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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    edited June 29
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    And Sweden of the Saami. 

    Fuck western civilasations. In some regards. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,709
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    like race. its a whole lot of fucking over to cop to. once you do THEN  you gotta do SOMETHING to make amends for it.... and of course there is listening closely to the experience of those affected which can be hard to do...


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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,524
    11 more debates, holy shit. That’s has to be a record, I read 6 in 2016 primary.
  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,527
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    here is another simple point:


    Im still puzzled, What the fuck was your point with these pictures and my post highlighted??

    That’s the Sweden’s navy???
    I want to know what Mr. Chaos was trying to imply with these Soviet Censorship photos??
    He said he was making a simple point.
    I'll just keep asking Mr.Chaos.
    So.after sevaral days of asking, and asking,,,,,No answer.
    Mr. Chaos must have been  f***** up, angry after the dems poor performance.  So I'll just let it go but it was is a simple example of what people like him are made out of.  Absolutely nothing..

  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,524
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    here is another simple point:


    Im still puzzled, What the fuck was your point with these pictures and my post highlighted??

    That’s the Sweden’s navy???
    I want to know what Mr. Chaos was trying to imply with these Soviet Censorship photos??
    He said he was making a simple point.
    I'll just keep asking Mr.Chaos.
    So.after sevaral days of asking, and asking,,,,,No answer.
    Mr. Chaos must have been  f***** up, angry after the dems poor performance.  So I'll just let it go but it was is a simple example of what people like him are made out of.  Absolutely nothing..

    Sounds like you need to hug your Trumpy Bear!
    It wasn’t even about you, and the image was about censorship and people ignoring others comments...I think.
  • SmellymanSmellyman AsiaPosts: 3,820
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    Australia too
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,265
    Smellyman said:
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    Australia too
    That is true, thanks for bringing that up.  I am sure there are other countries as well.
  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,527
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    here is another simple point:


    Im still puzzled, What the fuck was your point with these pictures and my post highlighted??

    That’s the Sweden’s navy???
    I want to know what Mr. Chaos was trying to imply with these Soviet Censorship photos??
    He said he was making a simple point.
    I'll just keep asking Mr.Chaos.
    After 2 days of asking, and No answer.
    Mr. Chaos must have been a little f***** up at the time of this posting of his.  I'll let it go but it was is a simple example of what people like him are made out of. Absolutely nothing.

  • njnancynjnancy Northern New JerseyPosts: 4,926
    I finally caught up and it's good to see that things are proceeding as normal in the thread. 

    Trumpy Bear - :rofl:  -  I couldn't believe the first time I saw a commercial for it. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,464
    Smellyman said:
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    Australia too
    That is true, thanks for bringing that up.  I am sure there are other countries as well.
    Off the top of my head, Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia, El Salvador, Brazil, Chile, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, US, Canada, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Israel, Kenya, Yemen, China and I’m sure there are others that I’ve missed. Western Europeans don’t own the monopoly on mistreatment of indigenous populations.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,265
    Smellyman said:
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    Australia too
    That is true, thanks for bringing that up.  I am sure there are other countries as well.
    Off the top of my head, Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia, El Salvador, Brazil, Chile, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, US, Canada, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Israel, Kenya, Yemen, China and I’m sure there are others that I’ve missed. Western Europeans don’t own the monopoly on mistreatment of indigenous populations.
    Thanks for posting.  I wonder how they were treated in those other countries?  Probably just as bad.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,464
    Smellyman said:
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    Australia too
    That is true, thanks for bringing that up.  I am sure there are other countries as well.
    Off the top of my head, Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia, El Salvador, Brazil, Chile, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, US, Canada, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Israel, Kenya, Yemen, China and I’m sure there are others that I’ve missed. Western Europeans don’t own the monopoly on mistreatment of indigenous populations.
    Thanks for posting.  I wonder how they were treated in those other countries?  Probably just as bad.
    Same as everywhere else, marginalized, propagated, demonized, abused, raped, pillaged, plundered, murdered, subsumed. For the “greater” good.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 7,265
    Smellyman said:
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    Australia too
    That is true, thanks for bringing that up.  I am sure there are other countries as well.
    Off the top of my head, Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia, El Salvador, Brazil, Chile, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, US, Canada, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Israel, Kenya, Yemen, China and I’m sure there are others that I’ve missed. Western Europeans don’t own the monopoly on mistreatment of indigenous populations.
    Thanks for posting.  I wonder how they were treated in those other countries?  Probably just as bad.
    Same as everywhere else, marginalized, propagated, demonized, abused, raped, pillaged, plundered, murdered, subsumed. For the “greater” good.
    People love abusing people...we know better, we cannot help ourselves, unfortunately.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 28,524
    mrussel1 said:
    I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 
    Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

