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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,387
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Can you repeat the question?  I don't think I read it.  
    1. You have a hard time understanding text (could be, with you claiming ignorance on my use use of "paywalling")

    or

    2. You are arguing in bad faith and skewing data in your favor. Which is just shitty on the level of your dear president.

    What is it? 
    /shush please.  Your bold typing is giving me a headache.  Please do some work on improving your homeland.  The rest of us are busy with ours. 
    Why are you unable to answer? It's a simple question, based on you skewing facts to support your arguments. 

    I'm not the one arguing in bad faith - you are. And you seem to have a problem coming clean about this shitty tactic of yours? Going off on sarcastic remarks instead.

    Another very Trump:ian trait.  Could it be, like they say on the cable news shows - he isn't the problem in the US, he is merely a symptom?
    If that's all you have to hang your hat on with the discussion, I think you know what that means.  
    One party of the discussion choosing to use false information for their argumentation and to skew reality is obviously something to hang ones hat on. The fundamentals of a discussion is that you are not doing it in bad faith or presenting falsehoods. There is no discussion to be had, if you can't trust the other party to stick to the truth.

    You trying to skip past this very fundamental thing and go on and attacking Sweden instead of acknowledging you being caught - says everything about your intent. 

    You have shown to act untrustworthy, dishonest and to be a liar.
    You restricted the options for mrussel to two, while there are more - including the fact that you used a term that you’ve been proven incorrect by a dictionary and still continue to argue like a self-righteous know-it-all. Anyone who has any sense of reason or has been here for more than an hour sees what’s going on and knows mrussel to be nothing like what you’re accusing him of, and it speaks volumes of your character to accuse him of such. The reason for mrussel’s unwillingness to play ball, like my own, is because you refuse to debate logically and switch arguments as one by one they are disputed. As far as attacking Sweden goes - it’s highly ironic of you to ask people to have some introspection on here while making claims like that. Mrussel is very clearly trying to indicate how absurd your debate style is, and I don’t buy for a second that you can’t see that. The only reason I’m even bothering to respond is because you don’t have the right to denigrate a good person’s name and credibility on here and that must be called out. 

    One more thing: don’t fucking dare quote anything but this entire statement if you do quote me to respond (unlike the way you did last time with an out-of-context fragment of what I posted); I want people to see the context to make their own minds up and if you’re genuine in wanting fair debate, so should you. 
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,716
    edited June 2019
    It's true, mrussel wouldn't be going around purposefully presenting anything in bad faith. I don't even know what this supposed false info is supposed to be, since one can only take so much of this little ongoing argument so I'm just skimming at this point, but I can't imagine it was presented in anything other than good faith, if it was false at all, given the source.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,032
    edited June 2019
    I’m jumping in to say IMO, mrussel1 has earned respect on this board. Calling him a liar is absurd and quite frankly pisses me off. 
    Post edited by RunIntoTheRain on
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Thank you everyone. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,131
    mrussel1 said:
    Thank you everyone. 
    You know how much I respect you and appreciate your insight and opinions. Keep up the good work. (I still don’t get how you lied). Lol
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    Im sorry everyone. It must be a language barrier thing. English is not my first language. 

    In Sweden (Where I come from) a ”lie” is when you ”willfully push something untrue”. 

    From your reactions I take it, ”lying” means something completely different across the pond. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    Lucky we got that sorted out!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    edited June 2019
    benjs said:
    One more thing: don’t fucking dare quote anything but this entire statement if you do quote me to respond (unlike the way you did last time with an out-of-context fragment of what I posted); 
    I don't want you to bow out of any discussions (please join our "what band t-shirt are you wearing today" thread in Other Music - it's the hottest thread on the board)  - But, you don't seem to understand how quoting works or what the purpose of quoting is.

    You see, a quote is in  essence an excerpt. And you quote the part of a text which you wish to respond to. Like I did now.

    Otherwise it would become awfully cluttered and the readability would be worse. E.g. lets say you are writing a thesis. If you need to quote a book, you quote the excerpt that is interesting for the specific context. You do not quote the entire book. Because then, it would be harder to read and for every quote you would add 300+ pages to your thesis. You would have complete books inside of your the text. Like playing Donkey Kong on the arcade cabinet inside of Donkey Kong 64.

    And the last time I did correctly quote a part (you call it fragment) of your text to respond to that specific part (fragment). There was nothing "out-of-context" about it at all. It was a plain, normal, lagom use of quoting.

    And also, I "fucking dared" to quote just the part of your text that was relevant to my answer. As explained above, that is how quoting works. But it sounds awfully close to a threat of some kind against me?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    edited June 2019
    Had missed Queen Elisabeth had gone on the Breakfast Club. Good stuff:

    https://youtu.be/BxVoXVwriOM
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,853
    I’m beginning to hate sweden. That’s not fair, it’s probably a nice place that just happens to have assholes just like the US, Mexico, Canada, Ireland, England, Italy, Spain; Germany, etc
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    cincybearcat said:
    I’m beginning to hate sweden. That’s not fair, it’s probably a nice place that just happens to have assholes just like the US, Mexico, Canada, Ireland, England, Italy, Spain; Germany, etc
    Ha!  I know the feeling. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    "Boys!  BOYS!!!"
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    brianlux said:
    "Boys!  BOYS!!!"
    GIRLS,  GIRLS! 


