You can’t go to Germany and be German, you can’t go to Spain and be a Spaniard but but you can come to America and be an American ! I know Obama said it I’m not sure who came up with but it’s spot on ...
And despite this, some on this thread choose to shit all over America. Go figure.
Well ya know, it s America. Since we don’t lead in every single category listed we are the worst.
"Don't lead in every single category". This makes it sound like you do lead or are up in the top in most categories... don't be sneaky.
No one has said you are the worst. But you are pretty far from the best. With all these unique fundamental shit-things that most other countries would never fathom having be a part of society.
So it's not about "not leading in everyyyyyyy category". It's about being surprisingly crazy bad at things.
But a person who believes that working people shouldn't have any legal right to vacation and that McDonalds in no way should pay living wages to their employees might have problems being able to grasp that.
Two things by the way that helps you be pretty far from the best.
The problem with the 'living wages' argument is the bubble-up (and even trickle-down) effect it has on the rest of similarly-paid jobs. If a massive employer of workers at a certain pay rate gives those individuals raises:
1) Workers not at McDonalds but being paid similarly (slightly less, the same, or slightly more) will expect to be paid more than working at McDonalds (otherwise they'd go flip burgers), which puts strain on small/medium businesses to pay competitively, which means they can hire fewer, which means skilled workers end up doing more work per worker so that their peers can go work for McDonalds for more money (an extreme but statistically probable scenario). This is just basic economics. 2) I believe in legal right to vacation for everyone because it's not healthy for anyone to work every week of their year.
SC, I suspect we want the same things, but I think you need to consider the impact on the system more carefully. Because a lifestyle can work in Sweden doesn't yet prove it can work in the States - there are different risks which would require mitigation and cautious planning.
1. So. Start taking steps towards it and support it instead of going with a "NO WAY!" opinion? Nothing changes over night. But if other countries can pay shitty (I would know, I have family members working in the restaurant field) but livable wages and other fields are not starting an armed revolution over it - so can the US. Having a skewed economy while other countries can survive without having it, would be a reason to not have a skewed economy. Not to keep the skewed economy.
centralstation I saw that they has much better public trash bins than Sweden where you can sort your trash - you don't see me saying "NO WAY - we should not sort our trash!"
Should everyone take a vacation? Sure. Should the government require all businesses to provide a required paid vacation to all, no. I think it should be up to the individual business to decide how many weeks they could afford. Could a small business afford a five week paid vacation to everyone of their employees? Probably not.
And remember bud, once you move out of mommy and daddy's house you too can get a pool if you want to.
Why the personal attacks ?
You are kidding right? This guy takes shots at me left and right and I can’t respond? Now he ll play the victim card and will deny any wrong doing. I am entitled to a shot here and there.
Ok carry on , I didn’t realize this to be an on going feud
I've never said someone still lived with their mother and father on here to reduce someones opinion and with the obvious denigrating connotations in that childish saying.
This is rich. Obvious denigrating connotations are your specialty. You take shots at those of us who eat meat, who don't believe that socialism is the only way, etc., etc., etc. Hell, even just for being American because you clearly have an issue with the U.S.A. That's okay, bro. I'm sure most of us have thick skin and really don't care a whole lot (I certainly don't). But don't run and hide from your daily flurry of denigrating comments. Own them.
Thread integrity...I like America and am proud to be an American. Many other great countries on this fine planet as well.
Well, meat eaters support the slaughter of living creatures for (in the western world) completely un-needed reasons. So I think they deserve a shot or two. Never unfounded to my recollection though. How could it be?
When would I have been taking shots at people "who don't believe socialism is the only way"? I'm not a socialist. So that would be foreign to me. Maybe you have a bit of preconceived notions against me (or Swedes - who knows) seeping in here?
Thread integrity - I like Americans. If other countries are looked on as "great" (for the environment, for animals, for it's citizens well being) - America in far too many ways are "lagging behind in their journey to great" for a western democracy. And for a country who looks at itself as "great".
"One vegetarian ate two before realizing he wasn’t eating the popular fake meat"
Ooops!!! “You can’t tell the difference”, lol. Maybe they should start putting more broccoli in it so that people can tell the difference. I’m not so sure I would like the idea of “things that taste like meat”. If I eat a vegi-burger, I would actually rather it taste like vegetables...but maybe that’s just me. Would anyone ever eat a beef burger seasoning to taste like a vegetable? I think not...
no. you DRESS a burger with veggies.......
Or maybe.....you dress the veggies with a burger...? Do people put lettuce and tomatoes on a vegi burger? That just seems redundant.
