Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Please there’s hundreds of children being held in cages at the border for months on end , I’m not talking adults just the kids what crimes have they’ve committed ?

There is an entire immigration thread to discuss that.  To answer your question, they have not...they are victims of irresponsible parents and government.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Seems like a pretty fucked up system that if after 2 weeks the cops cannot come to a conclusion so we will just keep him in detention for another week and hope something comes our way...that is an abuse of power...not surprised.

When, as I believe you stated, his passport could be simply revoked.  Is A$AP going to hide in Sweden?  I don't think that's likely

I agree, but I have not an answer to why this was/is not a possibility. So I would wait with judgment until knowing the reasoning/having the information about it. 

Also, the US have a "utlämningstillstånd" with Sweden - whatever thats called in english - so back in the US they should have arrested him if he fled and put him on a flight to Sweden (if he were needed for the trial)

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Please there’s hundreds of children being held in cages at the border for months on end , I’m not talking adults just the kids what crimes have they’ve committed ?

There is an entire immigration thread to discuss that.  To answer your question, they have not...they are victims of irresponsible parents and government.

Really I must of missed that threat , people are being held just the same the lol people get killed here just for being black the US should not be holding its nose up to the world as a Becon of justice that’s all ..

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Please there’s hundreds of children being held in cages at the border for months on end , I’m not talking adults just the kids what crimes have they’ve committed ?

There is an entire immigration thread to discuss that.  To answer your question, they have not...they are victims of irresponsible parents and government.

Really I must of missed that threat , people are being held just the same the lol people get killed here just for being black the US should not be holding its nose up to the world as a Becon of justice that’s all ..

Jose - there's a big difference between what is acceptable vs. unacceptable.  I think that's the point that's being made.  According to SC, this is appropriate under Swedish law.  Some of us think that's outrageous.  What you're pointing to are people that are doing things outside what is acceptable under the law.  

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Please there’s hundreds of children being held in cages at the border for months on end , I’m not talking adults just the kids what crimes have they’ve committed ?

There is an entire immigration thread to discuss that.  To answer your question, they have not...they are victims of irresponsible parents and government.

Really I must of missed that threat , people are being held just the same the lol people get killed here just for being black the US should not be holding its nose up to the world as a Becon of justice that’s all ..

You do know that they can self deport?  It is better to self deport than to be deported.  If you keep coming even though you know the conditions that you will face when caught, well that's on the parents...ignorance of the law is no excuse.  

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The US State Department has sent one of its top politicians to Sweden to discuss the arrested rap partner ASAP Rocky with the Swedish government.

Jan Hallenberg, at the Foreign Policy Institute, calls it extremely unusual.

 - The superpower always assumes that their system is superior and that everyone else should fall in line.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The US State Department has sent one of its top politicians to Sweden to discuss the arrested rap partner ASAP Rocky with the Swedish government.

Jan Hallenberg, at the Foreign Policy Institute, calls it extremely unusual.

 - The superpower always assumes that their system is superior and that everyone else should fall in line.

pjhawks said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The US State Department has sent one of its top politicians to Sweden to discuss the arrested rap partner ASAP Rocky with the Swedish government.

Jan Hallenberg, at the Foreign Policy Institute, calls it extremely unusual.

 - The superpower always assumes that their system is superior and that everyone else should fall in line.

ah so you are ok with your government holding a black man in jail for 3 weeks with no charges. good to know

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Please there’s hundreds of children being held in cages at the border for months on end , I’m not talking adults just the kids what crimes have they’ve committed ?

There is an entire immigration thread to discuss that.  To answer your question, they have not...they are victims of irresponsible parents and government.

Really I must of missed that threat , people are being held just the same the lol people get killed here just for being black the US should not be holding its nose up to the world as a Becon of justice that’s all ..

Jose - there's a big difference between what is acceptable vs. unacceptable.  I think that's the point that's being made.  According to SC, this is appropriate under Swedish law.  Some of us think that's outrageous.  What you're pointing to are people that are doing things outside what is acceptable under the law.  

So why should you be taken into custody when charged? You have not been proven guilty yet?

Innocent until proven guilty?

SOVIET UNION 1950!

It's called probable cause, again a tenant of common law.  Then a magistrate or judge sets bail or bond, something within state guidelines typically.  

Sweden[edit]

In the criminal code of some European countries, notably Sweden, probable cause is a higher level of suspicion than "justifiable grounds" in a two level system of formal suspicion. The latter refers only to the suspect being able to and sometimes having a motive to commit the crime and in some cases witness accounts, whereas probable cause generally requires a higher degree of physical evidence and allows for longer periods of detention before trial.

So, what is the big difference other than semantics? 

In Sweden a court finds that there is probable cause and that the person which has probable cause is suspected to harm the investigation against him/her or flee from being interrogated/trial etc - he can be put in detention. Otherwise they are set free, and the investigation might show they are innocent or a trial will be set.

1. What happens if a person is suspected of harming the investigation in the US? Or are at risk of fleeing?

2. What happens if a person is suspected of assault, and a bail/bond is set but he is slaving at 2-3 jobs for 8 dollars per hour, with no right to vacation and a wife who's expecting but won't have any right to maternity leave --  and cannot afford the bail/bond? ASAP could afford his bail obviously, but what happens with the ones who can't afford it?