10C tickets on stubhub
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See: helping people identify the problem.nicknyr15 said:
Not for me. It’s the only way I will get into the show. Unless I get lucky with a TC member, which doesn’t look likely. So I’m good. Thanks.ecdanc said:
There seem to be plenty of people here that think the secondary market is a problem.nicknyr15 said:
There’s no problem. 10c members scalp and flip all the time. Most don’t, some do. It’s my problem to deal with and my choice to report it or not.ecdanc said:
Just helping everyone here identify the problem.nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?0 -
If you took all the tickets off stubhub and gave them to us, there would still be thousands of people who want to go, and then Nicky wouldn't even have the *option* to purchase a ticket on the secondary market.ecdanc said:
See: helping people identify the problem.nicknyr15 said:
Not for me. It’s the only way I will get into the show. Unless I get lucky with a TC member, which doesn’t look likely. So I’m good. Thanks.ecdanc said:
There seem to be plenty of people here that think the secondary market is a problem.nicknyr15 said:
There’s no problem. 10c members scalp and flip all the time. Most don’t, some do. It’s my problem to deal with and my choice to report it or not.ecdanc said:
Just helping everyone here identify the problem.nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
There will never be enough tickets for everyone who wants to see them unless they only play stadiums and festivals.Dallas 2013
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PJattheGorge said:Lerxst1992 said:PB11041 said:
when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right. What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business. That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders.Lerxst1992 said:
They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic.PB11041 said:
you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market. This IS THE MARKET. They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace. That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.Lerxst1992 said:Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.
The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.
Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"
Did I say it wasn't within their right?
in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show. Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.
I dont believe it's fair to call artists lazy or resellers vultures. In many cases resellers are providing a service to customers when no other options exist and helping artists learn what is the true market value of their tickets. Most are not as successful as PJ and this info is valuable for them. The Supreme Court has ruled in most cases resale is legal. I am not aware of a specific limitation on concert tickets, but obviously artist can try to limit resale to their events by essentially making it a private event.
By setting an artificially low price to their tickets, I am calling that " interference " with the market. This helps increase demand and reduce supply, which is having an impact on resale prices. In most cases in a capitalist society, markets set prices. PJ clearly doesnt want this to occur. They can limit it in most places but not eliminate it. And in NY and CO, there were over two thousand tickets available for resale. There are also tickets available online for every other show, perhaps a couple hundred per on average.
Limiting supply and increasing demand is having an obvious impact on the prices of these tickets.
Your arguments get stupider and stupider the longer you keep going. They have been slightly entertaining for a few days, but now they are just boring. Thanks for your opinion. Now go troll on another page.
People who attack others are trolls. People who cite facts are smart.
Why is it only comments that support the band get moderated?
Thanks for possibly getting this topic shut down.
Obviously you have no idea whatsoever of the laws of supply and demand nor the First Sale Doctrine
That gives me the right to resell a cd of any recorded performance of PJ I legally purchased. What my earlier comment mentions is that I am unfamiliar with the Court ruling of how this Doctrine is applied to entertainment tickets.
Since their live performances end up for sale, and I have the right to resell physical copies of that recording, it's certainly an interesting argument that the actual recording of their live CDs fall under First Sale.0 -
nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.0 -
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.0 -
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Well said. We all love Pearl Jam, but there are are SO many of us. We're not a totally homogeneous fanbase. As much as we have in common, we come from different places and perspectives, which is okay.Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.Dallas 2013
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PJNB said:
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Excellent analogy. Plane tickets are available from the carriers and many different aggregate sites. Plane tickets cost also increases and decreases based on supply and demand
Concert tickets are usually available from one source. And usually a set price.0 -
You obviously have not been following TM dynamic pricing.Lerxst1992 said:PJNB said:
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Excellent analogy. Plane tickets are available from the carriers and many different aggregate sites. Plane tickets cost also increases and decreases based on supply and demand
Concert tickets are usually available from one source. And usually a set price.
