Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

PJ_Soul · February 2019

cincybearcat said:

https://www.thoughtco.com/open-admissions-policy-788432

Interesting. The open admissions means everyone gets in. However you may be wait listed for some courses if overcrowded. The reality is though that these regional campuses, etc that have open admissions need the $ from the students.

Well yes. Having a bunch of empty seats is financial ruin for any college. Getting enrollment numbers up is a really high priority - the highest - for administration. That's true for schools in all systems, be they private or public or completely covered by the state.

mrussel1 · February 2019

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

https://www.thoughtco.com/open-admissions-policy-788432

Interesting. The open admissions means everyone gets in. However you may be wait listed for some courses if overcrowded. The reality is though that these regional campuses, etc that have open admissions need the $ from the students.

Well yes. Having a bunch of empty seats is financial ruin for any college. Getting enrollment numbers up is a really high priority - the highest - for administration. That's true for schools in all systems, be they private or public or completely covered by the state.

And regardless of "can" vs "will", a student still has to complete the coursework at an acceptable level. And schools must monitor their programs to retain accreditation.

Remember that reducing the supply of school seats will only increase the tuition rate. Good for Ohio State for having regional campuses to accept as many students who want to better themselves.

mrussel1 · February 2019

Meltdown99 said:

Just a question. In Ontario, as I'm sure is happening everywhere, we get quite an influx of foreign students, in which the schools can pretty much charge what the market dictates for tuition and they are exempt from tuition increase caps. Do you think it's possible that schools deny entrance to a local kid in order for the foreign student paying much more?

Interesting question. Im not sure that plays deeply into their decisions. Having a diverse campus is appealing. Also, foreign students who are able to afford US schools tend to come from affluent backgrounds and have really strong educations. They are smart.

PJ_Soul · February 2019

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Just a question. In Ontario, as I'm sure is happening everywhere, we get quite an influx of foreign students, in which the schools can pretty much charge what the market dictates for tuition and they are exempt from tuition increase caps. Do you think it's possible that schools deny entrance to a local kid in order for the foreign student paying much more?

Interesting question. Im not sure that plays deeply into their decisions. Having a diverse campus is appealing. Also, foreign students who are able to afford US schools tend to come from affluent backgrounds and have really strong educations. They are smart.

I work at a university, and I can confirm that the massive tuition rates laid on foreign students is the MOST important factor by far. Like, by FAAARRRRR. It's really the only thing that matters in this context. Having a diverse campus is neither here nor there. It would be diverse if no foreign students attended because Canada (and the US) are already really diverse. And FYI, most of those students are from China and other Asian nations where the education systems are corrupt as fuck. Many of the institutions these students are coming from just sold the grades to them. Of course some of these students are super-smart and very hard workers. But many of them really struggle, and cheat like crazy because they couldn't pass if they didn't. The cheat rates are now up at 40%, and the vast majority of those doing the cheating are those who have money and also have very poor English skills and can barely get by. They come here and expect to be able to buy their degrees like they would be able to where they come from. When they find out they can't, they get really stressed and find any way they can to get through it. There is also a very high depression/anxiety/suicide rate among foreign students because of these issues. And yes, students who can't really speak English in English language universities really do disrupt learning too. It's a bad scene. And the language testing requirement programs are a joke. The students also find ways to cheat on that as well, and they can take the tests over and over again until they memorize the questions and answers and pass that way.

And aside from all this, there is the problem of them filling a ton of space in our universities because they pay so much, but then they just take their degrees and go back home. So just because they are willing to pay a shitload of money, they take spots in the schools from domestic students who would be a benefit to our own country with that education.... I don't blame the student here. I blame the system that allows this to happen.

mrussel1 · February 2019

That's really interesting. My experience in the states has been graduate students, mostly from India. They all basically came from India Institute of Technology and were smart as hell. And they all came from money. We hired them as engineers.
On the negative side, they were misogynistic and struggled to compromise.

PJ_Soul · February 2019

mrussel1 said:

That's really interesting. My experience in the states has been graduate students, mostly from India. They all basically came from India Institute of Technology and were smart as hell. And they all came from money. We hired them as engineers.
On the negative side, they were misogynistic and struggled to compromise.

