The Democratic Presidential Debates
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I worry that Rogan's seeming fascination with Peterson might be indicative of his overall approach to these thought-provoking conversations. Peterson is a magnet for gadflies and dilettantes. I don't listen to Rogan, so I'm happy to be corrected, but I'm not sure I trust his ability to separate the Petersons from the rest.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was having this conversation with a friend over the weekend about peterson. that's one of the biggest criticisms I have of joe; when he has a serious guest, he often doesn't challenge them. going in, I didn't really know who peterson was. on joe's podcast, I agreed with much of what he said. But then I did my own research on him. And I realized that peterson seemed to purposely come off as a "lighter" version of himself on the podcast, probably knowing the reach joe had. peterson seemed reasonable and knowledgeable on the podcast, but when i read some of the other shit he's said afterwards, he seems like a pretty awful person.ecdanc said:
I just wish he'd stop putting a microphone in front of Jordan Peterson. I don't listen to Rogan, so I'm certainly willing to believe there's some thought-provoking conversations, but the large number of Peterson appearances makes me question the nature of that provocation.HughFreakingDillon said:
not on par, just an example of another famous person. why would you lend more credence to oprah's opinion? because of her level of fame?The Juggler said:
You think Rogan's resume is on par with Oprah's? I'm not a huge Oprah fan (haha) but I would lend more credence to someone like that over a "respected MMA announcer" any day of the week.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would anyone give a fuck about oprah's endorsement? the same reason. in a perfect world, politicians would be seeking endorsements from college professors, inventors, scientists, but no, they go with people who live in hollywood because the average voter is a blooming idiot.The Juggler said:
See my last post. Washed up was the wrong word, I guess. I don't understand how a comedian/reality tv show host/"respected MMA announcer"(really, there is such a thing???!) give him credibility in anything outside of those arenas.HughFreakingDillon said:
washed up? really? he's one of the most popular stand up comedians out there right now. his podcast has millions of subscribers. he is a massively influential and respected MMA announcer. why do you think all of these candidates are falling over themselves to get an audience with him?The Juggler said:
Okay I just looked up his audience size and I am shocked.pjl44 said:
It's just that he has a massive audience. Same as if Oprah endorsed someone.The Juggler said:Why do people give a shit about what Joe Rogan thinks? He's the Fear Factor guy. I don't understand how that douche is somehow considered some kind of political expert now.
How the fuck can the Fear Factor guy (okay, and the News Radio) guy have an audience like this? He's nothing but a washed up comedian/reality tv show host. I don't get it.
Joe Rogan. haha.
Come on people
i'm not really sure what your last two sentences are about. Sanders is the one who tweeted rogan's endorsement. You asked why rogan has so many followers, I told you. If you haven't watched or listened to him, you are commenting from an ignorant place. the fact you dismiss him simply because he's from MMA is also profoundly ignorant. he's an incredibly intelligent guy.
I can see why some then criticize joe as being the things they claim he is. I don't personally think he is those things, I think he just likes to get different points of view.0 -
If you're trying to understand why he's popular you have to ditch his resume. It comes down to him being a curious guy, a great host for conversations, and what Hugh said about a wide range of guests. If you earnestly want to grasp his appeal (and you don't want to listen to his shows), just start scrolling through his list of guests.The Juggler said:
You think Rogan's resume is on par with Oprah's? I'm not a huge Oprah fan (haha) but I would lend more credence to someone like that over a "respected MMA announcer" any day of the week.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would anyone give a fuck about oprah's endorsement? the same reason. in a perfect world, politicians would be seeking endorsements from college professors, inventors, scientists, but no, they go with people who live in hollywood because the average voter is a blooming idiot.The Juggler said:
See my last post. Washed up was the wrong word, I guess. I don't understand how a comedian/reality tv show host/"respected MMA announcer"(really, there is such a thing???!) give him credibility in anything outside of those arenas.HughFreakingDillon said:
washed up? really? he's one of the most popular stand up comedians out there right now. his podcast has millions of subscribers. he is a massively influential and respected MMA announcer. why do you think all of these candidates are falling over themselves to get an audience with him?The Juggler said:
Okay I just looked up his audience size and I am shocked.pjl44 said:
It's just that he has a massive audience. Same as if Oprah endorsed someone.The Juggler said:Why do people give a shit about what Joe Rogan thinks? He's the Fear Factor guy. I don't understand how that douche is somehow considered some kind of political expert now.
