The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    With me this has nothing to do with purity, I see too many risks with Biden. If he wins the primary I would hit the streets and campaign for him if I could but I worry he's going to blow it. Like Hillary he was the "safe" candidate, I just don't believe that's going to get the number one job done, beating the orange fuckface.

    I think motivating the democratic base is the path to victory, I don't think Biden is the one to get that done.
    That's fine and fair.  I was more talking about Hugh's concern whether have Harris on the ticket would be bad optics.  My opinion, black people by and large would not be insulted.  If anyone was insulted, I could see hardcore white liberals as the ones.  That's why I brought up the Ralph example.  
    yeah, I could see that. 
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  • mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
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  • cincybearcat
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    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Super woke reply by you.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Yeah dude.  I'm speaking specifically about the documentary "Soul Man", which was the academic response to the Eddie Murphy documentary "White Like Me". You should educate yourself on these historical studies.

    https://youtu.be/l_LeJfn_qW0
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Yeah dude.  I'm speaking specifically about the documentary "Soul Man", which was the academic response to the Eddie Murphy documentary "White Like Me". You should educate yourself on these historical studies.

    https://youtu.be/l_LeJfn_qW0
    And that was clear as sunshine and should have been clearly evident by your use of the term “actual minorities.” My bad.
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  • mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
    Asking a question is now an “attack?” What or how did I attack mrussel?
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  • mrussel1
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    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Yeah dude.  I'm speaking specifically about the documentary "Soul Man", which was the academic response to the Eddie Murphy documentary "White Like Me". You should educate yourself on these historical studies.

    https://youtu.be/l_LeJfn_qW0
    And that was clear as sunshine and should have been clearly evident by your use of the term “actual minorities.” My bad.
    I think my sentence was crystal clear.  Cincy got it.  I was comparing the white straight liberals to minorities.  I would hope the word 'actual' didn't offend you.  If it did, then you did an excellent job of making my point.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
    Asking a question is now an “attack?” What or how did I attack mrussel?
    I'm probably going to have to report you.  My apologies in advance.  
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    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think. 
    I don't have anything against Harris but she is pretty abrasive.  While I like that trait in her I don't think it translates well in our current environment.  I really don't see a Biden/Harris ticket.  I'm still thinking Biden/Buttigieg or Biden/Booker
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    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
    Asking a question is now an “attack?” What or how did I attack mrussel?
    Perhaps "attack" isnt the right word.  But again, you get hung up on the minutiae.  It's really bizarre.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
    Asking a question is now an “attack?” What or how did I attack mrussel?
    Perhaps "attack" isnt the right word.  But again, you get hung up on the minutiae.  It's really bizarre.
    not really bizarre. typical of a passive/aggressive internet bullshit. sets it up just short of an attack, so you think one is coming or has already arrived (it will or it has), you get on the defense to try to pre-empt it, so you defend yourself/your position thinking you were actually just challenged/insulted (you were) while he has just enough plausible deniability to claim ignorance and then tells you to "calm down".

    it's old and and it's weak and it's so fucking transparent. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    jeffbr said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Rachel Dolezal
    She is definitely a minority. How many people fake their race?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    dignin said:
    jeffbr said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Rachel Dolezal
    She is definitely a minority. How many people fake their race?
    Ha!  Nice one.  
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think. 
    I don't have anything against Harris but she is pretty abrasive.  While I like that trait in her I don't think it translates well in our current environment.  I really don't see a Biden/Harris ticket.  I'm still thinking Biden/Buttigieg or Biden/Booker
    Biden Booker feels right.  I don't see Pete simply because he doesn't bring anything specific if he doesn't get the nomination himself.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Pretty easy to read actually.  He is talking about "White Straight Liberals" vs minorities.  and the "White Straight Liberals" can afford to be 'pure' in their politics cause the effects of the candidate losing to the R doesn't really affect them.  And certainly not as much as the minorities.  
    Are there minorities or “actual minorities?” Do people pretend to be minorities or are there fake minorities? Thanks mrussel, I appreciate your response.
    Dude you are just trying to paint something that isn't there.  And I'm allowed to comment on it.  Especially when it's easy to understand.  Perhaps read for comprehension instead of read to try and come up with an attack?  
    Asking a question is now an “attack?” What or how did I attack mrussel?
    Perhaps "attack" isnt the right word.  But again, you get hung up on the minutiae.  It's really bizarre.
    not really bizarre. typical of a passive/aggressive internet bullshit. sets it up just short of an attack, so you think one is coming or has already arrived (it will or it has), you get on the defense to try to pre-empt it, so you defend yourself/your position thinking you were actually just challenged/insulted (you were) while he has just enough plausible deniability to claim ignorance and then tells you to "calm down".

    it's old and and it's weak and it's so fucking transparent. 
    That’s weak. Because I asked a question requesting clarification or for further explanation?  You can report me along with mrussel.
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  • jeffbr said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?
    Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.
    why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy. 
    It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her.  All of this is true and is totally ironic.  It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters.  It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face.  White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters.  The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.  
    No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.
    That's exactly right.  They are focused on results and improving their lives.  White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities.  They can afford to be 'pure'.  
    “Actual minorities?” Are there fake minorities? Please expound. And who are “they?”
    Rachel Dolezal
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