The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    I think Bernie and Bidens fear of Pete will push him even further into the spotlight. And Pete will act and look like the winner after tonights debate. He will also seriously threaten Bernie in NH. Bernie will underperform, and Pete overperform.

    The dream of Bernie and the decency of social democracy is over.
    I feel like you kind of overreact as a general rule.  
  • ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,513
    mrussel1 said:

    CAMPAIGN 2020: BERNIE SANDERS rips PETE BUTTIGIEG ties to billionaires in fiery NEW HAMPSHIRE speech




    THE HEAT IS ON!

    This is the very thing we were discussing earlier.  Bernie doesn't seek to win on the merits of his position, he seeks to denigrate and disparage his opponents' motives.  This is why his supporters are Bernie or Bust, because Bernie himself damages the opponent who is basically on his team.  
    Pete is a lifelong Independent?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:

    CAMPAIGN 2020: BERNIE SANDERS rips PETE BUTTIGIEG ties to billionaires in fiery NEW HAMPSHIRE speech




    THE HEAT IS ON!

    This is the very thing we were discussing earlier.  Bernie doesn't seek to win on the merits of his position, he seeks to denigrate and disparage his opponents' motives.  This is why his supporters are Bernie or Bust, because Bernie himself damages the opponent who is basically on his team.  
    Pete is a lifelong Independent?
    Well..every four years... 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,513
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    and you would subject them to the torturous ramblings we endure here?
    gonna have to find a way to play them Another Brick in the Wall....

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    and you would subject them to the torturous ramblings we endure here?
    gonna have to find a way to play them Another Brick in the Wall....

    I learned something very sad recently when I was watching Roger Waters Wall performance from 2014.  Everyone knows his father died in the war when Roger was an infant.  But his grandfather died in France during WWI when Roger's father was an infant.  That is incredibly sad.  Anyway, carry on.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,103
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    If this were four years ago, you'd get some very angry parents (if you stated any positives, that is)...maybe even fired?  Now...possibly executed.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    If this were four years ago, you'd get some very angry parents (if you stated any positives, that is)...maybe even fired?  Now...possibly executed.
    It is so sad because our department agreed to not even talk politics anymore.  It just isn’t worth it. I show ten minutes of the news everyday and that is it. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,513
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    If this were four years ago, you'd get some very angry parents (if you stated any positives, that is)...maybe even fired?  Now...possibly executed.
    It is so sad because our department agreed to not even talk politics anymore.  It just isn’t worth it. I show ten minutes of the news everyday and that is it. 

    domestic news only or world events as well?

    what sources do you use? just curious.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    If this were four years ago, you'd get some very angry parents (if you stated any positives, that is)...maybe even fired?  Now...possibly executed.
    It is so sad because our department agreed to not even talk politics anymore.  It just isn’t worth it. I show ten minutes of the news everyday and that is it. 

    domestic news only or world events as well?

    what sources do you use? just curious.
    Both. https://www.cnn.com/cnn10
    Just objective news, no bias.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    Do you mean to imply democracy is perfect in theory?
  • mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    If this were four years ago, you'd get some very angry parents (if you stated any positives, that is)...maybe even fired?  Now...possibly executed.
    It is so sad because our department agreed to not even talk politics anymore.  It just isn’t worth it. I show ten minutes of the news everyday and that is it. 

    domestic news only or world events as well?

    what sources do you use? just curious.
    Both. https://www.cnn.com/cnn10
    Just objective news, no bias.  
    why not pbs?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    If this were four years ago, you'd get some very angry parents (if you stated any positives, that is)...maybe even fired?  Now...possibly executed.
    It is so sad because our department agreed to not even talk politics anymore.  It just isn’t worth it. I show ten minutes of the news everyday and that is it. 

    domestic news only or world events as well?

    what sources do you use? just curious.
    Both. https://www.cnn.com/cnn10
    Just objective news, no bias.  
    why not pbs?
    Does pbs air a ten minute news segment intended for middle and high school students?

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    Tell them about Alexander Berkman trying to kill Henry Clay Frick. It’s a great story!
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,513
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    naptime in 6th grade?

    damn these kids got it good.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    Tell them about Alexander Berkman trying to kill Henry Clay Frick. It’s a great story!
    Haha!!  Political assassination attempts are just hilarious!
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    naptime in 6th grade?

    damn these kids got it good.
    No way they stay awake during an 84 minute lesson on anarchic communism. God I just noticed my eyes closed as I was typing those words.  Holy boring. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    edited February 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    naptime in 6th grade?

    damn these kids got it good.
    No way they stay awake during an 84 minute lesson on anarchic communism. God I just noticed my eyes closed as I was typing those words.  Holy boring. 
    Im sure some hippies pulled it off successfully for a few weeks, until their parents money ran out and they couldn't buy outside supplies. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.  That's straight from the Federalist Papers and Montesquieu.    
    Good thing minorities had it so well in the 1780s. 
    You think you're clever but it comes off more like a lame joke. 
    Am I wrong?
    Yes considering the concept was about religious and voting minorities. 
    Your defense is “they weren’t trying to help those other people?” Interesting approach

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    Tell them about Alexander Berkman trying to kill Henry Clay Frick. It’s a great story!
    Honestly,  how do you idolize that woman? 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    Tell them about Alexander Berkman trying to kill Henry Clay Frick. It’s a great story!
    Haha!!  Political assassination attempts are just hilarious!
    This one is pretty funny. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    Tell them about Alexander Berkman trying to kill Henry Clay Frick. It’s a great story!
    Honestly,  how do you idolize that woman? 
    Which woman?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Oh please. There’s get shot and killed in school as a second grader violence that equals I got screwed on my taxes because Team Trump Treason got elected violence? Voting = violence, this country is really fucked.
    I'm not convinced "violence" is the right word...but I understand it.

    That said, if everything works well, majority rule doesn't always hold form.  We didn't end slavery on a majority popular vote (it would have failed, particularly if the individual states had their own choice.  One high-profile example that the right thing can be done despite a likely majority being against it.  Admittedly it puts a lot of trust into people who have conflicts of interest between themselves and the public good.
    And therein lies the everlasting challenge of democracy, how do you have majority rule while protecting the rights of the minority?
    Can you?
    Yes. Is it perfect? No.
    So, no. 😎
    Can you name one perfect political system for a society, including the anarcho-communism, that’s perfect in practice?  ;)
    I'm going to research like a mo fo and on Monday have a full 84 minute lesson on the positive and negatives aspects of anarcho-communism.  My 6th graders are going to be pumped!!!
    *drool*
    Lots of drool on the desks after they fall asleep. 
    Tell them about Alexander Berkman trying to kill Henry Clay Frick. It’s a great story!
    Honestly,  how do you idolize that woman? 
    Which woman?
    Emma Goldman.  She was part of that plot. 
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