The Democratic Presidential Debates
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I guess you can't win for losing.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
it's just another highlight on the system that the rich are the ones in power. and it will remain that way. the rich will never give up that power.mrussel1 said:
I guess you can't win for losing.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:hippiemom = goodness0 -
Meh... Harris's net worth is close to Biden's, and he has 30 more years of pension which is part of the calculation. So I'm not sure I agree in this case.HughFreakingDillon said:
it's just another highlight on the system that the rich are the ones in power. and it will remain that way. the rich will never give up that power.mrussel1 said:
I guess you can't win for losing.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
Yeah, but what if the white guy (as you so frequently point out) is creepy as hell and should probably adopt a Mike Pence philosophy of not being alone with women?cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
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Biden is creepy as hell and shouldn’t be alone ever with anyone. I’m unsure if just saving the women is enough...we have children and men to think about here.OnWis97 said:
Yeah, but what if the white guy (as you so frequently point out) is creepy as hell and should probably adopt a Mike Pence philosophy of not being alone with women?cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:
Creepiness apparently doesn’t effect voters for either party.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:
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Oh, I just said that the debates matter more than ever, not that they produce good or bad. This is exactly what I meant - the debates matter, but not in a positive way, because these debates are just so easy to exploit.mrussel1 said:
Ben - you'd be right except for the debates also turn into sound bites.benjs said:
And I hate to say it, but the debates matter more than ever in this world full of memes and sound bites.dignin said:
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.mrussel1 said:
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.dignin said:
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?mrussel1 said:
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.dignin said:
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.darwinstheory said:
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.Spiritual_Chaos said:
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Ledbetterman10 said:
I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:
The "democratic electorate" is almost a scary as Trump.
So far they've "rejected" everyone except Biden and two socialists
And they're trying their best to reject Biden0 -
why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy.cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Haha. Yeah, health care and education for everyone sure is scary.Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:
The "democratic electorate" is almost a scary as Trump.
Anyways, I agree with Ledbetterman10. Harris would be a bad choice, nothing to be gained by it.0 -
Hmmm, I didn’t even get the point of your post apparently.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy.cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:Now that I do, no I don’t think it matters. I don’t see picking an African-american running mate as buying a slave. But I’ve been wrong before
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Hahahaha. Yeah cause that’s all they are talking about. What does education for everyone mean anyhow? Wanna be an art history major? Go to school for free! Wanna major in underwater basket weaving? Get your degree for free!dignin said:
Haha. Yeah, health care and education for everyone sure is scary.Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:
The "democratic electorate" is almost a scary as Trump.
Anyways, I agree with Ledbetterman10. Harris would be a bad choice, nothing to be gained by it.hippiemom = goodness0 -
It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her. All of this is true and is totally ironic. It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters. It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face. White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters. The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy.cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.mrussel1 said:
It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her. All of this is true and is totally ironic. It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters. It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face. White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters. The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy.cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
That's exactly right. They are focused on results and improving their lives. White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities. They can afford to be 'pure'.dignin said:
No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.mrussel1 said:
It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her. All of this is true and is totally ironic. It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters. It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face. White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters. The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy.cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
cincybearcat said:
Hahahaha. Yeah cause that’s all they are talking about. What does education for everyone mean anyhow? Wanna be an art history major? Go to school for free! Wanna major in underwater basket weaving? Get your degree for free!dignin said:
Haha. Yeah, health care and education for everyone sure is scary.Lerxst1992 said:Ledbetterman10 said:
I can't speak to the optics of that but just in general, I don't see how Harris could be beneficial to Biden as a running mate. Wasn't he doing better with black voters than her when she dropped out? If she can't help bring in black voters, she's useless. And actually, she might be to his detriment. She's already been rejected by the democratic electorate if she's dropping out before the primaries. And that's the democratic electorate. In a general election, where Biden (or whoever) will be looking to gain votes from independents and people that regret their 2016 Trump vote, Harris as the running-mate will be more hurtful than helpful I think.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:
The "democratic electorate" is almost a scary as Trump.