Wait you actually have....0 -
You’re wasting your time.PJNB said:
You obviously have not been following TM dynamic pricing.Lerxst1992 said:PJNB said:
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Excellent analogy. Plane tickets are available from the carriers and many different aggregate sites. Plane tickets cost also increases and decreases based on supply and demand
Concert tickets are usually available from one source. And usually a set price.
Wait you actually have....Camden 2 2006, Newark 2010, Barclays 2 2013, Central Park 2015, MSG 2 2016, Wrigley 1 2016, Rome 2018, Prague 2018, Asbury Park 2021, EV & Earthlings NYC 1 2022, MSG 2022, Louisville 2022, Dublin 2024, MSG 1 2024, MSG 2 20240 -
tdawe said:
You’re wasting your time.PJNB said:
You obviously have not been following TM dynamic pricing.Lerxst1992 said:PJNB said:
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Excellent analogy. Plane tickets are available from the carriers and many different aggregate sites. Plane tickets cost also increases and decreases based on supply and demand
Concert tickets are usually available from one source. And usually a set price.
Wait you actually have....
Yes it is a complete waste. We are too busy with endless song requests to read and bullying a stupid member like me who believes some level of a safe free market ticketing system is a good thing in the United States.
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Well said!! SInce I was denied on my first attempt at at MSG show, if there is another MSG show in the future, I pray that the stars will align next time and that SHE will help me get a seat at the show!!whitepants said:I really do feel bad for NYC fans. That is just so wrong. I live in LA now, so thankfully we don't have that re-sell problem.
I'm just grateful I saw PJ at MSG in '98 and at Jones Beach in '00. If the LORD wants me to see them in NY again in the future, SHE will make it happen.
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PJNB said:
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Billy Joel's mostly sold out 2/20 MSG show cheapest ticket on Ticketmaster right now is $101+ fees and $62+ on stub hub. Similar seats.
Why is incumbent on many others here to attack and belittle without facts? Tdaweville?0 -
Resellers are fucking vultures. They are parasites. They created a "business" to appease frenetic fans that would pay more than the artist has decided they want to accept in order profit off of something that is NOT FUCKING THEIRS!Lerxst1992 said:PB11041 said:
when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right. What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business. That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders.Lerxst1992 said:
They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic.PB11041 said:
you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market. This IS THE MARKET. They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace. That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.Lerxst1992 said:Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.
The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.
Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"
Did I say it wasn't within their right?
in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show. Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.
I dont believe it's fair to call artists lazy or resellers vultures. In many cases resellers are providing a service to customers when no other options exist and helping artists learn what is the true market value of their tickets. Most are not as successful as PJ and this info is valuable for them. The Supreme Court has ruled in most cases resale is legal. I am not aware of a specific limitation on concert tickets, but obviously artist can try to limit resale to their events by essentially making it a private event.
By setting an artificially low price to their tickets, I am calling that " interference " with the market. This helps increase demand and reduce supply, which is having an impact on resale prices. In most cases in a capitalist society, markets set prices. PJ clearly doesnt want this to occur. They can limit it in most places but not eliminate it. And in NY and CO, there were over two thousand tickets available for resale. There are also tickets available online for every other show, perhaps a couple hundred per on average.
Limiting supply and increasing demand is having an obvious impact on the prices of these tickets.
The secondary market is not a true value it is a distorted view of the value based on the same thing you keep reaching back to, limited supply and high demand. The concert industry has been plagued by this for years because inherently, certain shows have insane demand, and in places such as New York City and the greater metro area, there are a shit ton of people and a lot of people with excessive disposable income within that shit ton and then also suckers who are willing to get financially raked over the goals because, frenetic fan syndrome.
Just because the supreme court has ruled in some cases that resale is legal that a band has to succumb to it and allow it.
You are claiming the price is artificially low, because you want it to be higher to basically guarantee your preferred access. That does not make the condition so. That is what we call making things up to benefit the argument.
