The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Great ending comment from Bill Maher last night about how difficult Democrats make it for voters by trying to outflank each other to the left

    https://youtu.be/JtPQQjj01kM


    Maher nails it again!

    Here's what I think:  I think far left (or as I'm beginning to see it, because they're not really left, they're just bat-shit crazy, the "out-to-lunch" Democrats) are doing their damnedest to get me to swing to the right.  I won't, but the nonsense the uber-left is shoving down our throats is crazy making.

    Besides those Maher talks about in the video, here's another example of left going over that fence into the bleachers:

    Earlier this week, one of our local cops (a hell of a nice guy and damn good cop) was killed- shot dead by a couple of illegal immigrants working on an illegal pot farm.  Our local Sheriff D'Agostini reached out to a grieving community as a result of this shooting but was then told by our uber-left total flake of a governor, Gov. Newsom, that D'Agostini is not allowed to contact U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) to find out more about the immigration statuses of both suspects because our state is a sanctuary state.  Oh, so we provide sanctuary for killers.  Right.  Got it.


    Now all this does not mean that I am really going to swing right and become a Republican or a Trump supporter.  But I might consider finding another, more sane planet to live on. 







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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    Bri we are starting to see this crazy Uber left craze here in New Jersey.  Our governor wants us to be the California of the east.   It is terrible. 
    And that was a great watch!  No way in hell should the Boston bomber be allowed to vote. What utter nonsense. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mcgruff10 said:
    Bri we are starting to see this crazy Uber left craze here in New Jersey.  Our governor wants us to be the California of the east.   It is terrible. 
    And that was a great watch!  No way in hell should the Boston bomber be allowed to vote. What utter nonsense. 
    No kidding!  What is Sanders thinking?  The wheels have come off!
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,460
    brianlux said:
    Great ending comment from Bill Maher last night about how difficult Democrats make it for voters by trying to outflank each other to the left

    https://youtu.be/JtPQQjj01kM


    Maher nails it again!

    Here's what I think:  I think far left (or as I'm beginning to see it, because they're not really left, they're just bat-shit crazy, the "out-to-lunch" Democrats) are doing their damnedest to get me to swing to the right.  I won't, but the nonsense the uber-left is shoving down our throats is crazy making.

    Besides those Maher talks about in the video, here's another example of left going over that fence into the bleachers:

    Earlier this week, one of our local cops (a hell of a nice guy and damn good cop) was killed- shot dead by a couple of illegal immigrants working on an illegal pot farm.  Our local Sheriff D'Agostini reached out to a grieving community as a result of this shooting but was then told by our uber-left total flake of a governor, Gov. Newsom, that D'Agostini is not allowed to contact U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) to find out more about the immigration statuses of both suspects because our state is a sanctuary state.  Oh, so we provide sanctuary for killers.  Right.  Got it.


    Now all this does not mean that I am really going to swing right and become a Republican or a Trump supporter.  But I might consider finding another, more sane planet to live on. 







    so where then does newsome stand on illegal grows(cartel grows given the plot tenders)? and I may be wrong but I thought sancuary cities/state was meant to protect the otherwise law abiding undocumented persons when reporting crime against them. plus some other protections?
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  • CM189191
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    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    edited October 2019
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    I see you that you are unable to have a normal Rationale conversation.  Moving on.


    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1 said:
    Maher is 100% correct.  It's possible to tack so far to one side during the primary, that you can't credibly move to the center afterwards. 
    It’s why Joe will be the nominee.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    mrussel1 said:
    Maher is 100% correct.  It's possible to tack so far to one side during the primary, that you can't credibly move to the center afterwards. 
    It’s why Joe will be the nominee.
    Agreed.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,485
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    so you post the definition of false dilemma, the fallacy of there being only two options, as your argument to mcgruff that there are only two options? interesting debate tactic.  

    shouting at people and insulting their intelligence isn't the way to get them to vote democrat. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    So I love an unreasonable argument.  Over what period of time is this statement?
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    So I love an unreasonable argument.  Over what period of time is this statement?
    I m going anytime pre 1964.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,460
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    So I love an unreasonable argument.  Over what period of time is this statement?
    I m going anytime pre 1964.  
    nah , pre Gingrich. thats when the turn in Congress began.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    So I love an unreasonable argument.  Over what period of time is this statement?
    I m going anytime pre 1964.  
    nah , pre Gingrich. thats when the turn in Congress began.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    edited October 2019
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    so you post the definition of false dilemma, the fallacy of there being only two options, as your argument to mcgruff that there are only two options? interesting debate tactic.  

    shouting at people and insulting their intelligence isn't the way to get them to vote democrat. 
    It is this sense of elitism displayed by CM that gives the dems a bad name and gives more and more ammo to trump. 

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    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
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    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    so you post the definition of false dilemma, the fallacy of there being only two options, as your argument to mcgruff that there are only two options? interesting debate tactic.  

    shouting at people and insulting their intelligence isn't the way to get them to vote democrat. 
    It is this sense of elitism that gives the dems a bad name and gives more and more ammo to trump. 

    Well, if you want to re-elect Team Trump Treason, vote third party.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    so you post the definition of false dilemma, the fallacy of there being only two options, as your argument to mcgruff that there are only two options? interesting debate tactic.  

    shouting at people and insulting their intelligence isn't the way to get them to vote democrat. 
    It is this sense of elitism that gives the dems a bad name and gives more and more ammo to trump. 

    Well, if you want to re-elect Team Trump Treason, vote third party.
    I m not gonna vote for someone on the far left.  Biden Or Pete I will vote for. Sander or warren?  Hell no. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,123
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    So I love an unreasonable argument.  Over what period of time is this statement?
    I m going anytime pre 1964.  
    nah , pre Gingrich. thats when the turn in Congress began.
    Clinton over Reagan/Bush and Bush/Quayle and Obama over Bush. Team Trump Treason won’t surpass Obama because like Reagan and Bush, exploded the deficit and ultimately will leave the Economy in shambles. But you know, libs get blamed for the economy the repubs ruined.
    Clinton over Reagan?  I like bill a lot but I think Reagan wins.  Regal definitely over carter.  

    Eisenhower or jfk/lbj?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
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    mcgruff10 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 
    Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 
    Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)
    jfc not this shit again

    We are a two party system

    Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

    It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 
    Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

    It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

    Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

    Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 
    So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

    False dilemma : 
    A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

    If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

    That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

    Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  
    So I love an unreasonable argument.  Over what period of time is this statement?
    I m going anytime pre 1964.  
    nah , pre Gingrich. thats when the turn in Congress began.
    Clinton over Reagan/Bush and Bush/Quayle and Obama over Bush. Team Trump Treason won’t surpass Obama because like Reagan and Bush, exploded the deficit and ultimately will leave the Economy in shambles. But you know, libs get blamed for the economy the repubs ruined.
    Clinton over Reagan?  I like bill a lot but I think Reagan wins.  Regal definitely over carter.  

    Eisenhower or jfk/lbj?
    JFK but not LBJ.  Ike would not have escalated Vietnam like Johnson,  I don't believe.  


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