Shut out once again. Ten Club, I would like an explanation
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Folks, we just got confirmation that one indeed was user error. Now we're down to one anomaly. Let's relax.
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moses-i said:As I said, it is an oversimplification that assumes the odds stay the same with each round. Your explanation of the system as we understand proves by point-it is impossible to get shut out at a first choice pick while others get it at third.EV~Toronto Night 2 - 2008
Toronto - 2009
NYC Night 2 - 2010
Toronto Night 2 - 2011
Music Midtown, Atlanta - 2012
London,ON - 2013
Wrigley Field, Chicago - 2013
Buffalo - 2013
Charlottesville - 2013
Charlotte - 2013
Detroit - 2014
Ottawa - 2016
Toronto Night 1&2 - 2016
Wrigley Field 1, Chicago - 2016
EV~Dana Point CA - 2016
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JojoRice said:
Thanks Jo
There is no way with one TO show the odds would be 99% coming from 37%. Perhaps they have a few thousand more tix this time but not enough to cover a 2nd show.
But the inaccurate odds doesn't explain how we have round 3 and 4 BA winners and round 1 and 2 BA losers0 -
Lerxst1992 said:
His email said "due to demand." Did you read this topic before that low energy attempt to explain?Hamilton 05, 11, Cleveland 06, Toronto 09, 16, Buffalo 10,13, London 13, Seattle 13, Detroit 14, Milwaukee 14, Ottawa 16, Fenway 1, Wrigley 1
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Lerxst1992 said:
Thanks for reading this topic carefully before that long comment. The odds have always been simple. And the odds were never before 99% for most shows. So simple explanation is the odds are wrong
But that does not explain how 2 fans lost 4 shows total that were 99%, including first and second priority picks where others won tickets with 3rd and 4th picks.
If you have statistical proof how that is a valid occurance in a random 99% draw, please share.
Also the ticket request was stated as being a lottery, not a ticket request guarantee. Lottery implies a chance of winning and chance of losing. 99% still means you have 1% chance of losing. Don’t have to like it, but it is what it is.0 -
BennyLaRue said:Need to repost this, could be very key.
Is this possibly what happened, moses-i?
if jah is the ship, we smile at the storm.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:
His email said "due to demand." Did you read this topic before that low energy attempt to explain?0 -
Get_Right said:I am suggesting that when they stuck their hand in the bag to pull out a name, his was not pulled. Nobody really knows the process. Its a crapshoot and always has been. Pontificating the why is a waste of time.0
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jdizzle8291 said:It's first come first serve. The have so many tickets. They go to people who select first priority first. Only if there are any leftover, does 2nd priority get any. Only if everyone in 2nd priority gets there orders filled, should it spill to 3rd, or 4th etc....The wierd case with the original poster is he chose best available and had it as his 1st choice. Other people are getting those tickets in later rounds. Ergo his order should of been filled, before any tickets spilled over to later rounds.My question is if the original poster ever changed his selection. Presumably the system overwrites your original request if you put in a new one. Maybe that glitched?0
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Lerxst1992 said:
Thanks for reading this topic carefully before that long comment. The odds have always been simple. And the odds were never before 99% for most shows. So simple explanation is the odds are wrong
But that does not explain how 2 fans lost 4 shows total that were 99%, including first and second priority picks where others won tickets with 3rd and 4th picks.
If you have statistical proof how that is a valid occurance in a random 99% draw, please share.We are overlooking the potential for user error and jumping to computer error. I think the probabilities associated with human error are generally much higher than computer error.If we had a hundred fans having the same experience I might be more open to this.No way for us to know that the naming, the cards, the multiple submissions/checks on the odds...all sorts of things could have caused a small error which resulting in the poor folks not getting what they desired.This is not anything against those users, I just tend to trust computers processing correctly more than humans going through a number of steps in a process correctly.The love he receives is the love that is saved0 -
benjs said:Of all of the people saying they won, we've had two on this thread here saying they didn't. In the five pages since, one of them admitted they screwed up their re-entry and omitted Toronto. Again, it absolutely confounds me how people think Ticketmaster would go to great lengths to execute a dastardly plan to profit disproportionately this one time, and risk a severed relationship for every time forward and jump to this conclusion as the "most reasonable". I don't buy it for a second.
