The Democratic Presidential Debates
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mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:Regarding your point, I think communism, as it were, could probably be fine in a small group of people. But in a nation state, it has utterly failed.
I'll give it to you, your take on human nature makes me chuckle. I was just typing up some notes for my graduate students about the myth of human nature and how, in my class, they don't get to disagree with that position.
2) You still have not provided a persuasive argument that Communism has succeeded for a nation.
2) I haven't tried to.
I mean, you seem to imagine higher education as a space where all ideas (no matter how inane) should be treated equally.
Now, I know I can't find one true astrologist or geologist that argues the Earth is flat, so using your comparison as the jumping off point, I should not be able to find an humanities/philosophy academic that disagrees with your unassailable statement."...when you write your own work, you need to keep in mind that your goal is to learn--and to stay within--our current epistemological boundaries. I'm going to put this as directly as I possibly can: [our text] outlines five foundational assumptions . . . . These are not something with which you get to disagree. Sure, you can personally disagree with them; but as a student in this discipline, you must accept them in order to produce any work that will count as knowledge. Just like current scientists have rejected much of 1950s science, current . . . . scholars have rejected [certain ideas]."
But, to perhaps move us forward, do you have a list of the academic disciplines that get to have epistemologies and which ones don't? Put differently, what are the areas in which you would actually admit that someone can be an "expert?" And in what areas could you never make such an admission?0 -
Spiritual_Chaos said:PJPOWER said:Spiritual_Chaos said:PJPOWER said:Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:Regarding your point, I think communism, as it were, could probably be fine in a small group of people. But in a nation state, it has utterly failed.0
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This is like the end of Blazing Saddles where the big fight scene (the transgender thread) crashes through the wall and spills into Dom DeLuise's production (this thread).0
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ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:Spiritual_Chaos said:PJPOWER said:If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there. If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
and fuck Communism
That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.0 -
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pjl44 said:0
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PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:Spiritual_Chaos said:PJPOWER said:If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there. If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
and fuck Communism
That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.0 -
ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:Spiritual_Chaos said:PJPOWER said:If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there. If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
and fuck Communism
That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.
How much have you studied it?Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:Spiritual_Chaos said:PJPOWER said:If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there. If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
and fuck Communism
That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.
How much have you studied it?
My dissertation was (and much of my research is)
about the relationship between radical politics and American literature.
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PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:ecdanc said:PJPOWER said:Spiritual_Chaos said:PJPOWER said:If someone wants to live under a communist state, there are opportunities out there. If you are waiting around for the US to fulfill your communist dreams, you are either ignorant or insincere about your commy desire, otherwise you would have moved to a communist state already...
and fuck Communism
That 1950s McCarthyism to 1980s action movie indoctrination never fully goes away, does it.
How much have you studied it?Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
If I can attempt to be the weenie peacemaker for a second...
As someone with capitalist/libertarian views, it's impossible for me to approach consensus with someone who has communist or socialist views when discussing a broad system of government. We'll arrive at loggerheads in under 60 seconds.
I find it much easier to get to a coalition on some specific issues. Limiting our military adventurism, criminal justice reform, LGBTQ rights, and drug policy to name a few. We just have to agree to disagree on the tax code.
Like mrussell has said, most governments are a blend anyway. The US will never be purely socialist or purely capitalist. You just lobby for your preferred solutions by issue. Try to find allies when you can.0 -
pjl44 said:If I can attempt to be the weenie peacemaker for a second...
As someone with capitalist/libertarian views, it's impossible for me to approach consensus with someone who has communist or socialist views when discussing a broad system of government. We'll arrive at loggerheads in under 60 seconds.
I find it much easier to get to a coalition on some specific issues. Limiting our military adventurism, criminal justice reform, LGBTQ rights, and drug policy to name a few. We just have to agree to disagree on the tax code.
Like mrussell has said, most governments are a blend anyway. The US will never be purely socialist or purely capitalist. You just lobby for your preferred solutions by issue. Try to find allies when you can.0 -
Chris Matthews, the most wonderful man on TV, has apologies on his show for claiming that Bernie would not be one to help his fellow people out if they needed help, like if their car broke down. He believes that Bernie would.