    I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  
    I used to think of myself as hard left/ progressive but these days more leaning left, close to moderate.  Except
    Smellyman said:
    If it comes across that I am critiquing the US treatment of Native Americans, I am not...more curious to why it is not ever a campaign issue?  Canada is just as guilty for its poor treatment, in some ways it was worse...the residential schools come to mind.
    Australia too
    That is true, thanks for bringing that up.  I am sure there are other countries as well.
    Off the top of my head, Mexico, Guatemala, Bolivia, El Salvador, Brazil, Chile, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar, Vietnam, Thailand, Australia, US, Canada, Russia, Turkey, Iraq, Israel, Kenya, Yemen, China and I’m sure there are others that I’ve missed. Western Europeans don’t own the monopoly on mistreatment of indigenous populations.
    I learned a lot from B Traven's "Government" (also called "Jungle") series novels about the mistreatment of native populations in Mexico, Central and South America.  All are excellent (although I'm not a fan of his most popular/ least well written Treasure of the Sierra Madre) though heartbreaking.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    edited June 30
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    here is another simple point:


    Im still puzzled, What the fuck was your point with these pictures and my post highlighted??

    That’s the Sweden’s navy???
    I want to know what Mr. Chaos was trying to imply with these Soviet Censorship photos??
    He said he was making a simple point.
    I'll just keep asking Mr.Chaos.
    After 2 days of asking, and No answer.
    Mr. Chaos must have been a little f***** up at the time of this posting of his.  I'll let it go but it was is a simple example of what people like him are made out of. Absolutely nothing.

    I’m a little fucked up?

    Can I ask - What are you then? Benj had already given you an answer. Start reading. 

    And please tell me - What exactly are ”people like me” refer to? People who can read and understand without throwing hissyfits?
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,527
    edited June 30
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    here is another simple point:


    Im still puzzled, What the fuck was your point with these pictures and my post highlighted??

    That’s the Sweden’s navy???
    I want to know what Mr. Chaos was trying to imply with these Soviet Censorship photos??
    He said he was making a simple point.
    I'll just keep asking Mr.Chaos.
    After 2 days of asking, and No answer.
    Mr. Chaos must have been a little f***** up at the time of this posting of his.  I'll let it go but it was is a simple example of what people like him are made out of. Absolutely nothing.

    I’m a little fucked up?

    Can I ask - What are you then? Benj had already given you an answer. Start reading. 

    And please tell me - What exactly are ”people like me” refer to? People who can read and understand without throwing hissyfits?
    I am a dummy because I still dont get what your 2 simple little points mean.
    Post edited by RYME on
  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,863
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    benjs said:
    Ignore makes this so much easier

    I took this screen grab to make a simple point.
    here is another simple point:


    Im still puzzled, What the fuck was your point with these pictures and my post highlighted??

    That’s the Sweden’s navy???
    I want to know what Mr. Chaos was trying to imply with these Soviet Censorship photos??
    He said he was making a simple point.
    I'll just keep asking Mr.Chaos.
    After 2 days of asking, and No answer.
    Mr. Chaos must have been a little f***** up at the time of this posting of his.  I'll let it go but it was is a simple example of what people like him are made out of. Absolutely nothing.

    I’m a little fucked up?

    Can I ask - What are you then? Benj had already given you an answer. Start reading. 

