The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    I guess I meant "moot".  Damn English language!  :lol:
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    -Roberto Benigni

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    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.
  • Posts: 7,853
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  

    Wildwood can be a scary place. Been there 14 times.
  • Posts: 49,594
    brianlux said:
    I guess I meant "moot".  Damn English language!  :lol:
    Isn't it "moo?"
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    brianlux said:
    I guess I meant "moot".  Damn English language!  :lol:
    mute seems to fit too.....
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    pjl44 said:
    Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.
    paid for by the guy next to you
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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,113

    Wildwood can be a scary place. Been there 14 times.
    I haven’t been there in years and don’t plan on going back anytime soon.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mickeyrat said:
    paid for by the guy next to you

    I'm surprised nobody has said The Sanders should be free.  :lol: 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Posts: 16,830
    brianlux said:

    I'm surprised nobody has said The Sanders should be free.  :lol: 
    But no women can order it 
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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    brianlux said:

    I'm surprised nobody has said The Sanders should be free.  :lol: 
    Nothing is ever free!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mcgruff10 said:
    Nothing is ever free!

    I believe it!  But the cold beer in the fridge is already paid for and after all this talk of drinks and a hard day of nothing much at all, I think it's time to pop one open!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Posts: 49,594
    Wildwood is such a weird place for a rally. He’s not winning New Jersey. And Wildwood is a shore town, a trashy one at that, and it’s January. Wonder what the thinking is for this...
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    mcgruff10 said:
    I haven’t been there in years and don’t plan on going back anytime soon.  


    Cape May rocks, tho.
  • Posts: 7,853
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?


    social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
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    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    Lighten up Francis.
    The normalization of fascism is alive and well I take it.
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  • New Jersey Posts: 29,113
    Wildwood is such a weird place for a rally. He’s not winning New Jersey. And Wildwood is a shore town, a trashy one at that, and it’s January. Wonder what the thinking is for this...
    Cape May county historically votes red.   Yeah that s all I got for you.  Trump is definitely not winning nj
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
    It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly.  Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace.  It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons.  The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation?  My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need.  Is it purely a way to redistribute income?  If so, why not means test it?  Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it.  I just don't understand the value it adds.  Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it.  But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month.  Won't that just drive inflation?
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    mrussel1 said:
    It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly.  Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace.  It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons.  The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation?  My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need.  Is it purely a way to redistribute income?  If so, why not means test it?  Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it.  I just don't understand the value it adds.  Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it.  But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month.  Won't that just drive inflation?
    Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either. 
  • Posts: 30,879
    ecdanc said:
    Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either. 
    IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net?  That's my whole point.  
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    mrussel1 said:
    IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net?  That's my whole point.  
    I'm guessing you and I shouldn't wade into that exact conversation, because I don't think we need a social safety net. I'm advocating for full communism. 
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