Remember a minute ago when you called someone else on here "dense"?
Remember when you called someone a murderer? Yes, I stand by the “dense” comment.
maybe.....you dress the veggies with a burger...? Do people put lettuce and tomatoes on a vegi burger? That just seems redundant.
Remember a minute ago when you called someone else on here "dense"?
That’s not why I posted the pics!!!
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Or maybe.....you dress the veggies with a burger...? Do people put lettuce and tomatoes on a vegi burger? That just seems redundant.
Bareburger’s Impossible burger- they have all kinds of toppings.
No bacon!?!?
Just for you, the Big Bopper has organic tempeh bacon! WTF is that?
No clue??? The furthest I’ve reached in that realm is Turkey bacon...Speaking of pork, though, this past weekend was my first attempt at smoking a whole ham and it turned out delicious!!! @mcgruff What do you think??
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
Right on, bison burgers are probably my favorite, but I don’t get those often :(
Or maybe.....you dress the veggies with a burger...? Do people put lettuce and tomatoes on a vegi burger? That just seems redundant.
Bareburger’s Impossible burger- they have all kinds of toppings
No bacon!?!?
Just for you, the Big Bopper has organic tempeh bacon! WTF is that?
No clue??? The furthest I’ve reached in that realm is Turkey bacon...Speaking of pork, though, this past weekend was my first attempt at smoking a whole ham and it turned out delicious!!! @mcgruff What do you think??
I’ve eaten Turkey bacon, but it’s soooooo not even close to the real thing. Oh! That looks delicious! Save me a slice
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Or maybe.....you dress the veggies with a burger...? Do people put lettuce and tomatoes on a vegi burger? That just seems redundant.
Bareburger’s Impossible burger- they have all kinds of toppings.
No bacon!?!?
Just for you, the Big Bopper has organic tempeh bacon! WTF is that?
No clue??? The furthest I’ve reached in that realm is Turkey bacon...Speaking of pork, though, this past weekend was my first attempt at smoking a whole ham and it turned out delicious!!! @mcgruff What do you think??
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
No meat is healthier than meat. That’s why I like no meat.
Not 100% true, but I am not here to change your mind.
If one stops eating a relatively healthy diet that includes meat and goes on the all-Hostess diet, then you would be correct, but I was referring to a more reasonable option.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
I have not had the impossible burger but have had the beyond burger and it’s really tasty. I’m happy to eat that, with good sharp cheese on top and the other fixings that I like, and know it’s better for me than the meat version.
No meat is healthier than meat. That’s why I like no meat.
Not 100% true, but I am not here to change your mind.
If one stops eating a relatively healthy diet that includes meat and goes on the all-Hostess diet, then you would be correct, but I was referring to a more reasonable option.
I'd love a whole thread on Hostess products. The vanilla pies were my favorite.
Believe it or not, I have tried an “Impossible Burger” and it wasn’t terrible, but I would choose a blue cheese venison burger over one of those any day of the week. On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
Only had an Impossible Burger once, I thought it was great.
I do not care for red meat/beef, nor any gamey meat. But I would take a taste of a Moose burger just to know what it tastes like-doubtful I would fall in love.
Right on, bison burgers are probably my favorite, but I don’t get those often :(
Bison is outstanding and a relatively lean meat. We have a place by me that has amazing bison burgers.
No meat is healthier than meat. That’s why I like no meat.
Not 100% true, but I am not here to change your mind.
If one stops eating a relatively healthy diet that includes meat and goes on the all-Hostess diet, then you would be correct, but I was referring to a more reasonable option.
I'd love a whole thread on Hostess products. The vanilla pies were my favorite.
No meat is healthier than meat. That’s why I like no meat.
Not 100% true, but I am not here to change your mind.
If one stops eating a relatively healthy diet that includes meat and goes on the all-Hostess diet, then you would be correct, but I was referring to a more reasonable option.
I'd love a whole thread on Hostess products. The vanilla pies were my favorite.
“Can’t get stale because they were never fresh”
(apologies to Seinfeld)
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
No meat is healthier than meat. That’s why I like no meat.
Not 100% true, but I am not here to change your mind.
If one stops eating a relatively healthy diet that includes meat and goes on the all-Hostess diet, then you would be correct, but I was referring to a more reasonable option.
I'd love a whole thread on Hostess products. The vanilla pies were my favorite.
No meat is healthier than meat. That’s why I like no meat.
Not 100% true, but I am not here to change your mind.