How the fuck can the Fear Factor guy (okay, and the News Radio) guy have an audience like this? He's nothing but a washed up comedian/reality tv show host. I don't get it.
Joe Rogan. haha.
Come on people
Oprah is a perfect analogy. Her influence is insane but it's not like she grew an audience on intellectual content. She has spun off stuff like Dr. Phil and Rachael Ray.
I think in either case an endorsement serves to open up your audience to check out your preferred candidate. They're not union leaders standing up in a hall and directing membership on how they should vote. Hell, the Sanders campaign just chopped up a clip from a recent podcast. It's not like Rogan was teeing up an endorsement. He just, in the course of conversation, said he was voting for Bernie.0 -
and it wasn't even that much of an endorsement. all he basically said was bernie is the most consistent, he said nothing about his policies or anything.pjl44 said:
If you're trying to understand why he's popular you have to ditch his resume. It comes down to him being a curious guy, a great host for conversations, and what Hugh said about a wide range of guests. If you earnestly want to grasp his appeal (and you don't want to listen to his shows), just start scrolling through his list of guests.The Juggler said:
You think Rogan's resume is on par with Oprah's? I'm not a huge Oprah fan (haha) but I would lend more credence to someone like that over a "respected MMA announcer" any day of the week.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would anyone give a fuck about oprah's endorsement? the same reason. in a perfect world, politicians would be seeking endorsements from college professors, inventors, scientists, but no, they go with people who live in hollywood because the average voter is a blooming idiot.The Juggler said:
See my last post. Washed up was the wrong word, I guess. I don't understand how a comedian/reality tv show host/"respected MMA announcer"(really, there is such a thing???!) give him credibility in anything outside of those arenas.HughFreakingDillon said:
washed up? really? he's one of the most popular stand up comedians out there right now. his podcast has millions of subscribers. he is a massively influential and respected MMA announcer. why do you think all of these candidates are falling over themselves to get an audience with him?The Juggler said:
Okay I just looked up his audience size and I am shocked.pjl44 said:
It's just that he has a massive audience. Same as if Oprah endorsed someone.The Juggler said:Why do people give a shit about what Joe Rogan thinks? He's the Fear Factor guy. I don't understand how that douche is somehow considered some kind of political expert now.
How the fuck can the Fear Factor guy (okay, and the News Radio) guy have an audience like this? He's nothing but a washed up comedian/reality tv show host. I don't get it.
Joe Rogan. haha.
Come on people
Oprah is a perfect analogy. Her influence is insane but it's not like she grew an audience on intellectual content. She has spun off stuff like Dr. Phil and Rachael Ray.
I think in either case an endorsement serves to open up your audience to check out your preferred candidate. They're not union leaders standing up in a hall and directing membership on how they should vote. Hell, the Sanders campaign just chopped up a clip from a recent podcast. It's not like Rogan was teeing up an endorsement. He just, in the course of conversation, said he was voting for Bernie.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist.
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So if I vote for the gay guy, I might be a bigot? Fascinating...Spiritual_Chaos said:The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist.0 -
A Jewish Democratic Socialist?Spiritual_Chaos said:The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist.0 -
I thought the porch was cage fighting. This topic has devolved. Wonder if there's anything new here the last couple weeks?0
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Spiritual_Chaos said:The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist.
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Your comments amaze us more and more every day.Spiritual_Chaos said:The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Level of fame has nothing to do with it. That is my whole point and I think Rogan's level of fame is literally the only reason people are giving his opinion any credence. When I asked why should I care about what he says about this, literally the only response is that he has such a huge audience. That's ridiculous.HughFreakingDillon said:
not on par, just an example of another famous person. why would you lend more credence to oprah's opinion? because of her level of fame?The Juggler said:
You think Rogan's resume is on par with Oprah's? I'm not a huge Oprah fan (haha) but I would lend more credence to someone like that over a "respected MMA announcer" any day of the week.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would anyone give a fuck about oprah's endorsement? the same reason. in a perfect world, politicians would be seeking endorsements from college professors, inventors, scientists, but no, they go with people who live in hollywood because the average voter is a blooming idiot.The Juggler said:
See my last post. Washed up was the wrong word, I guess. I don't understand how a comedian/reality tv show host/"respected MMA announcer"(really, there is such a thing???!) give him credibility in anything outside of those arenas.HughFreakingDillon said:
washed up? really? he's one of the most popular stand up comedians out there right now. his podcast has millions of subscribers. he is a massively influential and respected MMA announcer. why do you think all of these candidates are falling over themselves to get an audience with him?The Juggler said:
Okay I just looked up his audience size and I am shocked.pjl44 said:
It's just that he has a massive audience. Same as if Oprah endorsed someone.The Juggler said:Why do people give a shit about what Joe Rogan thinks? He's the Fear Factor guy. I don't understand how that douche is somehow considered some kind of political expert now.