    And please tell me - What exactly are ”people like me” refer to? People who can read and understand without throwing hissyfits?
    I am a dummy because I still dont get what your 2 simple little points mean.
    I already told you my post had nothing to do with your posting, it was about SC’s, and SC was very obviously responding to that. His 2 simple little points were a response to me - not to you - and weren’t a slight against what you wrote.
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,740
    I'm going to be skeptical of what's out there for any candidate, not just Joe.

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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 17,198
    Kat said:
    I'm going to be skeptical of what's out there for any candidate, not just Joe.

    Popular Joe Biden Website Reportedly Started By Trump Operative





    This is unsurprising, yet still alarming.
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,524
    Disinformation, smears, and lies has always been a part of American politics. I’m personally more worried about the integrity of our voting machines.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,709
    cant trust internet anything now. or never could and we're seeing how we can't now.
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,740
    edited June 30
    Closed for review. Done, thread is now cleaned up.
    Some people are a heartbeat away from losing posting privileges. 
    THIS IS AN ALL-AGES FORUM. SEE THE POSTING GUIDELINES AND DON'T FORGET THIS AGAIN.
    All sex-toy discussion or mentions of it or quotes of it have been deleted. This thread will likely reopen at some point.
    I'm at a loss for further words.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 28,524
    Hoping to see some good, on-topic stuff here in the coming months.  This next election (far off though it may be) is bigger than BIG.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,996
    brianlux said:
    Hoping to see some good, on-topic stuff here in the coming months.  This next election (far off though it may be) is bigger than BIG.
    And we're back.. Try not to F* it up with your potty mouth, Brian.  
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 17,198
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    Hoping to see some good, on-topic stuff here in the coming months.  This next election (far off though it may be) is bigger than BIG.
    And we're back.. Try not to F* it up with your potty mouth, Brian.  
    :lol:  
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  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 14,374
    mrussel1 said:
    I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 
    Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

    I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  
    I don't think it's a Canadian or Australian or European thing. And using the members that post in here -- and I try to avoid this place at all costs, but I occasionally do find myself regretfully clicking through here (when the rest of the site seems to be slow) to see what everyone is not listening to each other at all about this time -- is a ridiculously thin reed.

    Anyway, I am an American, and I have not voted in a presidential election since 2000 (maybe 2004) simply because there has not been a candidate who was young enough and progressive enough for me to check the box next to his or her name. I still vote for issues and local candidates who meet my criteria, but I imagine I'll be leaving a blank box again in 2020.

    I don't think I'm the only American out there like this. I'm sure some hold their nose and check a box, but I would guess that more progressives show up, vote for legal weed, against existing discriminatory policies that affect the LGBTQ+ community, for their local progressive candidates, and throw up in their mouth a little when they see the presidential candidates who have to put their teeth in to eat breakfast, leaving that spot blank.

    There are a couple of candidates who would actually get me excited to go to the polls this time around, but I'm almost certain that they'll be put back in their place by the establishment jackasses, their media mouthpieces and their donors by the time November 2020 rolls around.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,996
    dankind said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 
    Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

    I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  
    I don't think it's a Canadian or Australian or European thing. And using the members that post in here -- and I try to avoid this place at all costs, but I occasionally do find myself regretfully clicking through here (when the rest of the site seems to be slow) to see what everyone is not listening to each other at all about this time -- is a ridiculously thin reed.

    Anyway, I am an American, and I have not voted in a presidential election since 2000 (maybe 2004) simply because there has not been a candidate who was young enough and progressive enough for me to check the box next to his or her name. I still vote for issues and local candidates who meet my criteria, but I imagine I'll be leaving a blank box again in 2020.

    I don't think I'm the only American out there like this. I'm sure some hold their nose and check a box, but I would guess that more progressives show up, vote for legal weed, against existing discriminatory policies that affect the LGBTQ+ community, for their local progressive candidates, and throw up in their mouth a little when they see the presidential candidates who have to put their teeth in to eat breakfast, leaving that spot blank.

