The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    No
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this:  https://joebiden.info
    I will continue to research.
    Beside the point, but that site is awesome!
    If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.  
    What is the bs?
    bs stands for bull shit.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
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    ecdanc said:
    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,866
    Two threads now and I can't stop laughing. You guys are crackin' me up today. :) Take good care of each other, ok?

    Falling down,...not staying down
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    edited February 2020
    Kat said:
    Two threads now and I can't stop laughing. You guys are crackin' me up today. :) Take good care of each other, ok?

    @kat I feel like we could really come together as a group if we all sat next to each other at the Apollo Show.  Anyway to hook us up with some tickets?  ;)
    Much love,
    10C member 139682  
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • What we really need is three days of peace, love and Pearl Jam. Make it happen Kat, you got pull. McGruff will bring the red wine and ice.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    What we really need is three days of peace, love and Pearl Jam. Make it happen Kat, you got pull. McGruff will bring the red wine and ice.
    Franzia and boone's for all!!!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    What we really need is three days of peace, love and Pearl Jam. Make it happen Kat, you got pull. McGruff will bring the red wine and ice.
    Franzia and boone's for all!!!!
    They still make Boone's?
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    mcgruff10 said:
    What we really need is three days of peace, love and Pearl Jam. Make it happen Kat, you got pull. McGruff will bring the red wine and ice.
    Franzia and boone's for all!!!!
    They still make Boone's?
    At least they do in New Jersey.  You know you want your old stand by:
    Image result for strawberry hill boones
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659

    Peggy Huppert, an Iowa activist who consulted for the 2016 Sanders campaign, said she had decided to support Mr. Buttigieg, the former mayor of South Bend, Ind., in 2020 “in large part because of the way he conducts himself.” She praised Mr. Sanders’s letter to supporters after his announcement but said that this message had plainly failed to resonate.

    “Obama set the tone for his campaign: ‘You are positive, you are respectful, you are civil,’” Ms. Huppert said. “I guess Bernie hasn’t.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/us/politics/bernie-sanders-internet-supporters-2020.html

    Ask Liz Warren how many snake emojis she got in the last few weeks, and how much online bullying.. 

    I actually like Bernie, but I fucking hate people with jacobin tendencies, although I don't think Bernie is a Robespierre.  It's his damn 'people'.  

  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What we really need is three days of peace, love and Pearl Jam. Make it happen Kat, you got pull. McGruff will bring the red wine and ice.
    Franzia and boone's for all!!!!
    They still make Boone's?
    At least they do in New Jersey.  You know you want your old stand by:
    Image result for strawberry hill boones
    I just urgently shit in a trash can just from looking at the photo.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • mcgruff10 said:
    Kat said:
    Two threads now and I can't stop laughing. You guys are crackin' me up today. :) Take good care of each other, ok?

    @kat I feel like we could really come together as a group if we all sat next to each other at the Apollo Show.  Anyway to hook us up with some tickets?  ;)
    Much love,
    10C member 139682  
    Idea of the year! And I will stand by this statement on 12/31/2020.
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this:  https://joebiden.info
    I will continue to research.
    Beside the point, but that site is awesome!
    If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.  
    What is the bs?
    bs stands for bull shit.  
    So, is bs and trump stand for the same thing? Just to be sure I understand that correctly.
    "A smart monkey doesn't monkey around with another monkey's monkey" - Darwin's Theory
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this:  https://joebiden.info
    I will continue to research.
    Beside the point, but that site is awesome!
    If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.  
    But I asked you for a bs Biden-supporting site. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
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    ecdanc said:
    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    No
    How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
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    ecdanc said:
    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
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    @ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this:  https://joebiden.info
    I will continue to research.
    Beside the point, but that site is awesome!
    It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.  
    Trump is a symptom, not the disease. 
    Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off.  If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.  
    Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    mcgruff10 said:
    Kat said:
    Two threads now and I can't stop laughing. You guys are crackin' me up today. :) Take good care of each other, ok?

    @kat I feel like we could really come together as a group if we all sat next to each other at the Apollo Show.  Anyway to hook us up with some tickets?  ;)
    Much love,
    10C member 139682  
    I'm willing to give it a go ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,103
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    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    @ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this:  https://joebiden.info
    I will continue to research.
    Beside the point, but that site is awesome!
    It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.  
    Trump is a symptom, not the disease. 
    Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off.  If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.  
    Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....
    The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem.  And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,480
    ecdanc said:
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    @ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this:  https://joebiden.info
    I will continue to research.
    Beside the point, but that site is awesome!
    If you dislike Biden that site is awesome but again it is bs just like the Pete website.  
    But I asked you for a bs Biden-supporting site. 
    I only have so much prep time!!!  Ok mission accepted.  Kids coming in to class.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
    So policies are binary?  You either completely agree or completely opposed?  Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy.  The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?  
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
    Oh, I see you took offense.  I should have typed it...

    Yes they are a part of a legitimate political movement.  It's called the bernie sanders campaign.  

    The part about him and his supporters shitting all over others is understood so no need to type it out.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    OnWis97 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    @ecdanc lots of filters at work but how about this:  https://joebiden.info
    I will continue to research.
    Beside the point, but that site is awesome!
    It's awesome if you like Donald J. Trump as your president.  
    Trump is a symptom, not the disease. 
    Maybe, but that doesn't mean that damaging any D candidate can't hurt our chance of knocking him off.  If you're expecting the worker's revolution to happen before November, I suggest a different strategy.  
    Maybe they aren't concerned with your "chance of knocking him off," but with the actual underlying disease.....
    The disease will metastasize much faster with him in there than with some "awful" centrist Dem.  And if they don't see that, I have no idea what to tell them...but they're heels are every bit as dug in as Trump's supporters' are.
    Did the disease improve under Obama? I don't think so.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
    So policies are binary?  You either completely agree or completely opposed?  Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy.  The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?  
    I can think your ideas are shit without using binary thinking. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
    Oh, I see you took offense.  I should have typed it...