Ah, yes, some from India too. They don't really bring so much of the same issues because most of them are way better at English when they arrive, and it seems that those who make it to that point really were successful in school before that. I think the Indian university system is better than China's in that it isn't as corrupt. The students don't expect to pay their way through it. But yes, one thing I noticed about the male students from India is that they would often try to really aggressively bully the female administrators into giving them what they want. They tried it on me TONS of times. They obviously didn't know who they were dealing with.

I've even had a couple of male students from India threaten me with law suits because I wouldn't bend the rules for them.

Middle Eastern male students are the same. Actually, they're worse (the women are generally lovely). Obviously I'm speaking generally here - many India and Chinese students don't do what I'm saying; I'm just saying the common problems that trend with those demographics.

Also, Masters student are a whole different ballgame. I'm talking undergrad only here. You can't get into a Masters program if you do what I've described... Although I will say that English language skills still pose a problem with Masters students sometimes, but by then it's because they have to teach, and their speaking English is too poor/accent is too strong. I was actually forced to just not attend a couple of classes when I was a student because the TAs running my classes literally couldn't be understood. There was no point in going. And we do get a few complaints about this issue now. But that is the exception with Masters students, not the rule.

cincybearcat · February 2019

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

https://www.thoughtco.com/open-admissions-policy-788432

Interesting. The open admissions means everyone gets in. However you may be wait listed for some courses if overcrowded. The reality is though that these regional campuses, etc that have open admissions need the $ from the students.

Well yes. Having a bunch of empty seats is financial ruin for any college. Getting enrollment numbers up is a really high priority - the highest - for administration. That's true for schools in all systems, be they private or public or completely covered by the state.

And regardless of "can" vs "will", a student still has to complete the coursework at an acceptable level. And schools must monitor their programs to retain accreditation.

Remember that reducing the supply of school seats will only increase the tuition rate. Good for Ohio State for having regional campuses to accept as many students who want to better themselves.

Its astate schools in Ohio. University of cincinnati included.

cincybearcat · February 2019

mrussel1 said:

That's really interesting. My experience in the states has been graduate students, mostly from India. They all basically came from India Institute of Technology and were smart as hell. And they all came from money. We hired them as engineers.
On the negative side, they were misogynistic and struggled to compromise.

The engineering masters programs have a lot of Asian and Indian students. I was basically begged to go to masters and got free tuition and a stipend cause I was American.

And, while not all, many male Indian engineers are very backwards when it comes to women. They live like the US in the 50’s. In the workplace some are also terrible bosses because their culture is to please their boss. So they don’t buffer their direct reports from the nonsense and expect no contradiction/input. Again, not all, but enough that it’s certainly cultural. Heck my company offered and even forced others to attend a class on the Indian culture due to many issues. Kinda the ring way to handle that in my opinion. A bit one sided, it’s an American company and the sites were in America. Perhaps they should also learn the American mgmt style? To at least understand it? Anyhoo.

PJ_Soul · February 2019

It's true, the position of women in those cultures is still eons behind, despite the fact that it's a fight in those places. I hope change comes really really fast in those cultures. It is definitely progressing, but it is SO far behind the west, that it's impossible to feel patient about slow change, while billions of women suffer. It's the biggest human right crisis on the face of the planet by far (and let's not exclude the west here completely. We're eons ahead in terms of women's rights, but it's still a big problem in some ways, and we need to focus on more progress in our own cultures too).

mrussel1 · February 2019

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

That's really interesting. My experience in the states has been graduate students, mostly from India. They all basically came from India Institute of Technology and were smart as hell. And they all came from money. We hired them as engineers.
On the negative side, they were misogynistic and struggled to compromise.

The engineering masters programs have a lot of Asian and Indian students. I was basically begged to go to masters and got free tuition and a stipend cause I was American.