If one stops eating a relatively healthy diet that includes meat and goes on the all-Hostess diet, then you would be correct, but I was referring to a more reasonable option.
I'd love a whole thread on Hostess products. The vanilla pies were my favorite.
You can’t go to Germany and be German, you can’t go to Spain and be a Spaniard but but you can come to America and be an American ! I know Obama said it I’m not sure who came up with but it’s spot on ...
And despite this, some on this thread choose to shit all over America. Go figure.
Well ya know, it s America. Since we don’t lead in every single category listed we are the worst.
"Don't lead in every single category". This makes it sound like you do lead or are up in the top in most categories... don't be sneaky.
No one has said you are the worst. But you are pretty far from the best. With all these unique fundamental shit-things that most other countries would never fathom having be a part of society.
So it's not about "not leading in everyyyyyyy category". It's about being surprisingly crazy bad at things.
But a person who believes that working people shouldn't have any legal right to vacation and that McDonalds in no way should pay living wages to their employees might have problems being able to grasp that.
Two things by the way that helps you be pretty far from the best.
The problem with the 'living wages' argument is the bubble-up (and even trickle-down) effect it has on the rest of similarly-paid jobs. If a massive employer of workers at a certain pay rate gives those individuals raises:
1) Workers not at McDonalds but being paid similarly (slightly less, the same, or slightly more) will expect to be paid more than working at McDonalds (otherwise they'd go flip burgers), which puts strain on small/medium businesses to pay competitively, which means they can hire fewer, which means skilled workers end up doing more work per worker so that their peers can go work for McDonalds for more money (an extreme but statistically probable scenario). This is just basic economics. 2) I believe in legal right to vacation for everyone because it's not healthy for anyone to work every week of their year.
SC, I suspect we want the same things, but I think you need to consider the impact on the system more carefully. Because a lifestyle can work in Sweden doesn't yet prove it can work in the States - there are different risks which would require mitigation and cautious planning.
1. So. Start taking steps towards it and support it instead of going with a "NO WAY!" opinion? Nothing changes over night. But if other countries can pay shitty (I would know, I have family members working in the restaurant field) but livable wages and other fields are not starting an armed revolution over it - so can the US. Having a skewed economy while other countries can survive without having it, would be a reason to not have a skewed economy. Not to keep the skewed economy.
"We can't free and pay our slaves, because then the fisherman will want to be paid more" is not a reason to not pay the slaves.
And believe in me more, I do know there is not a "turn a switch" solution.. But there is a difference between "we need to take steps because we do things absurdly over here" and "NO WAY".
2. Well, that is the reason why countries driven by sound ideals and unions and workers fought for the right to vacation. And why modern countries that value its citizens have it.
From wiki - who's the odd one out?
In the majority of nations, including all industrialised nations except the United States, advances in employee relations have seen the introduction of statutory agreements for minimum employee leave from work—that is the amount of entitlement to paid vacation and public holidays.
Now who's often the odd one out when it comes to other things that are there to help the citizens - like maternity/paternal leave, health care etc?
And you have people on here thinking that workers should not have a legal right to vacation. There is NO WAY McDonald employees should be paid living wages. Health care should not be a human right. Ofc the US won't catch up to pretty much all other modern countries when people are being conditioned into having - as objectively as it is possible to be - such shitty opinions. "But look at me by my pool"
In the Berlin centralstation I saw that they has much better public trash bins than Sweden where you can sort your trash - you don't see me saying "NO WAY - we should not sort our trash!"
Should everyone take a vacation? Sure. Should the government require all businesses to provide a required paid vacation to all, no. I think it should be up to the individual business to decide how many weeks they could afford. Could a small business afford a five week paid vacation to everyone of their employees? Probably not.
And remember bud, once you move out of mommy and daddy's house you too can get a pool if you want to.
Why the personal attacks ?
You are kidding right? This guy takes shots at me left and right and I can’t respond? Now he ll play the victim card and will deny any wrong doing. I am entitled to a shot here and there.
Ok carry on , I didn’t realize this to be an on going feud
Months and months
Feels like an eternity.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
No meat is healthier than meat. That’s why I like no meat.
Not 100% true, but I am not here to change your mind.
If one stops eating a relatively healthy diet that includes meat and goes on the all-Hostess diet, then you would be correct, but I was referring to a more reasonable option.
I'd love a whole thread on Hostess products. The vanilla pies were my favorite.
Vanilla pie? Tell me more!
