Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

Meltdown99

Canada

F Me In The Brain said:

This is a dumb thread.
Please close.
I would flag, but I'm not such a wuss that flagging would be an option.

LMFAO...go ahead and flag it...

or or you could just ignore...LMFAO

brianlux

Anywhere other than planet earth

F Me In The Brain said:

This is a dumb thread.
Please close.
I would flag, but I'm not such a wuss that flagging would be an option.

Ah hell's bells man, I'll flag it for ya! 

 

lastexitlondon

Anywhere other than planet earth

F Me In The Brain said:

This is a dumb thread.
Please close.
I would flag, but I'm not such a wuss that flagging would be an option.

I do agree its just a pissing contest and in parts just rude. Best to be kind i think. This is just feeding  peoples need to get at eachother

Meltdown99

Canada

A pretty good version of imagine by this Swedish singer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVO8gjn3dFg

Annafalk

lastexitlondon said:

F Me In The Brain said:

This is a dumb thread.
Please close.
I would flag, but I'm not such a wuss that flagging would be an option.

I do agree its just a pissing contest and in parts just rude. Best to be kind i think. This is just feeding  peoples need to get at eachother

I agree, this doesn’t make anyone happier. We should lift each other instead !

lastexitlondon

Anywhere other than planet earth

Yes how about name the  good things about another country instead of your own. Cut the neg out

lastexitlondon

Anywhere other than planet earth

I loved berlin . I cant explain why. But the history . The people. The cakes and bread. .
Lots to do and see. 

brianlux

Anywhere other than planet earth

lastexitlondon said:

Yes how about name the  good things about another country instead of your own. Cut the neg out

I like that idea! 

One of the reasons I'm such a big Henry Rollins fan- these days more than ever- is because of his slide show/ talking our.  He goes to well know place and also these really obscure places and tells stories about them that give you the sense that the world is marvelously diverse and differences in cultures are really, really cool.  I would love to hear more interesting things about places I will probably never see. 

And I'm apologize to our Swedish friends for my crass remark about your food.  I'm sure some of it is probably great.  It's gotta be better than our artery clogging American cheeze burgers, that's for sure.  And from what I hear and see in photos, it looks like a lovely place.

Annafalk

lastexitlondon said:

I loved berlin . I cant explain why. But the history . The people. The cakes and bread. .
Lots to do and see. 

I’ve never been to Berlin, would love to visit some day
I’ll never forget the kindness and hospitality from the people I meet in the USA, (much more open and welcoming than here in my country)

lastexitlondon

Anywhere other than planet earth

I have a nice story 
Me and my tour buddy went to albany ny
To see pearl jam. We hired a car at jfk and drove. Got lost in the bronx when leaving queens . Got scared and just drove.
Any way i digress.
We parked up in albany on a parking meter and went for food. 
On our return a note was on our car.
"Hi my english friends, i paid the correct amout for your parking as you hadn't  paid enough, hope you enjoy your stay"
A kind soul had noticed we were  english and clueless.
Stuck with me. Good folk

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

cutz said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjhawks said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The US State Department has sent one of its top politicians to Sweden to discuss the arrested rap partner ASAP Rocky with the Swedish government.

Jan Hallenberg, at the Foreign Policy Institute, calls it extremely unusual.

 - The superpower always assumes that their system is superior and that everyone else should fall in line.

ah so you are ok with your government holding a black man in jail for 3 weeks with no charges. good to know

Why are you focusing on him being black?

You are undermining your own argument with that sleeze.

One can only assume race is a factor based on the rampant racism uptick in Sweden.

Racism in Sweden? No way that could ever happen. (sarcasm )

The projecting of yours is cute.

Not every police force or justice system is as rotten as the US'.

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

https://twitter.com/justinbieber/status/1152431873814962177

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

Expressen can reveal that it is deeply unpleasant for the Foreign Ministry and the government, and that there is already a ready-made strategy for managing Donald Trump's pressure on Sweden.

In short, the plan is not to deal with Trump's acting out.

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

josevolution said:

Meltdown99 said:

josevolution said:

Please there’s hundreds of children being held in cages at the border for months on end , I’m not talking adults just the kids what crimes have they’ve committed ?

There is an entire immigration thread to discuss that.  To answer your question, they have not...they are victims of irresponsible parents and government.

Really I must of missed that threat , people are being held just the same the lol people get killed here just for being black the US should not be holding its nose up to the world as a Becon of justice that’s all ..

Jose - there's a big difference between what is acceptable vs. unacceptable.  I think that's the point that's being made.  According to SC, this is appropriate under Swedish law.  Some of us think that's outrageous.  What you're pointing to are people that are doing things outside what is acceptable under the law.  

So why should you be taken into custody when charged? You have not been proven guilty yet?

Innocent until proven guilty?

SOVIET UNION 1950!

