The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,435
    I can understand voting as violence in some circumstances. For example, "Should we take every dollar away from billionaires?" put to a popular vote. It passes and the federal government drains every billionaire and dumps that money into their coffers. That is violence. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies? Or did you just combine two random words? Quick: democratic monarchy! Communistic capitalism!  Monarchalicly demotismanarchy!



    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.

    "The anarcho-communists you will always have with you".

    But in pretty small numbers.

    I don't think that alone is any indication of what level of fucked the country is ;)
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    ecdanc said:
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    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
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    mcgruff10 said:
    What does that even mean?
    That it’s not some grassroots level concern.  I agree.  This is coming from Sanders directly or from his supporters.
    Now THIS is some bullshit. You draw a false (convenient, for you) dichotomy between "grassroots" concerns and "Sanders....supporters." Do you people find it somehow surprising that queer leftists agree with the farthest left candidate? 
    No, it's that the positions look so perfectly aligned, they appear to be Sanders supporters who are running what is essentially a negative ad against Pete.  I don't find it unusual that queer leftists support Sandes, nor would I expect homogeneous support of Pete just because he's gay.  At the same time, when the pattern of 'complaints' against Pete so perfectly tie into Sanders campaign promises, then I think it's dirty pool.  If you want to advocate for Bernie, that's great.  I love it.  But don't do it in this way, designed to specifically damage Pete's support in the community, without making it clear that you're really pro-Bernie.  
    Are you against all "negative" campaigning? I put the word "negative" in quotes, because I don't mean it in the traditional sense. Rather, I mean are you against all forms of politics that say "I'm against X" (with X either being a political position or a candidate)? And thus the only form of acceptable statement is "I'm for X" (with X being either a political position or a candidate)? If that's so, I don't necessarily disagree; I just think it would be a tough stance to uphold. 
    I don't like negative campaigning in general, but I agree that's a tough stance.  However, I definitely do not like negative campaigning intra-party.  You damage the party candidate and it's hard to walk that back.  But if you're going to do it, at least be transparent.  This is both negative and lacks transparency IF (and I say if which is the basis of my critique) it came from a group of people/person specifically aligned with Sanders.  
    My concern is that these attacks don't just weaken the candidates, but they also weaken the ideologies or themes they're aspiring to represent (which transcend the specifics of a nominee) - sometimes creating rifts that can extend beyond the absurdly long primary season. Whether Bernie criticizes the powers that be today and it loses Democrats voters in the general election if a centrist turns out to be the nominee, or whether Biden or Buttigieg do the same towards the left, either way, the potential exists to dissuade Democrat general election voters.

    Based on the loss last time, I still don't believe that either the left 'branch' of Democrat voters or the centrist 'branch' of Democrat voters can win the election on their own, so they sort of have to cross this new inner aisle which has formed. I think Bernie has opposed this notion and chosen a 'no compromises' approach and believes the left 'branch' is larger than typically believed, Biden isn't quite as ornery about centrist ideals but isn't believed by the left 'branch', and Buttigieg attempts to toe the line to appeal to the pragmatism in either cohort.
    The end of your post is what gets me. I'm not a Bernie supporter, but I abhor Biden and the "centrist" (center right from where I'm standing) wing of the DNC. I'm a minority amongst even my own circle, but I simply cannot vote for someone like Biden, or even Buttigieg. Saying that gets me accused of stamping my feet (or of being a Bernie bro). Yet I don't hear the same complaints (or at least they aren't at the same volume) about centrists who would refuse to vote for Sanders. 

    Abhor?

    4 years ago we had tapes of trump bragging about walking into a roomful of naked 15 year old girls and bragging he likes to grab women by the genitals so he can f*ck them.

    And what did Rs and right leaning moderates do? They showed up and voted for him. And to this day support him  more than ever before.

    Compare that bragging with your use of Abhor and you'll likely understand why the Supreme Court will be conservative for the next 40 years.


    "Other people are awful!! You should be awful too!!"

    I'm sorry, I didnt realize you were a conservative. 
    I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you think all people who disagree with you are the same. Don’t be dense. 



    I was joking and I could claim denseness on your comment as well.

    Abhor Biden? I was hoping for a defense of that, unless you are looking forward to 4 more years. 

    And that is why Rs win more often. They step in line and support their party no matter what.
    I question your last assertion. 

