The Democratic Presidential Debates
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I guess I meant "moot". Damn English language!
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mcgruff10 said:The bolero in wildwood, nj. (Trump rally inthat town this week) .
Wildwood can be a scary place. Been there 14 times.0 -
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mute seems to fit too.....brianlux said:I guess I meant "moot". Damn English language!
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Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.mcgruff10 said:The bolero in wildwood, nj. (Trump rally inthat town this week) .
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
I haven’t been there in years and don’t plan on going back anytime soon.Lerxst1992 said:mcgruff10 said:The bolero in wildwood, nj. (Trump rally inthat town this week) .
Wildwood can be a scary place. Been there 14 times.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
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mcgruff10 said:
I believe it! But the cold beer in the fridge is already paid for and after all this talk of drinks and a hard day of nothing much at all, I think it's time to pop one open!
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Wildwood is such a weird place for a rally. He’s not winning New Jersey. And Wildwood is a shore town, a trashy one at that, and it’s January. Wonder what the thinking is for this...www.myspace.com0
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mcgruff10 said:
I haven’t been there in years and don’t plan on going back anytime soon.Lerxst1992 said:mcgruff10 said:The bolero in wildwood, nj. (Trump rally inthat town this week) .
Wildwood can be a scary place. Been there 14 times.Cape May rocks, tho.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
But keep running away from the bullies I guess.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?0 -
The normalization of fascism is alive and well I take it.mrussel1 said:
Lighten up Francis.Spiritual_Chaos said:
?mcgruff10 said:The bolero in wildwood, nj. (Trump rally inthat town this week) .
What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?
Other than enabling those people and their views?Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Cape May county historically votes red. Yeah that s all I got for you. Trump is definitely not winning njThe Juggler said:Wildwood is such a weird place for a rally. He’s not winning New Jersey. And Wildwood is a shore town, a trashy one at that, and it’s January. Wonder what the thinking is for this...I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly. Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace. It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons. The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation? My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need. Is it purely a way to redistribute income? If so, why not means test it? Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it. I just don't understand the value it adds. Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it. But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month. Won't that just drive inflation?Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
But keep running away from the bullies I guess.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?0 -
Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either.mrussel1 said:
It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly. Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace. It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons. The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation? My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need. Is it purely a way to redistribute income? If so, why not means test it? Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it. I just don't understand the value it adds. Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it. But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month. Won't that just drive inflation?Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
But keep running away from the bullies I guess.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?0 -
IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net? That's my whole point.ecdanc said:
Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either.mrussel1 said:
It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly. Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace. It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons. The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation? My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need. Is it purely a way to redistribute income? If so, why not means test it? Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it. I just don't understand the value it adds. Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it. But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month. Won't that just drive inflation?Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
But keep running away from the bullies I guess.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?0 -
I'm guessing you and I shouldn't wade into that exact conversation, because I don't think we need a social safety net. I'm advocating for full communism.mrussel1 said:
IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net? That's my whole point.ecdanc said:
Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either.mrussel1 said:
It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly. Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace. It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons. The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation? My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need. Is it purely a way to redistribute income? If so, why not means test it? Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it. I just don't understand the value it adds. Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it. But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month. Won't that just drive inflation?Lerxst1992 said:HughFreakingDillon said:
UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?brianlux said:Spiritual_Chaos said:
As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
But keep running away from the bullies I guess.The Juggler said:
Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie.mrussel1 said:
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:
Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity.
Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically. Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder. Many people need to think harder. I try, but I know I can do better.
social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?0
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