The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    Lol. Sounds scary. Run for the hills people.






    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    jesus. hitting it right on the ageism. 
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  • brianlux
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
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    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 
    Right. Because that has happened so many times before. 

    You nominate a guy who actually calls himself that and then, voila, there you have it. Not rocket science. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited January 2020
    The Juggler said:

     If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    Then just quote this speech back to them like a man:

    Mr Fälldin has been nagging me to explain why I am a socialist. I am a democratic socialist, with pride and with joy. I became one when travelling India seeing its terrible poverty blended with pockets of immense wealth; when travelling the United States and seeing an in some respects even more humiliating poverty; when, as a young man, I came eye to eye with Communist enslavement and the oppression and inhuman persecution in the Communist states. And when I came to the Nazi concentration camps and saw the death lists of social democrats and trade-unionists.

    I got that conviction when it became clear to me that it was the social democratic movement that brought democracy to Sweden, when it became clear to me that it was the social democratic movement that had lifted the country out of poverty and unemployment with its politics of the 1930s. And when I myself was campaigning for state pensions for the elderly and got up against the anti-Socialist campaigns of those with special privileges who objected ordinary workers securing their own retirement. Because that is what you (the right) was doing back then.

    But even more important is that I am strengthened in my conviction when I look at the state of the world, when I see the wars and the arms race and the mass unemployment and all that divides people. I am strengthened in my conviction when I see, here in our own country, an increase in injustice, unemployment, speculation and graft. When I look into the future which the right-wing has to offer, where the workers will get less and the rich will get more, where social security will be in decline and the number of luxury yachts on the rise, where solidarity diminishes and egotism increases, where the strong can enrich themselves while the weak will have to beg if they are to get anything at all.

    Of course I am a democratic socialist. I hold that conviction with pride in what democratic socialism has achieved in our country, and with joy, because I know that we have important tasks ahead of us as a result of right-wing negligence. And with confidence, because now people know what happens with their jobs and with security and stability when the right-wing is in power. In a way I hold that conviction with a smile because I know that modern Swedish history is full of valuable reforms, which you at first described as evil socialism but then later fought to get credit for when people understood their significance.

    Certainly Mr Fälldin and Mr Ullsten am I a democratic socialist. As Mr Branting was, who gave everybody the right to vote. As Per-Albin who fought unemployment in the 30s and introduced our social safety nets. As Mr Erlander who expanded our social safety nets and gave us decent pensions. 

    Because it is about solidarity and compassion between people. 

    And by the way Mr Fälldin, what exactly are you?

    - Olof Palme
    September 17, 1982


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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    edited January 2020
    No thanks.

    I, and I assume everyone else, will not read that gibberish or view your inane video. 


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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited January 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist. 
    What in the sam-hill?

    Now how could I, an accused bigot with insensitivities towards the LGBTQ community, prove my progressiveness by voting for an old white man? 

    Shit, I called him "old." Now I'm an ageist too!
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  • mrussel1
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist. 
    What in the sam-hill?

    Now how could I, an accused bigot with insensitivities towards the LGBTQ community, prove my progressiveness by voting for an old white man? 

    Shit, I called him "old." Now I'm an ageist too!
    Just turn in your voter id already.  You've got no shot at getting this right. 
  • Ledbetterman10
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    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist. 
    What in the sam-hill?

    Now how could I, an accused bigot with insensitivities towards the LGBTQ community, prove my progressiveness by voting for an old white man? 

    Shit, I called him "old." Now I'm an ageist too!
    Just turn in your voter id already.  You've got no shot at getting this right. 
    I guess that's true. As an ageist, I can't even vote for Trump.

    Mayor Pete it is! He has me covered on all bases.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist. 
    What in the sam-hill?

    Now how could I, an accused bigot with insensitivities towards the LGBTQ community, prove my progressiveness by voting for an old white man? 

    Shit, I called him "old." Now I'm an ageist too!
    Just turn in your voter id already.  You've got no shot at getting this right. 
    I guess that's true. As an ageist, I can't even vote for Trump.

    Mayor Pete it is! He has me covered on all bases.
    except the white part......
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    edited January 2020
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Sorry there aren’t any zima specials for you. 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Lighten up Francis.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Sorry there aren’t any zima specials for you. 
    Trouble to find a good answer to a serious question maybe.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mcgruff10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Sorry there aren’t any zima specials for you. 
    Ha!  That's funny.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:



    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?

    Not really because the money is ours anyway.  It's collected by companies like Google, Yahoo and Amazon who don't pay taxes while the rest of us do.  So it's just a matter of taking back what is ours anyway.  Besides that, I would rather live under leadership that might lean more toward socialism than that of an oligarchy.  But that's a mute point because Yang is not a socialist.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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