In most cases in a free market society, the individual or individuals producing a product decide what they want to sell it for, if people buy it for that amount the product will continue to be made and bought until no one wants or needs it any longer. Free markets do not dictate that prices have to be high, the producer of the product can absolutely reject someone trying to pay more for their goods and services. When a vulture/parasite (or do-gooder re-seller if that is more appropriate) steps in grabs a bunch of a limited supply to create artificial demand to an already fixed supply and thus profit off of something they had ZERO hand in producing - ie they don't put on the show, they don't promote the show, they don't pay the crew, they'd don't pay the venue fees and they don't pay the artist, that is not Capitalism, it is scamonomics. It is taking advantage of a thing for personal gain in which they had no material right to.
It is amazing that we have come to a point and time when people are actually arguing that individuals that provide absolutely no function or service other than to profit off of someone else's labor because fans are gullible.
Pearl Jam tickets are not boxes of Cheerios. Go figure.His eminence has yet to show.
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Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Probably because this has been pretty normal here for a while, both because fans are willing to travel, and because there are a lot of fans who don't live in the Northeast.
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He plays there once a month....call up the guys in PJ and ask them to drop by NY once a month....there is your endless supply...and, as we have been so eloquently told in this thread, demand should drop allowing people to buy a $120 ticket for $70 on stubhub....Lerxst1992 said:PJNB said:
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Billy Joel's mostly sold out 2/20 MSG show cheapest ticket on Ticketmaster right now is $101+ fees and $62+ on stub hub. Similar seats.
Why is incumbent on many others here to attack and belittle without facts? Tdaweville?0 -
It is certainly okay if you want to justify paying 6x what the producer of a product has decided they want to accept for their product and give that approximately $600ish dollars to somebody who eats carcasses.Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
But in a free market or capitalist society spending money to travel benefits
-the airlines who operate a business and supports employees
-the hotels who operate a business and support employees
-the restaurants, shops, tourism sites, etc etal
The great do-gooder re-seller getting $625 to basically fuck with peoples minds because eh, they have worked at manipulating the system, what an enormous value to the greater society they provide.His eminence has yet to show.
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huntersthompson said:
He plays there once a month....call up the guys in PJ and ask them to drop by NY once a month....there is your endless supply...and, as we have been so eloquently told in this thread, demand should drop allowing people to buy a $120 ticket for $70 on stubhub....Lerxst1992 said:PJNB said:
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Billy Joel's mostly sold out 2/20 MSG show cheapest ticket on Ticketmaster right now is $101+ fees and $62+ on stub hub. Similar seats.
Why is incumbent on many others here to attack and belittle without facts? Tdaweville?
His eminence has yet to show.
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huntersthompson said:
He plays there once a month....call up the guys in PJ and ask them to drop by NY once a month....there is your endless supply...and, as we have been so eloquently told in this thread, demand should drop allowing people to buy a $120 ticket for $70 on stubhub....Lerxst1992 said:PJNB said:
Could you imagine a world where people buy up seats on a plane and flip them on planehub for a profit. That would be an amazing service to us people looking to fly around the world!Lerxst1992 said:nicknyr15 said:
What does it matter to you?ecdanc said:
Are you saying you're unwilling to buy their tickets or that you didn't like their price?nicknyr15 said:
Yes of course. If I have to. Just didn’t expect it to be on here.ecdanc said:
Are you willing to pay over face value?nicknyr15 said:
I hear you. It actually happened again, different t person, on these very boards today through pm. Sucks when you get super excited only to then get disappointed by greed.pjl44 said:
Man, I would report that in a second. Especially if I lost the lottery and that person took a pair that could have been mine. That's someone who needs to be out of the pool.nicknyr15 said:
Not really my style. Karma will get themecdanc said:
Report them.nicknyr15 said:I had a ten club member offer my wife a pair in the upper section at msg fir $400Each. Acted like they were doing us a favor because those tickets were $550 each on stubhub. But doesn’t stub hub take a fee off of your sale price?
The culture here is certainly unique. It's a "problem" if you legally pay $750 for a resale ticket, but if you spend $1000 or $10,000 to travel because the band never satisfies demand in your hometown, then its ok.
