The Democratic Presidential Debates
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MOBILE POLLING places that popped up on college campuses and other population-dense areas were “the most effective program we had,” Dana DeBeauvoir, the chief elections official in Travis County, Tex., told the New York Times. That would explain why Texas Republicans shut them down.
The Times reported last week that, as Texans head to the polls, it will be substantially harder for college students to vote. A new state law required all polling places to remain open for the state’s full 12-day early-voting period. Localities could not afford to keep the pop-up sites open that long, so colleges in Austin, Brownsville, Fort Worth and elsewhere have had to close them. That guarantees lower turnout among people whom Republicans do no want voting: Democratic-leaning students.
Early voting is meant to enable more people to vote: Shift workers, for example, who cannot wait in line at a polling place on a Tuesday can still have a voice. Texas’s law turns that vote-enabling system into a vote-suppressing weapon. Republicans throughout the country have embraced voter suppression as a strategy for party survival, and this is one more sad example.In Florida, Republicans have tried repeatedly to end early voting on state campuses. They also tried to circumscribe the reach of a law that allows former felons to vote, even after voters overwhelmingly approved the law in a referendum. Republicans in New Hampshire, North Carolina, Tennessee and Wisconsin have made voting difficult for students in various ways; Republicans often use voter identification laws to exclude student voters, rejecting forms of ID that college students are likely to have. Typically, the pretext is the need to block in-person voter fraud — a practically nonexistent problem in the United States.article continues......
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Did I say that? Most educated people understand the definition of “maybe.” But you can call me stupid. I’ll add it to the list. Twice. Cue HFD.cincybearcat said:
My point being you saying 9/11 doesn’t happen if gore is president is stupid.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, the 1993 WTC bombing happened under Clinton and it was the Clinton Administration that tracked down those responsible and tried and convicted them. Your point being?cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.cincybearcat said:
My point being you saying 9/11 doesn’t happen if gore is president is stupid.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, the 1993 WTC bombing happened under Clinton and it was the Clinton Administration that tracked down those responsible and tried and convicted them. Your point being?cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
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You never said "maybe" but go ahead and out it in quotes and pretend you did.Halifax2TheMax said:
Did I say that? Most educated people understand the definition of “maybe.” But you can call me stupid. I’ll add it to the list. Twice. Cue HFD.cincybearcat said:
My point being you saying 9/11 doesn’t happen if gore is president is stupid.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, the 1993 WTC bombing happened under Clinton and it was the Clinton Administration that tracked down those responsible and tried and convicted them. Your point being?cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.cincybearcat said:
My point being you saying 9/11 doesn’t happen if gore is president is stupid.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, the 1993 WTC bombing happened under Clinton and it was the Clinton Administration that tracked down those responsible and tried and convicted them. Your point being?cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.
And again, the STATEMENT that 9/11 doesn't happen if Gore is president is a stupid STATEMENT. Not calling you anything.hippiemom = goodness0 -
@cincybearcat see that first word that begins with an “M?” What is it? Maybe you were confused by “he,” which in this context is Gore. Try to follow along with the stupid statements, would you please?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe he would have reacted and acted differently had he read the PDB that warned of an attack utilizing commercial airlines. But we’ll never know because of those Nader voters.cincybearcat said: koi
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
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hmmm didn't notice that response since you responded ot the same message with a different response. Very sorry. Don't appreciate your immediate antagonistic response and then this last one either though. But you keep being you if you want to. Hugs and kisses.Halifax2TheMax said:
@cincybearcat see that first word that begins with an “M?” What is it? Maybe you were confused by “he,” which in this context is Gore. Try to follow along with the stupid statements, would you please?Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe he would have reacted and acted differently had he read the PDB that warned of an attack utilizing commercial airlines. But we’ll never know because of those Nader voters.cincybearcat said: koi
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.hippiemom = goodness0 -
mcgruff10 said:
stop blaming Nader. Gore couldn't carry his home state of Tennessee and 200,000 dems voted against him in florida.Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe he would have reacted and acted differently had he read the PDB that warned of an attack utilizing commercial airlines. But we’ll never know because of those Nader voters.cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.