How the fuck can the Fear Factor guy (okay, and the News Radio) guy have an audience like this? He's nothing but a washed up comedian/reality tv show host. I don't get it.
Joe Rogan. haha.
Come on people
i'm not really sure what your last two sentences are about. Sanders is the one who tweeted rogan's endorsement. You asked why rogan has so many followers, I told you. If you haven't watched or listened to him, you are commenting from an ignorant place. the fact you dismiss him simply because he's from MMA is also profoundly ignorant. he's an incredibly intelligent guy.
No, look at Oprah's philanthropy, her success as a business woman, and look how she's conducted herself personally (no weird conspiracy theories spouted by her in comparison to this Rogan guy etc). That stuff gives you credibility when talking about things that matter in people's lives. And, again, I don't really like Oprah Winfrey at all. You just used her as an example for some reason. But, yeah, her opinion matters to me much more than someone like Joe Rogan. I also seem to think she is incredibly intelligent.
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That wasn't the only response. I suggested you shouldn't care about what anyone like that has to say about politics. Joe Rogan, Oprah, Eddie Vedder, etc.The Juggler said:
Level of fame has nothing to do with it. That is my whole point and I think Rogan's level of fame is literally the only reason people are giving his opinion any credence. When I asked why should I care about what he says about this, literally the only response is that he has such a huge audience. That's ridiculous.HughFreakingDillon said:
not on par, just an example of another famous person. why would you lend more credence to oprah's opinion? because of her level of fame?The Juggler said:
You think Rogan's resume is on par with Oprah's? I'm not a huge Oprah fan (haha) but I would lend more credence to someone like that over a "respected MMA announcer" any day of the week.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would anyone give a fuck about oprah's endorsement? the same reason. in a perfect world, politicians would be seeking endorsements from college professors, inventors, scientists, but no, they go with people who live in hollywood because the average voter is a blooming idiot.The Juggler said:
See my last post. Washed up was the wrong word, I guess. I don't understand how a comedian/reality tv show host/"respected MMA announcer"(really, there is such a thing???!) give him credibility in anything outside of those arenas.HughFreakingDillon said:
washed up? really? he's one of the most popular stand up comedians out there right now. his podcast has millions of subscribers. he is a massively influential and respected MMA announcer. why do you think all of these candidates are falling over themselves to get an audience with him?The Juggler said:
Okay I just looked up his audience size and I am shocked.pjl44 said:
It's just that he has a massive audience. Same as if Oprah endorsed someone.The Juggler said:Why do people give a shit about what Joe Rogan thinks? He's the Fear Factor guy. I don't understand how that douche is somehow considered some kind of political expert now.
How the fuck can the Fear Factor guy (okay, and the News Radio) guy have an audience like this? He's nothing but a washed up comedian/reality tv show host. I don't get it.
Joe Rogan. haha.
Come on people
i'm not really sure what your last two sentences are about. Sanders is the one who tweeted rogan's endorsement. You asked why rogan has so many followers, I told you. If you haven't watched or listened to him, you are commenting from an ignorant place. the fact you dismiss him simply because he's from MMA is also profoundly ignorant. he's an incredibly intelligent guy.
No, look at Oprah's philanthropy, her success as a business woman, and look how she's conducted herself personally (no weird conspiracy theories spouted by her in comparison to this Rogan guy etc). That stuff gives you credibility when talking about things that matter in people's lives. And, again, I don't really like Oprah Winfrey at all. You just used her as an example for some reason. But, yeah, her opinion matters to me much more than someone like Joe Rogan. I also seem to think she is incredibly intelligent.
