Hey how about those 2 missing Ten Club singles!

mcgruff10 said:

NewJPage said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

smile6680 said:

Can I just pay 5 dollars a year and keep my seniority number and that's all I get. Once again most people I speak to at the concerts are only members to keep their number. Ten club would either fold or lose the majority of their membership dues if they got rid of seniority. They know they can jerk us around because of it. 

Yah, that's a tough one.   Every other fan club I've joined (u2, metallica, ac/dc, gnr, etc..) I only did for ticket access.   I'd sub in years I wanted to see a show then let it lapse.  PJ is the only one I've kept going for 20+ years.   Once seated tickets got allocated by seniority there's no way you don't renew, especially if you have an older membership.  It was a fairly clever move, even if that was an unintended consequence.

I joined in ‘98, and I remember very shortly after, I think in 2000, they announced it was by number to prevent people from lining up super early like they do for GA now.
A few times it was random by grouping. Grouping was by number, better number for better grouping, but was random within that group.
Thats how I remember it anyway. And you’re right, I would consider letting my membership lapse if they got rid of seniority. But for $30/year, I’m keeping my number.

Grouping was 03 tour if I remember right. After that they started doing it by individual numbers 

Grouping or "blocks" were used on the 2000 and 2003 tours.

Lost In Ohio said:

mcgruff10 said:

NewJPage said:

mace1229 said:

Zod said:

smile6680 said:

Can I just pay 5 dollars a year and keep my seniority number and that's all I get. Once again most people I speak to at the concerts are only members to keep their number. Ten club would either fold or lose the majority of their membership dues if they got rid of seniority. They know they can jerk us around because of it. 

Yah, that's a tough one.   Every other fan club I've joined (u2, metallica, ac/dc, gnr, etc..) I only did for ticket access.   I'd sub in years I wanted to see a show then let it lapse.  PJ is the only one I've kept going for 20+ years.   Once seated tickets got allocated by seniority there's no way you don't renew, especially if you have an older membership.  It was a fairly clever move, even if that was an unintended consequence.

I joined in ‘98, and I remember very shortly after, I think in 2000, they announced it was by number to prevent people from lining up super early like they do for GA now.
A few times it was random by grouping. Grouping was by number, better number for better grouping, but was random within that group.
Thats how I remember it anyway. And you’re right, I would consider letting my membership lapse if they got rid of seniority. But for $30/year, I’m keeping my number.

Grouping was 03 tour if I remember right. After that they started doing it by individual numbers 

Grouping or "blocks" were used on the 2000 and 2003 tours.

It wasn't necessarily random. What I remember: Tickets were assigned within a block, but the earlier you picked them up, the better you were within that block. It was a system that encouraged people to wait in line, but still rewarded older members.

BF25394 said:

on2legs said:

My experience was the same as yours.  I really disliked the distribution system that year.  We were arriving at venues at 10 in the morning just to be sure we got a decent spot in line when the ticket windows opened.  They also were filling out the entire floor section before they moved to the wings. So people with much higher numbers were right next to the stage while we were stuck at the back of the floor.  

At Nassau Coliseum in 2003, while we waited in the Ten Club line, a girl who had just been to the window walked by in tears.  She was crying happy tears because she had just bought tickets at the box office and they were in the third row.  She was not in the fan club.  When we got to the Ten Club window after waiting in line for an hour, our tickets (Mem. No. 107xxx) were in the 26th row.  That experience was very frustrating.

on2legs said:

BF25394 said:

on2legs said:

My experience was the same as yours.  I really disliked the distribution system that year.  We were arriving at venues at 10 in the morning just to be sure we got a decent spot in line when the ticket windows opened.  They also were filling out the entire floor section before they moved to the wings. So people with much higher numbers were right next to the stage while we were stuck at the back of the floor.  

At Nassau Coliseum in 2003, while we waited in the Ten Club line, a girl who had just been to the window walked by in tears.  She was crying happy tears because she had just bought tickets at the box office and they were in the third row.  She was not in the fan club.  When we got to the Ten Club window after waiting in line for an hour, our tickets (Mem. No. 107xxx) were in the 26th row.  That experience was very frustrating.

I hear you.  Frustrating is a great way to describe it.  I’m glad the ten club listened to the feedback after that tour and change the system after that. 

PB11041 said:

on2legs said:

BF25394 said:

on2legs said:

My experience was the same as yours.  I really disliked the distribution system that year.  We were arriving at venues at 10 in the morning just to be sure we got a decent spot in line when the ticket windows opened.  They also were filling out the entire floor section before they moved to the wings. So people with much higher numbers were right next to the stage while we were stuck at the back of the floor.  