  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,602
    edited June 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    One more thing: don’t fucking dare quote anything but this entire statement if you do quote me to respond (unlike the way you did last time with an out-of-context fragment of what I posted); 
    I don't want you to bow out of any discussions (please join our "what band t-shirt are you wearing today" thread in Other Music - it's the hottest thread on the board)  - But, you don't seem to understand how quoting works or what the purpose of quoting is.

    You see, a quote is in  essence an excerpt. And you quote the part of a text which you wish to respond to. Like I did now.

    Otherwise it would become awfully cluttered and the readability would be worse. E.g. lets say you are writing a thesis. If you need to quote a book, you quote the excerpt that is interesting for the specific context. You do not quote the entire book. Because then, it would be harder to read and for every quote you would add 300+ pages to your thesis. You would have complete books inside of your the text. Like playing Donkey Kong on the arcade cabinet inside of Donkey Kong 64.

    And the last time I did correctly quote a part (you call it fragment) of your text to respond to that specific part (fragment). There was nothing "out-of-context" about it at all. It was a plain, normal, lagom use of quoting.

    And also, I "fucking dared" to quote just the part of your text that was relevant to my answer. As explained above, that is how quoting works. But it sounds awfully close to a threat of some kind against me?
    you see some are complete utter assholes.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I see something of value in everyone here so I just want to say, in the kindest and gentlest way possible...

    BOYS!!!  STOP YOUR FIGHTING... NOOOOOOOOOOOOW!

    :lol:  
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    I'm just gonna say this mrussel1 is one of the best posters on here.  Not sure why anyone would question is honesty just because he is quite satisfied with the US Post Secondary System...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,387
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    One more thing: don’t fucking dare quote anything but this entire statement if you do quote me to respond (unlike the way you did last time with an out-of-context fragment of what I posted); 
    I don't want you to bow out of any discussions (please join our "what band t-shirt are you wearing today" thread in Other Music - it's the hottest thread on the board)  - But, you don't seem to understand how quoting works or what the purpose of quoting is.

    You see, a quote is in  essence an excerpt. And you quote the part of a text which you wish to respond to. Like I did now.

    Otherwise it would become awfully cluttered and the readability would be worse. E.g. lets say you are writing a thesis. If you need to quote a book, you quote the excerpt that is interesting for the specific context. You do not quote the entire book. Because then, it would be harder to read and for every quote you would add 300+ pages to your thesis. You would have complete books inside of your the text. Like playing Donkey Kong on the arcade cabinet inside of Donkey Kong 64.

    And the last time I did correctly quote a part (you call it fragment) of your text to respond to that specific part (fragment). There was nothing "out-of-context" about it at all. It was a plain, normal, lagom use of quoting.

    And also, I "fucking dared" to quote just the part of your text that was relevant to my answer. As explained above, that is how quoting works. But it sounds awfully close to a threat of some kind against me?
    I explained why I’d prefer you quote me in context, and you ignored that request. This confirms that a meaningful conversation here isn’t your pursuit, so we’re done.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    edited June 2019
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    One more thing: don’t fucking dare quote anything but this entire statement if you do quote me to respond (unlike the way you did last time with an out-of-context fragment of what I posted); 
    I don't want you to bow out of any discussions (please join our "what band t-shirt are you wearing today" thread in Other Music - it's the hottest thread on the board)  - But, you don't seem to understand how quoting works or what the purpose of quoting is.

    You see, a quote is in  essence an excerpt. And you quote the part of a text which you wish to respond to. Like I did now.

    Otherwise it would become awfully cluttered and the readability would be worse. E.g. lets say you are writing a thesis. If you need to quote a book, you quote the excerpt that is interesting for the specific context. You do not quote the entire book. Because then, it would be harder to read and for every quote you would add 300+ pages to your thesis. You would have complete books inside of your the text. Like playing Donkey Kong on the arcade cabinet inside of Donkey Kong 64.

    And the last time I did correctly quote a part (you call it fragment) of your text to respond to that specific part (fragment). There was nothing "out-of-context" about it at all. It was a plain, normal, lagom use of quoting.

    And also, I "fucking dared" to quote just the part of your text that was relevant to my answer. As explained above, that is how quoting works. But it sounds awfully close to a threat of some kind against me?
    I explained why I’d prefer you quote me in context, and you ignored that request. This confirms that a meaningful conversation here isn’t your pursuit, so we’re done.
    You didn’t request - you threatend. 

    And, you do not suddenly have the right to make up new rules on how quoting works on a message board or dictate that users should use it in a certain way just to please you.

    And it is okey if ”you are done”. I believe this is the gentlemans second time being so. 