It's called probable cause, again a tenant of common law.  Then a magistrate or judge sets bail or bond, something within state guidelines typically.  

Sweden[edit]

In the criminal code of some European countries, notably Sweden, probable cause is a higher level of suspicion than "justifiable grounds" in a two level system of formal suspicion. The latter refers only to the suspect being able to and sometimes having a motive to commit the crime and in some cases witness accounts, whereas probable cause generally requires a higher degree of physical evidence and allows for longer periods of detention before trial.

So, what is the big difference other than semantics? 

In Sweden a court finds that there is probable cause and that the person which has probable cause is suspected to harm the investigation against him/her or flee from being interrogated/trial etc - he can be put in detention. Otherwise they are set free, and the investigation might show they are innocent or a trial will be set.

1. What happens if a person is suspected of harming the investigation in the US? Or are at risk of fleeing?

2. What happens if a person is suspected of assault, and a bail/bond is set but he is slaving at 2-3 jobs for 8 dollars per hour, with no right to vacation and a wife who's expecting but won't have any right to maternity leave --  and cannot afford the bail/bond? ASAP could afford his bail obviously, but what happens with the ones who can't afford it?

Judges don't determine probable cause at the time of arrest, unless we're talking about the issuance of a warrant.   The officer has cause and makes the arrest.  A person is booked.  They then go in front of a judge or magistrate who sets the bail based on 1. the crime 2. access to funds 3. likelihood of fleeing 4. likelihood of committing another crime.  If you don't have the money, then you go to a bail bondsmen who will provide funds for collateral (car, mortgage note, etc.).  

What if he's homeless or have not one dime, then the bail is $0?

And :

1. What happens if a person is suspected of harming the investigation in the US? Or are at risk of fleeing?

Noting if they aren’t charged with a crime. Being held while they decide whether or not to charge you is a few day thing at most in the US. Not a few week thing.

And "charge" is the same as "indict" / go to trial?

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

mcgruff10 said:

I doubt spiritual can handle this comment without comparing to the US but it is pretty freaking scary that you can just sit in jail in Sweden for weeks on end without being charged with a crime.  That is insane. 

I'm starting to feel this is a semantics error... and about what people charge (pun intended) a "word" with.

He is on probably cause häktad (häktad - not the same as merely arrested) by a court on the crime of Assault after evidence has been laid forth and because there is a risk he will flee the country.

What do you think should happen with people who are by a court decision on probable cause a suspect of a crime and there is a risk that they will destroy evidence and harm the investigation?

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

lastexitlondon said:

I have a nice story 
Me and my tour buddy went to albany ny
To see pearl jam. We hired a car at jfk and drove. Got lost in the bronx when leaving queens . Got scared and just drove.
Any way i digress.
We parked up in albany on a parking meter and went for food. 
On our return a note was on our car.
"Hi my english friends, i paid the correct amout for your parking as you hadn't  paid enough, hope you enjoy your stay"
A kind soul had noticed we were  english and clueless.
Stuck with me. Good folk

 

BTW - In the US is it a big thing to pay for the coffee/coffee for the person behind you in the line/Cue? Read somewhere that is was a thing...

Renfield

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

 

BTW - In the US is it a big thing to pay for the coffee/coffee for the person behind you in the line/Cue? Read somewhere that is was a thing...

I’m not familiar with that, but, I heard about Suspended Coffees a few years ago.  I’ve asked around Manhattan many times, have yet to find a place that does it.

A suspended coffee is the advance purchase of a cup of coffee for someone who needs it, no matter why.

https://suspendedcoffees.com/

Suspended coffee, or caffe sospeso, is a tradition that comes from Naples, Italy, and dates to at least the turn of the 20th century. When customers buy coffee, they also pay in advance for a cup to be given to somebody else -- usually someone who otherwise couldn't afford it. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

Can't wait for The View's take on ASAP.

I'm guessing the "we have experienced racism here with the police and justice system so we must take for granted it is the same in other parts of the - more developed - world" will be strong with Whoppie, Meghan will say something about the Navy Seals rescuing ASAP from whatever commie-country he is stuck in and Joy will say something snarky but funny.

Renfield

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Can't wait for The View's take on ASAP.

I'm guessing the "we have experienced racism here with the police and justice system so we must take for granted it is the same in other parts of the - more developed - world" will be strong with Whoppie, Meghan will say something about the Navy Seals rescuing ASAP from whatever commie-country he is stuck in and Joy will say something snarky but funny.

You’re killing me here...

Can’t we suspend the talk about ASAP Rocky for a ‘minute’- I believe we’ve reached overkill status. 

cincybearcat

U.S.A.

F Me In The Brain said:

This is a dumb thread.
Please close.
I would flag, but I'm not such a wuss that flagging would be an option.

It’s not a thread that needs closed.