At Nassau Coliseum in 2003, while we waited in the Ten Club line, a girl who had just been to the window walked by in tears.  She was crying happy tears because she had just bought tickets at the box office and they were in the third row.  She was not in the fan club.  When we got to the Ten Club window after waiting in line for an hour, our tickets (Mem. No. 107xxx) were in the 26th row.  That experience was very frustrating.

I hear you.  Frustrating is a great way to describe it.  I’m glad the ten club listened to the feedback after that tour and change the system after that. 

Everyone of the shows I used FanClub tix for in 2003 my tickets were handed to me in an envelope and the tickets were already pre-assigned. 

Poncier said:

Only shows in 2003 where they would have been in envelopes were MSG.
 Interview from after 2006 tour:

http://www.twofeetthick.com/2006/08/18/the-tft-interview-with-tim-bierman-part-2/

Jessica	But did you have something to do with deciding to move over the seniority model for tickets? Was that your call?
Tim	Everyone got together and tried to figure out how we were going to do it. It was just one of those brainstorming ideas. Obviously, I can’t remember the specifics of how that happened, but what I’m assuming is we got to a point of, “how are we going to do this? What can we do to make this ticketing thing work? How can we reward the people that have been with us the longest?” And obviously, we’ve had to tweak it a little bit a couple of times to make it work right.
Kathy	Do you mean the decision to move from seniority in blocks to number specific?
Tim	Yeah. It’s much easier than the block system. The block system was horrifying and it put an extreme amount of pressure on the [10C ticket] person on the day of the show because they had to come to the show, get the tickets, make sure they were all there, count them out.
Jessica	I think we found out at the Garden in 2003 when you guys did exact for the first time, that was great.

PB11041 said:

Poncier said:

Only shows in 2003 where they would have been in envelopes were MSG.
 Interview from after 2006 tour:

http://www.twofeetthick.com/2006/08/18/the-tft-interview-with-tim-bierman-part-2/

Jessica	But did you have something to do with deciding to move over the seniority model for tickets? Was that your call?
Tim	Everyone got together and tried to figure out how we were going to do it. It was just one of those brainstorming ideas. Obviously, I can’t remember the specifics of how that happened, but what I’m assuming is we got to a point of, “how are we going to do this? What can we do to make this ticketing thing work? How can we reward the people that have been with us the longest?” And obviously, we’ve had to tweak it a little bit a couple of times to make it work right.
Kathy	Do you mean the decision to move from seniority in blocks to number specific?
Tim	Yeah. It’s much easier than the block system. The block system was horrifying and it put an extreme amount of pressure on the [10C ticket] person on the day of the show because they had to come to the show, get the tickets, make sure they were all there, count them out.
Jessica	I think we found out at the Garden in 2003 when you guys did exact for the first time, that was great.

Yeah I think I am confusing people here, I am not saying they were not in blocks, I am just saying mine came in an envelope and was already set, so in theory and probably in practice, someone with a higher number in my block definitely could have had better seats and vice versa.

mcgruff10 said:

on2legs said:

PB11041 said:

Poncier said:

Only shows in 2003 where they would have been in envelopes were MSG.
 Interview from after 2006 tour:

http://www.twofeetthick.com/2006/08/18/the-tft-interview-with-tim-bierman-part-2/

Jessica	But did you have something to do with deciding to move over the seniority model for tickets? Was that your call?
Tim	Everyone got together and tried to figure out how we were going to do it. It was just one of those brainstorming ideas. Obviously, I can’t remember the specifics of how that happened, but what I’m assuming is we got to a point of, “how are we going to do this? What can we do to make this ticketing thing work? How can we reward the people that have been with us the longest?” And obviously, we’ve had to tweak it a little bit a couple of times to make it work right.
Kathy	Do you mean the decision to move from seniority in blocks to number specific?
Tim	Yeah. It’s much easier than the block system. The block system was horrifying and it put an extreme amount of pressure on the [10C ticket] person on the day of the show because they had to come to the show, get the tickets, make sure they were all there, count them out.
Jessica	I think we found out at the Garden in 2003 when you guys did exact for the first time, that was great.

Yeah I think I am confusing people here, I am not saying they were not in blocks, I am just saying mine came in an envelope and was already set, so in theory and probably in practice, someone with a higher number in my block definitely could have had better seats and vice versa.

The shows I went to... all the tickets were in stacks behind the counter.  No envelopes.  Just a stack of tickets for each block and once they checked your ID and verified your member number they just pulled two tickets off the top of the stack and handed them over.  

I used my 10c number for tix 8 times that tour and each time was exactly like you described.