Might as well blame that Edward Louis Severson fella because he told me on 8.23.2000 to vote for Nader.0 -
I was 16 at the time, didn't follow politics, and only knew of Nader through Pearl Jam, which led to this conversation with my father:Lerxst1992 said:
Might as well blame that Edward Louis Severson fella because he told me on 8.23.2000 to vote for Nader.mcgruff10 said:
stop blaming Nader. Gore couldn't carry his home state of Tennessee and 200,000 dems voted against him in florida.Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe he would have reacted and acted differently had he read the PDB that warned of an attack utilizing commercial airlines. But we’ll never know because of those Nader voters.cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.
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Ha!Ledbetterman10 said:
I was 16 at the time, didn't follow politics, and only knew of Nader through Pearl Jam, which led to this conversation with my father:Lerxst1992 said:
Might as well blame that Edward Louis Severson fella because he told me on 8.23.2000 to vote for Nader.mcgruff10 said:
stop blaming Nader. Gore couldn't carry his home state of Tennessee and 200,000 dems voted against him in florida.Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe he would have reacted and acted differently had he read the PDB that warned of an attack utilizing commercial airlines. But we’ll never know because of those Nader voters.cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.
Me: Are you going to vote for Ralph Nader?
Dad: Of course not. Only idiots would vote for him.
Me: Pearl Jam's voting for him.
Dad: Exactly0 -
pardon?Halifax2TheMax said:
Did I say that? Most educated people understand the definition of “maybe.” But you can call me stupid. I’ll add it to the list. Twice. Cue HFD.cincybearcat said:
My point being you saying 9/11 doesn’t happen if gore is president is stupid.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, the 1993 WTC bombing happened under Clinton and it was the Clinton Administration that tracked down those responsible and tried and convicted them. Your point being?cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.cincybearcat said:
My point being you saying 9/11 doesn’t happen if gore is president is stupid.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yea, the 1993 WTC bombing happened under Clinton and it was the Clinton Administration that tracked down those responsible and tried and convicted them. Your point being?cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Ledbetterman10 said:
I was 16 at the time, didn't follow politics, and only knew of Nader through Pearl Jam, which led to this conversation with my father:Lerxst1992 said:
Might as well blame that Edward Louis Severson fella because he told me on 8.23.2000 to vote for Nader.mcgruff10 said:
stop blaming Nader. Gore couldn't carry his home state of Tennessee and 200,000 dems voted against him in florida.Halifax2TheMax said:
Maybe he would have reacted and acted differently had he read the PDB that warned of an attack utilizing commercial airlines. But we’ll never know because of those Nader voters.cincybearcat said:
Wait - so you think 9/11 doesn’t happen during Gore? What about the WTC bombing during Clinton? What was magical about Gore?Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you think the Iraq war happens too under a Gore Administration? Or 9/11? Or the Medicaid donut hole?mcgruff10 said:Ghandi could have been elected to the us and world war 1 would have still happened because Europe 1914 had literally nothing to do with the US. Princip is still killing Franz Ferdinand regardless of an election in 1912.
The treaty of Versailles had nothing to do with Wilson. Dude do you need me to send you a few books on world war 1?
I ve been voting blue since 1996 so I don’t understand this blind alliegiance to the Democratic Party. It is ok to criticize and give to suggestions to where the party should go.
Me: Are you going to vote for Ralph Nader?
Dad: Of course not. Only idiots would vote for him.
Me: Pearl Jam's voting for him.
Dad: Exactly
I knew I was in a solid blue state so it was like being a free agent voter. But voters in florida voted for Nader anyway.
But that didnt stop my dad from laughing at me when Bush was inaugurated.
I cant say elected because technically that did not happen.
We just have to thank all those florida districts heavily populated with senior citizens and Jewish voters that went heavily for Pat Buchanon.0 -
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As impeachment news rages on almost no attention is on the democratic candidates this week.
And a major poll released yesterday shows the darling of the democratic party M4A is polling at 35% when the tax component is included.
This is not good news for those wanting someone other than trump
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/medicare-for-all-taxes-polling_n_5db8571ae4b066da55276e8f
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I think I’m about done with all these fucking clowns. Why do dems keep pushing Trump from the right on things like Syria, Russia ect. All this tough talk on Russia is concerning. “What, you gonna start another war?”
Things just seem really hypocritical depending on what party is in office. It’s all about getting elected then re-elected and serving those who bankrolled the campaign.
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Syria and Russia is not a right wing issue. It's an issue of whether you believe the US 1. Should deploy force for strategic interests 2. Should deploy force for humanitarian issues 3. Believe the US has a leadership role on the world stage. The opposing view is not left, it's isolationist. That's really what it's about, internationalism vs isolationist.Hi! said:I think I’m about done with all these fucking clowns. Why do dems keep pushing Trump from the right on things like Syria, Russia ect. All this tough talk on Russia is concerning. “What, you gonna start another war?”