Anyways, I agree with Ledbetterman10. Harris would be a bad choice, nothing to be gained by it.
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But promising free free free does not work in America and its stunning a national politician like Warren doesnt get it0 -
With me this has nothing to do with purity, I see too many risks with Biden. If he wins the primary I would hit the streets and campaign for him if I could but I worry he's going to blow it. Like Hillary he was the "safe" candidate, I just don't believe that's going to get the number one job done, beating the orange fuckface.mrussel1 said:
That's exactly right. They are focused on results and improving their lives. White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities. They can afford to be 'pure'.dignin said:
No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.mrussel1 said:
It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her. All of this is true and is totally ironic. It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters. It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face. White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters. The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy.cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:
I think motivating the democratic base is the path to victory, I don't think Biden is the one to get that done.0 -
That's fine and fair. I was more talking about Hugh's concern whether have Harris on the ticket would be bad optics. My opinion, black people by and large would not be insulted. If anyone was insulted, I could see hardcore white liberals as the ones. That's why I brought up the Ralph example.dignin said:
With me this has nothing to do with purity, I see too many risks with Biden. If he wins the primary I would hit the streets and campaign for him if I could but I worry he's going to blow it. Like Hillary he was the "safe" candidate, I just don't believe that's going to get the number one job done, beating the orange fuckface.mrussel1 said:
That's exactly right. They are focused on results and improving their lives. White straight liberals do not have as much at stake as the actual minorities. They can afford to be 'pure'.dignin said:
No shit, they obviously have more to lose if a republican was their next governor.mrussel1 said:
It's funny that you say this, along with the comment about how Biden is doing fine with black voters without her. All of this is true and is totally ironic. It's the woke white voters that are as concerned, if not more, than the actual black voters. It's no different than the Ralph Northam issue here in VA with the black face. White Democrats, by a 2 to 1 margin, were more likely to say he should resign than actual black voters. The last poll I saw on that said that 65% of black voters supported Northam staying in office.HughFreakingDillon said:
why would it? black people never had white people as slaves in america. all I'm saying is, in today's political climate, where everyone finds something to be offended about in everything, I could see far lefties and feminists turning on harris for looking as if she's "serving" the old rich white guy.cincybearcat said:
Didn’t seem to hurt the black guy when he picked the old white guy.HughFreakingDillon said:
anyone think the optics of an old white guy choosing a black woman as his right hand might backfire?Halifax2TheMax said:
I think motivating the democratic base is the path to victory, I don't think Biden is the one to get that done.0 -
Ha! Well I guess I can't argue that one. They are definitely expoitable. I'm still seething over the "raise your hands if you support healthcare for undocumented immigrant" question.benjs said:
Oh, I just said that the debates matter more than ever, not that they produce good or bad. This is exactly what I meant - the debates matter, but not in a positive way, because these debates are just so easy to exploit.mrussel1 said:
Ben - you'd be right except for the debates also turn into sound bites.benjs said:
And I hate to say it, but the debates matter more than ever in this world full of memes and sound bites.dignin said:
I disagree. To think that a debate can't win or lose a presidency ignores history. Especially in a historical period where elections have been decided by only thousands of votes.mrussel1 said:
Debates don't win presidencies and debates are not judged by a panel on the merits. I think the whole debate thing is rather silly. I don't even watch them anymore. It used to bre more meaningful when people got their information from the nightly news and newspapers.dignin said:
I think Pete and Warren would mop the floor with Trump in a debate. Can you say with confidence that Biden would?mrussel1 said:
Then find that person. It ain't Warren. I hope it's Pete, but I fear he's too nice. I want to see him get amped.dignin said:
That's an old clip, but I'm sure there are many more.darwinstheory said:
This is getting scary. That is a :31 clip that is a goldmine for the other side. I really prefer if the Democrats refrain from giving them any ammo at all.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Biden is not the guy to beat Trump like a drum.0
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