Billy Joel's mostly sold out 2/20 MSG show cheapest ticket on Ticketmaster right now is $101+ fees and $62+ on stub hub. Similar seats.
Why is incumbent on many others here to attack and belittle without facts? Tdaweville?
That's basically what he wants, which strikes me as the definition of entitlement. It's the attitude of "The band should do THIS to satisfy ME."
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PB11041 said:Lerxst1992 said:PB11041 said:
when you keep saying things like "intervene" as in, "Pearl Jam Intervened with the market" - it kinda sounds like you are at least insinuating that they don't have that right. What I am saying is they did not intervene, they got sick of being told they can't set their market conditions. That is not intervention, that is setting the grounds for how they do business. That every other band is inherently lazy in how they do this, because it takes work is on them, as much as it was 25 years ago when everyone but Neil Young basically shrugged their shoulders.Lerxst1992 said:
They placed restrictions on their ticketing unlike any other band and they have resale prices unlike any other band. There are resale tickets available for all the shows, they only made it difficult to find because they're not on stubhub.To believe they can fully dictate a market is unrealistic.PB11041 said:
you keep saying things like "intervene" is if pearl jam has no right to set controls on their own market. This IS THE MARKET. They did not intervene, they have dictated the rules of their marketplace. That New York is a screwed up outlier is a small price to pay for how many tickets got in fans hands.Lerxst1992 said:Their fans are going no matter what, with the exception of STHs and industry tickets.
The only question is how much will the unlucky fans pay. Bands that dont "intervene" in the market present secondary options for fans as a last resort for less than this band does, historically. And it's off the charts this tour. This will attract even more scalpers seeking huge margins in the future.
Edit, is it fair to put words in another fans "mouth?"
Did I say it wasn't within their right?
in so far as fully dictate a market, it may be unrealistic, but it sure beats the apathy that allows vultures to assist in resetting the terms of how a fan can get a ticket to a show. Any fan that is willing to pay for access to a resellers Ticketmaster account for the duration of a show that doesn't accept the extremely high likelihood that they are going to get scammed or locked out of the venue is on them.
I dont believe it's fair to call artists lazy or resellers vultures. In many cases resellers are providing a service to customers when no other options exist and helping artists learn what is the true market value of their tickets. Most are not as successful as PJ and this info is valuable for them. The Supreme Court has ruled in most cases resale is legal. I am not aware of a specific limitation on concert tickets, but obviously artist can try to limit resale to their events by essentially making it a private event.
By setting an artificially low price to their tickets, I am calling that " interference " with the market. This helps increase demand and reduce supply, which is having an impact on resale prices. In most cases in a capitalist society, markets set prices. PJ clearly doesnt want this to occur. They can limit it in most places but not eliminate it. And in NY and CO, there were over two thousand tickets available for resale. There are also tickets available online for every other show, perhaps a couple hundred per on average.
Limiting supply and increasing demand is having an obvious impact on the prices of these tickets.
You are claiming the price is artificially low, because you want it to be higher to basically guarantee your preferred access. That does not make the condition so. That is what we call making things up to benefit the argument.
It is amazing that we have come to a point and time when people are actually arguing that individuals that provide absolutely no function or service other than to profit off of someone else's labor because fans are gullible.
Pearl Jam tickets are not boxes of Cheerios. Go figure.
Hey man I appreciate that comment. And many misrepresent why I stubbornly stick to my guns here. I am sticking to what I believe to be honest and true, hoping to stick to facts.
I cut down your comment where you addressed what I want. I think I mentioned I have access to an out of town ticket but am looking at resale tix if I can get in for what my ticket + travel + inconvenience of a long drive would be. That could very well be $700+ on stub hub. Not exactly what I want but might be best option.
I dont want higher ticket prices. I am just noting we are seeing a very low face price here (in comparison to what other A list acts charge).
And I agree tickets are not a box of cheerios. Very funny line. But recorded music is subject to legal resale and "vultures" do make a ton of $ on vintage music. And there are times stub offers a valuable service, such as the Joel tickets I cited earlier.0
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