    Please don’t go around threatening members on the board though. I can take it and appreciate your passion. Others might not. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,387
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    One more thing: don’t fucking dare quote anything but this entire statement if you do quote me to respond (unlike the way you did last time with an out-of-context fragment of what I posted); 
    I don't want you to bow out of any discussions (please join our "what band t-shirt are you wearing today" thread in Other Music - it's the hottest thread on the board)  - But, you don't seem to understand how quoting works or what the purpose of quoting is.

    You see, a quote is in  essence an excerpt. And you quote the part of a text which you wish to respond to. Like I did now.

    Otherwise it would become awfully cluttered and the readability would be worse. E.g. lets say you are writing a thesis. If you need to quote a book, you quote the excerpt that is interesting for the specific context. You do not quote the entire book. Because then, it would be harder to read and for every quote you would add 300+ pages to your thesis. You would have complete books inside of your the text. Like playing Donkey Kong on the arcade cabinet inside of Donkey Kong 64.

    And the last time I did correctly quote a part (you call it fragment) of your text to respond to that specific part (fragment). There was nothing "out-of-context" about it at all. It was a plain, normal, lagom use of quoting.

    And also, I "fucking dared" to quote just the part of your text that was relevant to my answer. As explained above, that is how quoting works. But it sounds awfully close to a threat of some kind against me?
    I explained why I’d prefer you quote me in context, and you ignored that request. This confirms that a meaningful conversation here isn’t your pursuit, so we’re done.
    You didn’t request - you threatend. 

    And, you do not suddenly have the right to make up new rules on how quoting works on a message board or dictate that users should use it in a certain way just to please you.

    And it is okey if ”you are done”. I believe this is the gentlemans second time being so. 

    Please don’t go around threatening members on the board though. I can take it and appreciate your passion. Others might not. 
    I can accept that, and I apologize for my tone there and didn’t mean for it to be deemed a threat. I’ll try again just so my message isn’t misconstrued. I find it the sleaziest debate tactic to take someone’s words, strip them of their context, and misrepresent a person that way. You have done this to me on several occasions, and I don’t appreciate it in the slightest (hence the aggression).

    My words are mine and when I publish them, rules or not, I would expect the decency/courtesy/authenticity of treating them fairly. You have not done that.

    I will not make the mistake of expecting decency, courtesy, or authenticity from you again, as I’m quite certain I won’t find those traits in your responses.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,505
    edited June 2019
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    benjs said:
    One more thing: don’t fucking dare quote anything but this entire statement if you do quote me to respond (unlike the way you did last time with an out-of-context fragment of what I posted); 
    I don't want you to bow out of any discussions (please join our "what band t-shirt are you wearing today" thread in Other Music - it's the hottest thread on the board)  - But, you don't seem to understand how quoting works or what the purpose of quoting is.

    You see, a quote is in  essence an excerpt. And you quote the part of a text which you wish to respond to. Like I did now.

    Otherwise it would become awfully cluttered and the readability would be worse. E.g. lets say you are writing a thesis. If you need to quote a book, you quote the excerpt that is interesting for the specific context. You do not quote the entire book. Because then, it would be harder to read and for every quote you would add 300+ pages to your thesis. You would have complete books inside of your the text. Like playing Donkey Kong on the arcade cabinet inside of Donkey Kong 64.

    And the last time I did correctly quote a part (you call it fragment) of your text to respond to that specific part (fragment). There was nothing "out-of-context" about it at all. It was a plain, normal, lagom use of quoting.

    And also, I "fucking dared" to quote just the part of your text that was relevant to my answer. As explained above, that is how quoting works. But it sounds awfully close to a threat of some kind against me?
    I explained why I’d prefer you quote me in context, and you ignored that request. This confirms that a meaningful conversation here isn’t your pursuit, so we’re done.
    You didn’t request - you threatend. 

    And, you do not suddenly have the right to make up new rules on how quoting works on a message board or dictate that users should use it in a certain way just to please you.

    And it is okey if ”you are done”. I believe this is the gentlemans second time being so. 

    Please don’t go around threatening members on the board though. I can take it and appreciate your passion. Others might not. 
    I can accept that, and I apologize for my tone there and didn’t mean for it to be deemed a threat. I’ll try again just so my message isn’t misconstrued. I find it the sleaziest debate tactic to take someone’s words, strip them of their context, and misrepresent a person that way. You have done this to me on several occasions, and I don’t appreciate it in the slightest (hence the aggression).
    Example 1: 
    You called me a troll. I wanted to respond to that accusation - so I quoted that specific part (fragment as you put it) and responded to that.

    Example 2:
    You try to create a whole separate set of rules and dictate how quoting should work. I quoted that specific part because I think trying to force those kind of personal rules is completely verklighetsfrånvänt (you don't seem to have an english word for this, but it means "facing away from reality"). 

    I have not misrepresented you. I have quoted you because of needing that specific quote for my response. Re-read my thesis example if you do not understand why one do not quote walls of texts when what is needed is one or two sentences.

    This is the third (3) time you are bowing out. If this was a rom-com, I would expect your character, played by an ever handsome Hugh Grant of course, to want nothing else than for me to run to you in the rain.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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