    Yes they are a part of a legitimate political movement.  It's called the bernie sanders campaign.  

    The part about him and his supporters shitting all over others is understood so no need to type it out.
    And what about those of us who agree with those positions but aren't Sanders supporters? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 38,969
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    ecdanc said:
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    No
    How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?
    You mean like Obama did? And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,659
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
    So policies are binary?  You either completely agree or completely opposed?  Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy.  The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?  
    I can think your ideas are shit without using binary thinking. 
    So you're saying that every other candidate's ideas are shit, except Bernie's, therefore justifying trashing their campaigns.  Is that right?  Parlaying that into the Obamacare example to make it concrete.  It's not a hard question.  
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    No
    How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?
    You mean like Obama did?
    I mean like my friends do. I'll return to my earlier point: you have an absurdly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    Yes. The Bernie Sanders shit on all opponents campaign. 
    Maybe there are just a fair number of people who think your politics are shit and that also happen to agree with Bernie Sanders?
    So policies are binary?  You either completely agree or completely opposed?  Obamacare only provided 25 million people health benefits that they didn't previously have, so it's a shit policy.  The only worthy policy was M4A and if you can't do that, then burn it all down?  
    I can think your ideas are shit without using binary thinking. 
    So you're saying that every other candidate's ideas are shit, except Bernie's, therefore justifying trashing their campaigns.  Is that right?  Parlaying that into the Obamacare example to make it concrete.  It's not a hard question.  
    Some candidates have entirely shitty ideas; other candidates have mostly shitty ideas; Bernie has less shitty ideas, but I still don't support him. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
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    I’d have more faith in them if there had been a QueersAgainstTrump organization and mobilization drive. Seems more like a Putin on the ritz troll farm operation than a legit politic organization. They registered as a 501c3?

    Did you hear all of Team Trump Treason’s comments about all the hot body, good looking dudes who supported him throughout impeachment? I mean it really bordered on getting sexual, breathless as he was in his descriptions. Maybe he should just come out? NTTIAWWT. He’d still be POTUS and first is better than third. And some think Biden is creepy?
    Wait, would you trust them more or less if they were 501c3?
    More.
    You have a highly circumscribed notion of what constitutes politics, it appears. 
    Maybe I should have said are they registered as a PAC or any type of organization that would lend them an ounce of credibility? It seems you may confuse what might be legitimate in this age of troll farms and social media that can’t possibly influence an election, particularly a democratic primary season. Did you register on their site or link for the email blasts?

    Berniebrosises not having a queersagainsttrumppence after Team Trump Treason embraced the rainbow flag then basically did an about face on so many LGBTA policies should be a clue, yes?
    So anyone who isn't a PAC or "any type of organization" can't make a credible political statement? Are you a PAC? Can you make credible political statements?

    As for the last part, gtfo. Trust me: the queer folks I know have done more to combat Trump than most. 
    I’m an individual speaking up and out for myself and not trying to represent or misrepresent a group and claim to speak for them. Has Bernie endorsed or made public statements to the effect of I welcome the support of queersagainstpete? Let me guess, you have 6,000 Facebook friends?
    So, "queerindividualsagainstPete" would has been ok with you? 

    I don't understand your last two questions. 
    If that’s how you want to label yourself, that’s fine but you, or queersagainstpete, shouldn’t claim to speak for all queers and claim Pete’s policies are harmful to all queers.

    Has Bernie endorsed or welcomed queersagainstpete’s advocacy? 

    Read up on Russian troll farms manipulation of faceturd and social media to better understand how “movements” or political advocacy groups can appear to have a mass following when in fact it’s Putin on the ritz’s trolls. Hence my request for “legitimacy,” or a past history of similar advocacy.

    Who is worse for queers, Team Trump Treason or Mayor Pete?
    I don't think QueersagainstPete claims to have any sort of mass following. It looks to me like the small-scale political action I see all the time (and that, to me, is the essence of politics). I also don't think it claims either of the things you accuse it of in your first paragraph. 

    As for your last paragraph, I offer you a quote from Stalin: "they're both worse." 

    Again, read up on Putin on the ritz’s troll farms so you understand how that technique is now the operative method of almost any candidate, party and supporter because it’s so successful. The majority of those “small scale political actions” are complete fabrications.

    As for your last sentence, sure they are, sure. You still haven’t answered my questions regarding Bernie’s welcoming of queersagainstpete’s advocacy. Why is that?
    I should add that many of my Facebook friends and a fair number of my real-life friends are going to be disappointed to learn they're actually Russian-troll fabrications. 
    You could have said that earlier.

    Do you know anyone who started the “organization” queersagainstpete?
    I do not, but I know people (some of whom are queer) with the exact same views. I worry that you'll use your fear of Russian trolls to pretend they don't exist. 
    Sorry, but I'm not buying that queersagainstpete is some legitimate political movement. And I wouldn't dismiss the LGBTIA community's grievances as a fabrication of putin on the ritz's. The dems need to appeal to indies and Bernie ain't appealing to indies and to even less of dems than 2016. I can't wait for the queersagainstbillionaires political movement to get going. Should be about 6-8 weeks from now.
    A straightforward question: are my friends who agree with the site, but are not affiliated with it, part of a “legitimate political movement?”
    No
    How much on-the-ground organizing do you do?
    You mean like Obama did? And what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China?
    You're telling me that my friends aren't part of a "legitimate political movement." I'm telling you they're taking a helluva lot more political action than most--possibly more than you. 
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