that they could combat it by playing 25 shows at MSG.

Lerxst1992

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

In addition to all the 10c GA tickets on stubhub, about 350 tickets landed there on friday, the same day 10c seat locations were distributed 

Many of these are seats in the 200s row 16 and higher.

This seems to indicate they are 10c burner accounts. Poor seat location = high membership number.

They pay the $20 for a few years and unload a pair for $1000. 

Membership gets deleted. Rinse wash repeat. Membership dues driving up ticket prices.

This is happening for sure and not sure how 10 club can combat this with the NY laws. 

Cant it happen anywhere with a burner TM and 10c accounts? There are tickets for the other USA shows available on broker sites, just not on SH.

PJNB

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

In addition to all the 10c GA tickets on stubhub, about 350 tickets landed there on friday, the same day 10c seat locations were distributed 

Many of these are seats in the 200s row 16 and higher.

This seems to indicate they are 10c burner accounts. Poor seat location = high membership number.

They pay the $20 for a few years and unload a pair for $1000. 

Membership gets deleted. Rinse wash repeat. Membership dues driving up ticket prices.

This is happening for sure and not sure how 10 club can combat this with the NY laws. 

Cant it happen anywhere with a burner TM and 10c accounts? There are tickets for the other USA shows available on broker sites, just not on SH.

Yes it can but the ease of Stub Hub and the huge demand for shows in MSG it makes it a lot worse for those that are trying to get 10 Club tickets and actually want to go to the show. People on the outside are going to see these scalping prices this tour and its only going to get worse imo. 

Clapper

Lerxst1992 said:

In addition to all the 10c GA tickets on stubhub, about 350 tickets landed there on friday, the same day 10c seat locations were distributed 

I may be looking at it through rose coloured glasses as someone who 10C MSG tickets but if lets say 500 tickets end up on Stub Hub, that's like 2.5% of the 20k seat capacity at MSG.   Considering the demand for the show, local laws and the size of the market, I feel like 2.5% is a win for us as fans and for the system that put in place. 

whitepants

I really do feel bad for NYC fans. That is just so wrong. I live in LA now, so thankfully we don't have that re-sell problem. 

I'm just grateful I saw PJ at MSG in '98 and at Jones Beach in '00. If the LORD wants me to see them in NY again in the future, SHE will make it happen.