    They dont?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    pjl44 said:
    I can understand voting as violence in some circumstances. For example, "Should we take every dollar away from billionaires?" put to a popular vote. It passes and the federal government drains every billionaire and dumps that money into their coffers. That is violence. 
    As were the votes that allow billionaires to exist, eh?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What does that even mean?
    That it’s not some grassroots level concern.  I agree.  This is coming from Sanders directly or from his supporters.
    Now THIS is some bullshit. You draw a false (convenient, for you) dichotomy between "grassroots" concerns and "Sanders....supporters." Do you people find it somehow surprising that queer leftists agree with the farthest left candidate? 
    No, it's that the positions look so perfectly aligned, they appear to be Sanders supporters who are running what is essentially a negative ad against Pete.  I don't find it unusual that queer leftists support Sandes, nor would I expect homogeneous support of Pete just because he's gay.  At the same time, when the pattern of 'complaints' against Pete so perfectly tie into Sanders campaign promises, then I think it's dirty pool.  If you want to advocate for Bernie, that's great.  I love it.  But don't do it in this way, designed to specifically damage Pete's support in the community, without making it clear that you're really pro-Bernie.  
    Are you against all "negative" campaigning? I put the word "negative" in quotes, because I don't mean it in the traditional sense. Rather, I mean are you against all forms of politics that say "I'm against X" (with X either being a political position or a candidate)? And thus the only form of acceptable statement is "I'm for X" (with X being either a political position or a candidate)? If that's so, I don't necessarily disagree; I just think it would be a tough stance to uphold. 
    I don't like negative campaigning in general, but I agree that's a tough stance.  However, I definitely do not like negative campaigning intra-party.  You damage the party candidate and it's hard to walk that back.  But if you're going to do it, at least be transparent.  This is both negative and lacks transparency IF (and I say if which is the basis of my critique) it came from a group of people/person specifically aligned with Sanders.  
    My concern is that these attacks don't just weaken the candidates, but they also weaken the ideologies or themes they're aspiring to represent (which transcend the specifics of a nominee) - sometimes creating rifts that can extend beyond the absurdly long primary season. Whether Bernie criticizes the powers that be today and it loses Democrats voters in the general election if a centrist turns out to be the nominee, or whether Biden or Buttigieg do the same towards the left, either way, the potential exists to dissuade Democrat general election voters.

    Based on the loss last time, I still don't believe that either the left 'branch' of Democrat voters or the centrist 'branch' of Democrat voters can win the election on their own, so they sort of have to cross this new inner aisle which has formed. I think Bernie has opposed this notion and chosen a 'no compromises' approach and believes the left 'branch' is larger than typically believed, Biden isn't quite as ornery about centrist ideals but isn't believed by the left 'branch', and Buttigieg attempts to toe the line to appeal to the pragmatism in either cohort.
    The end of your post is what gets me. I'm not a Bernie supporter, but I abhor Biden and the "centrist" (center right from where I'm standing) wing of the DNC. I'm a minority amongst even my own circle, but I simply cannot vote for someone like Biden, or even Buttigieg. Saying that gets me accused of stamping my feet (or of being a Bernie bro). Yet I don't hear the same complaints (or at least they aren't at the same volume) about centrists who would refuse to vote for Sanders. 

    Abhor?

    4 years ago we had tapes of trump bragging about walking into a roomful of naked 15 year old girls and bragging he likes to grab women by the genitals so he can f*ck them.

    And what did Rs and right leaning moderates do? They showed up and voted for him. And to this day support him  more than ever before.

    Compare that bragging with your use of Abhor and you'll likely understand why the Supreme Court will be conservative for the next 40 years.


    "Other people are awful!! You should be awful too!!"

    I'm sorry, I didnt realize you were a conservative. 
    I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you think all people who disagree with you are the same. Don’t be dense. 



    I was joking and I could claim denseness on your comment as well.

    Abhor Biden? I was hoping for a defense of that, unless you are looking forward to 4 more years. 

    And that is why Rs win more often. They step in line and support their party no matter what.
    I question your last assertion. 

    They dont?
    Perhaps that’s not why they win. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    How about Jim Crow?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.

    "The anarcho-communists you will always have with you".

    But in pretty small numbers.

    I don't think that alone is any indication of what level of fucked the country is ;)
    They’re even going to your Pearl Jam concerts!
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    Don’t be pompous, just because I teach doesn’t mean I know everything.  So there are no rules on your farm?

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,435
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    I can understand voting as violence in some circumstances. For example, "Should we take every dollar away from billionaires?" put to a popular vote. It passes and the federal government drains every billionaire and dumps that money into their coffers. That is violence. 
    As were the votes that allow billionaires to exist, eh?
    I'm trying to find some common footing and the only point you focus on is the one that allows you to bicker
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    Don’t be pompous, just because I teach doesn’t mean I know everything.  So there are no rules on your farm?

    That’s fair. I apologize 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    mcgruff10 said:
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    ecdanc said:
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    @ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this:  https://joebiden.info
    I will continue to research.
    Beside the point, but that site is awesome!
    If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.  
    What is the bs?
    bs stands for bull shit.  

    Nah. I was thinking bad seats.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    edited February 2020
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    In fairness, not many history teachers study something that was in place for about a week in a few Spanish provinces.