FYI, those saying they're worried about people who selected Best Available not being selected - I selected BA for Toronto and won that as my first go.
I'm usually one who defends TM here and never said they have a "plan." I am saying it looks like an error.0 -
benjs said:Of all of the people saying they won, we've had two on this thread here saying they didn't. In the five pages since, one of them admitted they screwed up their re-entry and omitted Toronto. Again, it absolutely confounds me how people think Ticketmaster would go to great lengths to execute a dastardly plan to profit disproportionately this one time, and risk a severed relationship for every time forward and jump to this conclusion as the "most reasonable". I don't buy it for a second.
FYI, those saying they're worried about people who selected Best Available not being selected - I selected BA for Toronto and won that as my first go.Agree.......but.....I watched people receiving their 2nd (and in once case 3rd) priority Toronto BA confirmation email prior to me receiving my 1st priority Toronto BA confirmation. And yes I was refreshing email.That says to me that there was something more than just a simple emptying of the priority buckets.0 -
Lerxst1992 said:
His email said "due to demand." Did you read this topic before that low energy attempt to explain?
To be fair, if it's an automated process of sending out that email it may or may not be correct. It's a standard form email.. I never trust those
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ecdanc said:I don't think they have a dastardly plan. I do think they can and will fuck up.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 10 -
Lerxst1992 said:
Thanks Jo
There is no way with one TO show the odds would be 99% coming from 37%. Perhaps they have a few thousand more tix this time but not enough to cover a 2nd show.
But the inaccurate odds doesn't explain how we have round 3 and 4 BA winners and round 1 and 2 BA losers0 -
Has the original posters scenario been repeated? Are there other people who lost out on TO that selected best available in round 1?
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Now I'm curious how the "Best Available" option actually works...Do we actually know the "Best Available" is basically equivalent to just doing reserved. Maybe it went in this order GA --> Reserved --> Best Available. In this case once all GA only and reserved only names were drawn, then Best Available gets drawn and is given GA (if any left, unlikely) or Reserved.
In this case it could be possible that lots of us who selected "Best Available as a, why not crapshoot for GA and then I'll just get reserved in the end" are actually lower down on the priority list for getting picked then we thought.
All this said, it's clear that if you put a show Best Available as #1 priority and someone else had the same selection as #3 priority, the #1 should be logically get it over #3. Just speculating if we really know how this all worked this time around is all.Post edited by BRWilly onMansfield 6/30/08
Boston 5/17/10
Baltimore 10/27/13
Central Park 9/26/15
Philadelphia 4/29/16 (TEN)
Fenway Park 8/5/16
Fenway Park 9/4/18
St. Paul 9/2/23
Philadelphia 9/7/24
Baltimore 9/12/24
Jazz Fest 5/3/25
Raleigh I 5/11/25
Raleigh II 5/13/25
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moses-i said:No, the rules said name on account needs to be the same, which they both are. My credit card also matches the name on both accounts. The only difference is that I have different emails. But my ticketmaster account email is literally my full name.
This is possibly just a simple error, not a systematic issue, and I would hope support will hook you up.0 -
JBob87 said:This is the point that everyone explaining this a “bad luck” seems to be missing. Pretty cut and dry with how we know and have always known the lottery to work.Toronto 2000
Buffalo, Phoenix, Toronto 2003
Boston I&II 2004
Kitchener, Hamilton, London, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto 2005
Toronto I&II, Las Vegas 2006
Chicago Lollapalooza 2007
Toronto, Seattle I&II, Vancouver, Philly I,II,III,IV 2009
Cleveland, Buffalo 2010
Toronto I&II 2011
Buffalo 2013
Toronto I&II 2016
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Zod said:It's first come first serve. The have so many tickets. They go to people who select first priority first. Only if there are any leftover, does 2nd priority get any. Only if everyone in 2nd priority gets there orders filled, should it spill to 3rd, or 4th etc....The wierd case with the original poster is he chose best available and had it as his 1st choice. Other people are getting those tickets in later rounds. Ergo his order should of been filled, before any tickets spilled over to later rounds.My question is if the original poster ever changed his selection. Presumably the system overwrites your original request if you put in a new one. Maybe that glitched?if jah is the ship, we smile at the storm.0
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