So it’s basically an Eclair! That’s fresh from the bakery though love those! Or anything with pudding basically
No meat is healthier than meat. That’s why I like no meat.
Not 100% true, but I am not here to change your mind.
If one stops eating a relatively healthy diet that includes meat and goes on the all-Hostess diet, then you would be correct, but I was referring to a more reasonable option.
I'd love a whole thread on Hostess products. The vanilla pies were my favorite.
Vanilla pie? Tell me more!
So it’s basically an Eclair! That’s fresh from the bakery though love those! Or anything with pudding basically
Yep... eclair from 7-11... that survives a nuclear war.
You can’t go to Germany and be German, you can’t go to Spain and be a Spaniard but but you can come to America and be an American ! I know Obama said it I’m not sure who came up with but it’s spot on ...
And despite this, some on this thread choose to shit all over America. Go figure.
Well ya know, it s America. Since we don’t lead in every single category listed we are the worst.
"Don't lead in every single category". This makes it sound like you do lead or are up in the top in most categories... don't be sneaky.
No one has said you are the worst. But you are pretty far from the best. With all these unique fundamental shit-things that most other countries would never fathom having be a part of society.
So it's not about "not leading in everyyyyyyy category". It's about being surprisingly crazy bad at things.
But a person who believes that working people shouldn't have any legal right to vacation and that McDonalds in no way should pay living wages to their employees might have problems being able to grasp that.
Two things by the way that helps you be pretty far from the best.
The problem with the 'living wages' argument is the bubble-up (and even trickle-down) effect it has on the rest of similarly-paid jobs. If a massive employer of workers at a certain pay rate gives those individuals raises:
1) Workers not at McDonalds but being paid similarly (slightly less, the same, or slightly more) will expect to be paid more than working at McDonalds (otherwise they'd go flip burgers), which puts strain on small/medium businesses to pay competitively, which means they can hire fewer, which means skilled workers end up doing more work per worker so that their peers can go work for McDonalds for more money (an extreme but statistically probable scenario). This is just basic economics. 2) I believe in legal right to vacation for everyone because it's not healthy for anyone to work every week of their year.
SC, I suspect we want the same things, but I think you need to consider the impact on the system more carefully. Because a lifestyle can work in Sweden doesn't yet prove it can work in the States - there are different risks which would require mitigation and cautious planning.
1. So. Start taking steps towards it and support it instead of going with a "NO WAY!" opinion? Nothing changes over night. But if other countries can pay shitty (I would know, I have family members working in the restaurant field) but livable wages and other fields are not starting an armed revolution over it - so can the US. Having a skewed economy while other countries can survive without having it, would be a reason to not have a skewed economy. Not to keep the skewed economy.
"We can't free and pay our slaves, because then the fisherman will want to be paid more" is not a reason to not pay the slaves.
And believe in me more, I do know there is not a "turn a switch" solution.. But there is a difference between "we need to take steps because we do things absurdly over here" and "NO WAY".
2. Well, that is the reason why countries driven by sound ideals and unions and workers fought for the right to vacation. And why modern countries that value its citizens have it.
From wiki - who's the odd one out?
In the majority of nations, including all industrialised nations except the United States, advances in employee relations have seen the introduction of statutory agreements for minimum employee leave from work—that is the amount of entitlement to paid vacation and public holidays.
Now who's often the odd one out when it comes to other things that are there to help the citizens - like maternity/paternal leave, health care etc?
And you have people on here thinking that workers should not have a legal right to vacation. There is NO WAY McDonald employees should be paid living wages. Health care should not be a human right. Ofc the US won't catch up to pretty much all other modern countries when people are being conditioned into having - as objectively as it is possible to be - such shitty opinions. "But look at me by my pool"
In the Berlin centralstation I saw that they has much better public trash bins than Sweden where you can sort your trash - you don't see me saying "NO WAY - we should not sort our trash!"
Should everyone take a vacation? Sure. Should the government require all businesses to provide a required paid vacation to all, no. I think it should be up to the individual business to decide how many weeks they could afford. Could a small business afford a five week paid vacation to everyone of their employees? Probably not.
Why can companies in other countries afford it? Every industrial country on planet earth as a matter of fact make it work? What makes the US so uniquely inept so that they could not make it work?
So @mcgruff10 - are you able to answer the questions above?
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On another thought, if I ever go to Sweden, I will be eating as many moose burgers as humanly possible. I’ve heard Swedish moose are way better tasting than American moose, lol
https://www.wideopeneats.com/27-reasons-venison-is-better-than-beef/
(apologies to Seinfeld)
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