    Graham literally said "da fuck?" at this moment...
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    I can understand voting as violence in some circumstances. For example, "Should we take every dollar away from billionaires?" put to a popular vote. It passes and the federal government drains every billionaire and dumps that money into their coffers. That is violence. 
    As were the votes that allow billionaires to exist, eh?
    I'm trying to find some common footing and the only point you focus on is the one that allows you to bicker
    Weird way to find common ground with a communist. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,103
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    In fairness, not many history teachers study something that was in place for about a week in a few Spanish provinces.



    Graham literally said "da fuck?" at this moment...
    Emma Goldman was a pretty big deal, but your point is granted
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    Right. If you start by recognizing the horrible things majorities have done, it’s not hard to make the next step. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    In fairness, not many history teachers study something that was in place for about a week in a few Spanish provinces.



    Graham literally said "da fuck?" at this moment...
    Emma Goldman was a pretty big deal, but your point is granted
    I hope we can agree that this scene from the Grail is just an all timer of a comedy scene.  
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    In fairness, not many history teachers study something that was in place for about a week in a few Spanish provinces.



    Graham literally said "da fuck?" at this moment...
    Emma Goldman was a pretty big deal, but your point is granted
    I hope we can agree that this scene from the Grail is just an all timer of a comedy scene.  
    I 2nd the motion. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,503
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    In fairness, not many history teachers study something that was in place for about a week in a few Spanish provinces.



    Graham literally said "da fuck?" at this moment...
    But Graham plays a tool in the film, does he not?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    pjl44 said:
    I can understand voting as violence in some circumstances. For example, "Should we take every dollar away from billionaires?" put to a popular vote. It passes and the federal government drains every billionaire and dumps that money into their coffers. That is violence. 

    Take that $ and reallocate to NYers struggling to find a spare $1500 for concert tix.

    At least there's plenty of GNR tix available!
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    pjl44 said:
    I can understand voting as violence in some circumstances. For example, "Should we take every dollar away from billionaires?" put to a popular vote. It passes and the federal government drains every billionaire and dumps that money into their coffers. That is violence. 

    Take that $ and reallocate to NYers struggling to find a spare $1500 for concert tix.

    At least there's plenty of GNR tix available!
    On a long enough timeline, all threads collapse into one. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,619
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    In fairness, not many history teachers study something that was in place for about a week in a few Spanish provinces.



    Graham literally said "da fuck?" at this moment...
    But Graham plays TooL in the film, does he not?



  • CAMPAIGN 2020: BERNIE SANDERS rips PETE BUTTIGIEG ties to billionaires in fiery NEW HAMPSHIRE speech

    https://youtu.be/vrZlMRlzGlE


    THE HEAT IS ON!

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    In fairness, not many history teachers study something that was in place for about a week in a few Spanish provinces.



    Graham literally said "da fuck?" at this moment...
    But Graham plays a tool in the film, does he not?
    Everyone is a tool in the movie, even "Tim".  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659

    CAMPAIGN 2020: BERNIE SANDERS rips PETE BUTTIGIEG ties to billionaires in fiery NEW HAMPSHIRE speech




    THE HEAT IS ON!

    This is the very thing we were discussing earlier.  Bernie doesn't seek to win on the merits of his position, he seeks to denigrate and disparage his opponents' motives.  This is why his supporters are Bernie or Bust, because Bernie himself damages the opponent who is basically on his team.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,503
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:

    He's not asking for a compromise; he's asking me to compromise. 
    Guilty as charged.  "All or none" isn't working too well.

    Curious...what currently living US citizen would you like to see be president?
    I'm an anarcho-communist. 
    Not sure who is a leading US personality in that area.  How far outside of that philosophy can you vote?  Because I don't see one getting elected to, well, anything in the enforceable future.
    Generally speaking, I do not vote. I consider voting a form of violence (that statement should go over well here). After much soul-searching, I did vote in the 2016 presidential election, however. 
    I don't think that statement would go over well anywhere. How is voting a form of violence? 
    It's a hit at parties!

    Majoritarian rule is a form of violence; ergo, voting is a form of violence. 
    This is one of the starangest posts I've ever read on this board (and that's saying something). First off, as the 2016 election showed, it's not about majoritarian because Trump didn't get a majority of the votes. Secondly, what the hell type of system would you prefer if you think voting is a form of violence? Dictatorships? Monarchies? 

    See above: anarcho-communism. 
    Da fuck is anarcho communism? Is that like lord of the flies?

    Don’t you teach history?
    In fairness, not many history teachers study something that was in place for about a week in a few Spanish provinces.



    Graham literally said "da fuck?" at this moment...
    But Graham plays a tool in the film, does he not?
    Everyone is a tool in the movie, even "Tim".  
    Okey. So him literally saying "da fuck" then doesn't really support your argument.

    And it's been a long time since I've seen the film... hmm. I think it's on netflix.

    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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