Things just seem really hypocritical depending on what party is in office. It’s all about getting elected then re-elected and serving those who bankrolled the campaign.0 -
Or dispensing with decades of US foreign policy because of a PTape or interest free loan or money laundering via real estate. Release Team Trump Treason’s tax returns now.mrussel1 said:
Syria and Russia is not a right wing issue. It's an issue of whether you believe the US 1. Should deploy force for strategic interests 2. Should deploy force for humanitarian issues 3. Believe the US has a leadership role on the world stage. The opposing view is not left, it's isolationist. That's really what it's about, internationalism vs isolationist.Hi! said:I think I’m about done with all these fucking clowns. Why do dems keep pushing Trump from the right on things like Syria, Russia ect. All this tough talk on Russia is concerning. “What, you gonna start another war?”
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Literally a foreign policy standard that has served us well from 1945. It's really disgusting on so many levels. Now Iraq was a different story. That was never a security issue for us. It was a security issue for Israel, with a bonus of oil.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or dispensing with decades of US foreign policy because of a PTape or interest free loan or money laundering via real estate. Release Team Trump Treason’s tax returns now.mrussel1 said:
Syria and Russia is not a right wing issue. It's an issue of whether you believe the US 1. Should deploy force for strategic interests 2. Should deploy force for humanitarian issues 3. Believe the US has a leadership role on the world stage. The opposing view is not left, it's isolationist. That's really what it's about, internationalism vs isolationist.Hi! said:I think I’m about done with all these fucking clowns. Why do dems keep pushing Trump from the right on things like Syria, Russia ect. All this tough talk on Russia is concerning. “What, you gonna start another war?”
Things just seem really hypocritical depending on what party is in office. It’s all about getting elected then re-elected and serving those who bankrolled the campaign.0 -
I understand, but still am very conflicted personally, I suppose. So say that the dems do take power, then what? IDK, probably way to complicated for me. I want to think we are all over the world for the right reasons, which you gave some examples of, but I think if I’m being honest with myself, it’s all about money and power whatever. IDK, I think I’m really getting frustrated with dem leadership, this impeachment road to nowhere, ect.mrussel1 said:
Syria and Russia is not a right wing issue. It's an issue of whether you believe the US 1. Should deploy force for strategic interests 2. Should deploy force for humanitarian issues 3. Believe the US has a leadership role on the world stage. The opposing view is not left, it's isolationist. That's really what it's about, internationalism vs isolationist.Hi! said:I think I’m about done with all these fucking clowns. Why do dems keep pushing Trump from the right on things like Syria, Russia ect. All this tough talk on Russia is concerning. “What, you gonna start another war?”
Things just seem really hypocritical depending on what party is in office. It’s all about getting elected then re-elected and serving those who bankrolled the campaign.
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Did Obama believe what he was saying in the debates against Romney when he said, ““The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” Maybe he was taking a speak softly but carry a big stick approach. Probably not a good idea for President to be blabbering confrontational rhetoric towards another nation during a debate.
It’s frustrating because it seems like if your a pacifist, anti-war, or against regime change wars, you’re now labeled as some sort of Russian asset or Putin sympathizer.Detroit 2000, Detroit 2003 1-2, Grand Rapids VFC 2004, Philly 2005, Grand Rapids 2006, Detroit 2006, Cleveland 2006, Lollapalooza 2007, Detroit Eddie Solo 2011, Detroit 2014, Chicago 2016 1-2, Chicago 2018 1-2, Ohana Encore 2021 1-2, Chicago Eddie/Earthlings 2022 1-2, Nashville 2022, St. Louis 2022
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Putin had just assumed the president position in 2012. Russia was weak at the time. In retrospect, it was a bad statement and Romney was closer to bre correct. But the administration quickly corrected course when they realized the aggressive expansionism Russia was undertaking.Hi! said:Did Obama believe what he was saying in the debates against Romney when he said, ““The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.” Maybe he was taking a speak softly but carry a big stick approach. Probably not a good idea for President to be blabbering confrontational rhetoric towards another nation during a debate.
It’s frustrating because it seems like if your a pacifist, anti-war, or against regime change wars, you’re now labeled as some sort of Russian asset or Putin sympathizer.0
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