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no, my response was you shouldn't care. I said the reason others care about what he says is because of his audience, and that's it unfortunate that is how our society and politics work.The Juggler said:
Level of fame has nothing to do with it. That is my whole point and I think Rogan's level of fame is literally the only reason people are giving his opinion any credence. When I asked why should I care about what he says about this, literally the only response is that he has such a huge audience. That's ridiculous.HughFreakingDillon said:
not on par, just an example of another famous person. why would you lend more credence to oprah's opinion? because of her level of fame?The Juggler said:
You think Rogan's resume is on par with Oprah's? I'm not a huge Oprah fan (haha) but I would lend more credence to someone like that over a "respected MMA announcer" any day of the week.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would anyone give a fuck about oprah's endorsement? the same reason. in a perfect world, politicians would be seeking endorsements from college professors, inventors, scientists, but no, they go with people who live in hollywood because the average voter is a blooming idiot.The Juggler said:
See my last post. Washed up was the wrong word, I guess. I don't understand how a comedian/reality tv show host/"respected MMA announcer"(really, there is such a thing???!) give him credibility in anything outside of those arenas.HughFreakingDillon said:
washed up? really? he's one of the most popular stand up comedians out there right now. his podcast has millions of subscribers. he is a massively influential and respected MMA announcer. why do you think all of these candidates are falling over themselves to get an audience with him?The Juggler said:
Okay I just looked up his audience size and I am shocked.pjl44 said:
It's just that he has a massive audience. Same as if Oprah endorsed someone.The Juggler said:Why do people give a shit about what Joe Rogan thinks? He's the Fear Factor guy. I don't understand how that douche is somehow considered some kind of political expert now.
How the fuck can the Fear Factor guy (okay, and the News Radio) guy have an audience like this? He's nothing but a washed up comedian/reality tv show host. I don't get it.
Joe Rogan. haha.
Come on people
i'm not really sure what your last two sentences are about. Sanders is the one who tweeted rogan's endorsement. You asked why rogan has so many followers, I told you. If you haven't watched or listened to him, you are commenting from an ignorant place. the fact you dismiss him simply because he's from MMA is also profoundly ignorant. he's an incredibly intelligent guy.
No, look at Oprah's philanthropy, her success as a business woman, and look how she's conducted herself personally (no weird conspiracy theories spouted by her in comparison to this Rogan guy etc). That stuff gives you credibility when talking about things that matter in people's lives. And, again, I don't really like Oprah Winfrey at all. You just used her as an example for some reason. But, yeah, her opinion matters to me much more than someone like Joe Rogan. I also seem to think she is incredibly intelligent.
I really don't know who is giving rogan's opinion any credence beyond the sanders campaign. I just find him entertaining.
I used oprah, as stated, just as a random celebrity (probably because I saw a video last night online with her and the rock drinking his tequila). I don't know who you'd find on par with rogan, since you don't seem to think he's at all famous for anything.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
this conversation isnt going anywhere with this irrelevant stuff.So, what do you think? The non-Senator candidates keep campaigning in fairness to the 3 sitting for the trial? Should they?_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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not sure how it's not relevant. sanders posted an endorsement by a polarizing figure. pretty relevant to me.mickeyrat said:this conversation isnt going anywhere with this irrelevant stuff.So, what do you think? The non-Senator candidates keep campaigning in fairness to the 3 sitting for the trial? Should they?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
ok. exhausted conversation. Again I will point out I think Joe said he WOULD not WILL vote for Bernie. So not exactly a ringing endorsement. I wonder how Joe feels about that snippet being used this way....... it is his work product being co-opted.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure how it's not relevant. sanders posted an endorsement by a polarizing figure. pretty relevant to me.mickeyrat said:this conversation isnt goink9g anywhere with this irrelevant stuff.So, what do you think? The non-Senator candidates keep campaigning in fairness to the 3 sitting for the trial? Should they?
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I would be shocked if the sanders campaign didn't check with rogan and his team prior to posting that.mickeyrat said:
ok. exhausted conversation. Again I will point out I think Joe said he WOULD not WILL vote for Bernie. So not exactly a ringing endorsement. I wonder how Joe feels about that snippet being used this way....... it is his work product being co-opted.HughFreakingDillon said:
not sure how it's not relevant. sanders posted an endorsement by a polarizing figure. pretty relevant to me.mickeyrat said:this conversation isnt goink9g anywhere with this irrelevant stuff.So, what do you think? The non-Senator candidates keep campaigning in fairness to the 3 sitting for the trial? Should they?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
This is what I argued four years ago. Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.CM189191 said:0 -
One of the worst takes I have ever seen on here in the last 20+ years.Spiritual_Chaos said:The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist.
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your post doesn’t ring true.The Juggler said:
One of the worst takes I have ever seen on here in the last 20+ years.Spiritual_Chaos said:The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist.
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