    There are a couple of candidates who would actually get me excited to go to the polls this time around, but I'm almost certain that they'll be put back in their place by the establishment jackasses, their media mouthpieces and their donors by the time November 2020 rolls around.
    So you are saying that you would vote for:
    1. Free healthcare for undocumented immigrants
    2. Waiving 1.6 trillion in student loans
    3. Reparations
    4. Re-instituting federally mandated busing

    Legal weed and equal rights are pretty mainstream items.  I wouldn't even call them progressive.  
  • dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 14,374
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 
    Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

    I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  
    I don't think it's a Canadian or Australian or European thing. And using the members that post in here -- and I try to avoid this place at all costs, but I occasionally do find myself regretfully clicking through here (when the rest of the site seems to be slow) to see what everyone is not listening to each other at all about this time -- is a ridiculously thin reed.

    Anyway, I am an American, and I have not voted in a presidential election since 2000 (maybe 2004) simply because there has not been a candidate who was young enough and progressive enough for me to check the box next to his or her name. I still vote for issues and local candidates who meet my criteria, but I imagine I'll be leaving a blank box again in 2020.

    I don't think I'm the only American out there like this. I'm sure some hold their nose and check a box, but I would guess that more progressives show up, vote for legal weed, against existing discriminatory policies that affect the LGBTQ+ community, for their local progressive candidates, and throw up in their mouth a little when they see the presidential candidates who have to put their teeth in to eat breakfast, leaving that spot blank.

    There are a couple of candidates who would actually get me excited to go to the polls this time around, but I'm almost certain that they'll be put back in their place by the establishment jackasses, their media mouthpieces and their donors by the time November 2020 rolls around.
    So you are saying that you would vote for:
    1. Free healthcare for undocumented immigrants
    2. Waiving 1.6 trillion in student loans
    3. Reparations
    4. Re-instituting federally mandated busing

    Legal weed and equal rights are pretty mainstream items.  I wouldn't even call them progressive.  
    I'm not saying any of that. And I wouldn't do so in this forum. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,996
    dankind said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dankind said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I honestly cannot believe how dumb and tone deaf they still are. Finding a way to lose 
    Scarborough called it what it was... a clown show.  Here's the other thing that vexes me.  There's this 'thought' that even the NYT and MSNBC has bought into, that the party is radically left.  I don't believe it is.  I think the loudest voices are hard left and it's pulling both the candidates and the media that way, to the chagrin of me and I'm sure many US Democrats here on the board.  

    I mean, here we are, the actual voting Democrats on the board of a liberal band like PJ.com, and we all seem to be in shock.  The people here that seem to  gravitate to the policies of the very progressive wing are our friends from Canada, Australia and Europe.  I mean no disrespect to them, but the point is that every time I see an opinion from someone that I know is in the US, it's much closer to the moderate position than the hard progressive.  I'm very, very worried because these candidates are not representing mainstream views.  
    I don't think it's a Canadian or Australian or European thing. And using the members that post in here -- and I try to avoid this place at all costs, but I occasionally do find myself regretfully clicking through here (when the rest of the site seems to be slow) to see what everyone is not listening to each other at all about this time -- is a ridiculously thin reed.

    Anyway, I am an American, and I have not voted in a presidential election since 2000 (maybe 2004) simply because there has not been a candidate who was young enough and progressive enough for me to check the box next to his or her name. I still vote for issues and local candidates who meet my criteria, but I imagine I'll be leaving a blank box again in 2020.

    I don't think I'm the only American out there like this. I'm sure some hold their nose and check a box, but I would guess that more progressives show up, vote for legal weed, against existing discriminatory policies that affect the LGBTQ+ community, for their local progressive candidates, and throw up in their mouth a little when they see the presidential candidates who have to put their teeth in to eat breakfast, leaving that spot blank.

    There are a couple of candidates who would actually get me excited to go to the polls this time around, but I'm almost certain that they'll be put back in their place by the establishment jackasses, their media mouthpieces and their donors by the time November 2020 rolls around.
    So you are saying that you would vote for:
    1. Free healthcare for undocumented immigrants
    2. Waiving 1.6 trillion in student loans
    3. Reparations
    4. Re-instituting federally mandated busing

    Legal weed and equal rights are pretty mainstream items.  I wouldn't even call them progressive.  
    I'm not saying any of that. And I wouldn't do so in this forum. 
    Well those are the type of policy proposals that could cause four more years of Trump.  It's not weed and LGBTQ rights. 
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