That segment with Chris Matthews from Hardball made me laugh."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
ecdanc said:pjl44 said:If I can attempt to be the weenie peacemaker for a second...
As someone with capitalist/libertarian views, it's impossible for me to approach consensus with someone who has communist or socialist views when discussing a broad system of government. We'll arrive at loggerheads in under 60 seconds.
I find it much easier to get to a coalition on some specific issues. Limiting our military adventurism, criminal justice reform, LGBTQ rights, and drug policy to name a few. We just have to agree to disagree on the tax code.
Like mrussell has said, most governments are a blend anyway. The US will never be purely socialist or purely capitalist. You just lobby for your preferred solutions by issue. Try to find allies when you can.hippiemom = goodness0 -
cincybearcat said:ecdanc said:pjl44 said:If I can attempt to be the weenie peacemaker for a second...
As someone with capitalist/libertarian views, it's impossible for me to approach consensus with someone who has communist or socialist views when discussing a broad system of government. We'll arrive at loggerheads in under 60 seconds.
I find it much easier to get to a coalition on some specific issues. Limiting our military adventurism, criminal justice reform, LGBTQ rights, and drug policy to name a few. We just have to agree to disagree on the tax code.
Like mrussell has said, most governments are a blend anyway. The US will never be purely socialist or purely capitalist. You just lobby for your preferred solutions by issue. Try to find allies when you can.0 -
ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:ecdanc said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:Regarding your point, I think communism, as it were, could probably be fine in a small group of people. But in a nation state, it has utterly failed.
I'll give it to you, your take on human nature makes me chuckle. I was just typing up some notes for my graduate students about the myth of human nature and how, in my class, they don't get to disagree with that position.
2) You still have not provided a persuasive argument that Communism has succeeded for a nation.
2) I haven't tried to.
I mean, you seem to imagine higher education as a space where all ideas (no matter how inane) should be treated equally.
Now, I know I can't find one true astrologist or geologist that argues the Earth is flat, so using your comparison as the jumping off point, I should not be able to find an humanities/philosophy academic that disagrees with your unassailable statement."...when you write your own work, you need to keep in mind that your goal is to learn--and to stay within--our current epistemological boundaries. I'm going to put this as directly as I possibly can: [our text] outlines five foundational assumptions . . . . These are not something with which you get to disagree. Sure, you can personally disagree with them; but as a student in this discipline, you must accept them in order to produce any work that will count as knowledge. Just like current scientists have rejected much of 1950s science, current . . . . scholars have rejected [certain ideas]."
But, to perhaps move us forward, do you have a list of the academic disciplines that get to have epistemologies and which ones don't? Put differently, what are the areas in which you would actually admit that someone can be an "expert?" And in what areas could you never make such an admission?
And through all of that, communism is still a failed economic political and economic system. There are no successes to which one can point.0 -
ecdanc said:pjl44 said:If I can attempt to be the weenie peacemaker for a second...
As someone with capitalist/libertarian views, it's impossible for me to approach consensus with someone who has communist or socialist views when discussing a broad system of government. We'll arrive at loggerheads in under 60 seconds.
I find it much easier to get to a coalition on some specific issues. Limiting our military adventurism, criminal justice reform, LGBTQ rights, and drug policy to name a few. We just have to agree to disagree on the tax code.
Like mrussell has said, most governments are a blend anyway. The US will never be purely socialist or purely capitalist. You just lobby for your preferred solutions by issue. Try to find allies when you can.0 -
ecdanc said:cincybearcat said:ecdanc said:pjl44 said:If I can attempt to be the weenie peacemaker for a second...
As someone with capitalist/libertarian views, it's impossible for me to approach consensus with someone who has communist or socialist views when discussing a broad system of government. We'll arrive at loggerheads in under 60 seconds.
I find it much easier to get to a coalition on some specific issues. Limiting our military adventurism, criminal justice reform, LGBTQ rights, and drug policy to name a few. We just have to agree to disagree on the tax code.
Like mrussell has said, most governments are a blend anyway. The US will never be purely socialist or purely capitalist. You just lobby for your preferred solutions by issue. Try to find allies when you can.hippiemom = goodness0
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