And, while not all, many male Indian engineers are very backwards when it comes to women. They live like the US in the 50’s. In the workplace some are also terrible bosses because their culture is to please their boss. So they don’t buffer their direct reports from the nonsense and expect no contradiction/input. Again, not all, but enough that it’s certainly cultural. Heck my company offered and even forced others to attend a class on the Indian culture due to many issues. Kinda the ring way to handle that in my opinion. A bit one sided, it’s an American company and the sites were in America. Perhaps they should also learn the American mgmt style? To at least understand it? Anyhoo.

They hit the ceiling in our company because of the issue with women in particular. This is when I was with Capital One which is a very progressive company. Many ended up frustrated and went back to India once they got to a senior director type role and could go no further. The only exception I saw in 14 years was a man that I really respected and he was my boss early in my career. He was as kind and smart as they come. He's the CEO of a fortune 500 now. Interestingly he was the only Christian I met.

tempo_n_groove · February 2019

Has anyone actually read the Green Proposal yet?!?

Thoughts on it?

Meltdown99 · February 2019

tempo_n_groove said:

Has anyone actually read the Green Proposal yet?!?

Thoughts on it?

Have fun walking when she does away with fossil fuels by 2030. Or be prepared to take a small mortgage out for an electric car. Or you could just stay at home and be one of the unwilling to work and get free money...so all will good.

tempo_n_groove · February 2019

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Has anyone actually read the Green Proposal yet?!?

Thoughts on it?

Have fun walking when she does away with fossil fuels by 2030. Or be prepared to take a small mortgage out for an electric car. Or you could just stay at home and be one of the unwilling to work and get free money...so all will good.

So you haven't read it then...

tempo_n_groove · February 2019

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/604-green-new-deal-resolution/e0c468643280097e630e/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

This is the 14 page document.

HesCalledDyer · February 2019

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Has anyone actually read the Green Proposal yet?!?

Thoughts on it?

Have fun walking when she does away with fossil fuels by 2030. Or be prepared to take a small mortgage out for an electric car. Or you could just stay at home and be one of the unwilling to work and get free money...so all will good.

So you haven't read it then...

Meltdown99 · February 2019

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Has anyone actually read the Green Proposal yet?!?

Thoughts on it?

Have fun walking when she does away with fossil fuels by 2030. Or be prepared to take a small mortgage out for an electric car. Or you could just stay at home and be one of the unwilling to work and get free money...so all will good.

So you haven't read it then...

Some of it. As soon as someone claims we can eliminate fossil fuels in 11 years, I tend to write them off, even more so from over paid politicians.

oftenreading · February 2019

I've read some of it, by no means all of it. Where it's specific it is ambitious but necessary. Anyone who denies the need has their head in the sand and no knowledge of the state of the science. However, it's not going to happen anyway, due to human desire for convenience.

tempo_n_groove · February 2019

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Has anyone actually read the Green Proposal yet?!?

Thoughts on it?

Have fun walking when she does away with fossil fuels by 2030. Or be prepared to take a small mortgage out for an electric car. Or you could just stay at home and be one of the unwilling to work and get free money...so all will good.

So you haven't read it then...

Some of it. As soon as someone claims we can eliminate fossil fuels in 11 years, I tend to write them off, even more so from over paid politicians.

That is fair. I'm having the same conversations with other friends and they can't and won't get past that point either.

Even though it says to remove all fossil fuels it also mentions in parts 6Bi and 8H that they will do so "as much as feasibly possible" which I take it to mean that not EVERYTHING will be eliminated.

mace1229 · February 2019

Just read through it. It isn't as crazy as AOC's post, but still leaves more questions than answers.
One, it doesn't really say how they plan to accomplish any of this.
One big questions are the public transportation. They want to invest in a high speed rail. Why? That was one of Califronia's biggest failures in the last decade. Lets invest in something that has a proven success, not a proven failure. And I am convinced public transportation isn't feasible for everyone within this time frame. You would need a system that covers hundreds of square miles to fill the needs of LA.
There's other questions, that was just one topic.

mace1229 · February 2019

Until we get China on board with a deal I don't think it is going to make much of a difference other than send more business their way. The lack of regulations is one reason it is so much cheaper to produce over there. With one one of the goals to increase domestic production of goods, I just dont see that happening without cooperation from China.

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