Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1096433078136901634

So these office workers are going to be given bottles to piss in?

So these jobs averaging 150k will have those folks on food stamps?

Doubling down on stupid. 

That is the only thing I can think of.  If workers in their warehouse are improperly treated, address that ... chasing that many jobs away is just stupid ... 

And the warehouse isn't in her district..  this was hq, white collar.  

Joe and Mika were ripping her apart, as was the whole MSNBC team this morning.  They were really pissed that she was celebrating this 'victory'.  It's exactly how I felt yesterday.  

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1096438779366256640

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1096433078136901634

So these office workers are going to be given bottles to piss in?

So these jobs averaging 150k will have those folks on food stamps?

Again, that 150k average salary thing is completely misleading. (I am not saying I necessarily agree with AOC on this one btw... though I do agree or empathize with some of her concerns)

Meltdown99

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1096433078136901634

So these office workers are going to be given bottles to piss in?

So these jobs averaging 150k will have those folks on food stamps?

Doubling down on stupid. 

That is the only thing I can think of.  If workers in their warehouse are improperly treated, address that ... chasing that many jobs away is just stupid ... 

And the warehouse isn't in her district..  this was hq, white collar.  

Joe and Mika were ripping her apart, as was the whole MSNBC team this morning.  They were really pissed that she was celebrating this 'victory'.  It's exactly how I felt yesterday.  

I totally understand people do not like rich corporations getting tax breaks.  But 3 billion in incentives for 25 000 jobs that will be there for years, then the spinoff jobs that are getting created.  Jeesh, if some corporation wanted to come near me, with the promise of 25000 jobs, I expect my politicians to get it done ... not chase them away.  That a small town.

It also sends an anti-business message.  

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1096433078136901634

So these office workers are going to be given bottles to piss in?

So these jobs averaging 150k will have those folks on food stamps?

Again, that 150k average salary thing is completely misleading. (I am not saying I necessarily agree with AOC on this one btw... though I do agree or empathize with some of her concerns)

How is it misleading? Amazon said the average wage of the 25,000 new jobs would be $150,000.  It had nothing to do with average amazon pay or the ceo it anything.

The only potentially misleading thing would be if they were including benefits, etc in that number and not just salary.

tempo_n_groove

Reading the 14 page memo I did get this out of it.

Plane companies would be massively reduced.  Intercontinental flights would be non existent so you'd piss those companies and employees off.  Don't forget the share holders...

Fuel that is used to fly those planes would be drastically reduced so the oil companies and employees that make the fuel would get pissed off.  Don't forget the share holders...

Focusing on rail and bus transit would be a major task.  I'd love to take a bullet train across country.

Coal exports would stop so that industry would be completely dead.  Oh yeah, the share holders...

It talks about renewable energy but doesn't pin point how we will do that.

I do like that it would make new buildings maximum efficient.  There is something called LEED that is and has already been in place though I don't think she knows that this even exists.

Retrofitting older buildings to maximum efficiency.

Local job and manufacturing focus is a nationalist approach.  This was frowned upon when mentioned by the current admin.

These are all great ideas but I just don't see how we pay for them?

Halifax2TheMax

There is definitely some anti-corporate greed driving this, think Wal-Mart, GE, NFL owners looking for subsidies for stadiums, etc. As for Amazon, they should address how they treat their warehouse employees because that’s where the vast majority of jobs are when it’s all said and done. I get not these jobs in particular but it might be similar to Wal-Mart treating their employees like shit while the 10 Walton family members are billionaires many times over. Take care of your own before you come looking for a hand out with your hand out. What’s Bezo’s net worth again?

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1096433078136901634

So these office workers are going to be given bottles to piss in?

So these jobs averaging 150k will have those folks on food stamps?

Again, that 150k average salary thing is completely misleading. (I am not saying I necessarily agree with AOC on this one btw... though I do agree or empathize with some of her concerns)

You are the only one here saying that, Cincy and mrussel1 are saying these are legit wages.  This is not a warehouse, these are corporate jobs, and I am assuming that Amazon has to compete wage wise with all the other corporations.  I believe I read that many of these jobs are computer engineer jobs.  I'm pretty sure the wait staff in the cafeteria will not bring down that average much. 

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

There is definitely some anti-corporate greed driving this, think Wal-Mart, GE, NFL owners looking for subsidies for stadiums, etc. As for Amazon, they should address how they treat their warehouse employees because that’s where the vast majority of jobs are when it’s all said and done. I get not these jobs in particular but it might be similar to Wal-Mart treating their employees like shit while the 10 Walton family members are billionaires many times over. Take care of your own before you come looking for a hand out with your hand out. What’s Bezo’s net worth again?

It could also boil down to votes?

Start building that complex and everything in a 10 mile radius gets more expensive and starts pushing people out.  That's  Ocasio's base of voters that would be moving from there.

Even 150K jobs would be spending 80% of their income on housing so no way a 50K warehouse job is going to be able to sustain in that proximity.

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

There is definitely some anti-corporate greed driving this, think Wal-Mart, GE, NFL owners looking for subsidies for stadiums, etc. As for Amazon, they should address how they treat their warehouse employees because that’s where the vast majority of jobs are when it’s all said and done. I get not these jobs in particular but it might be similar to Wal-Mart treating their employees like shit while the 10 Walton family members are billionaires many times over. Take care of your own before you come looking for a hand out with your hand out. What’s Bezo’s net worth again?

I’d be very interested in the reality in the warehouses.

1) Having to work a holiday? This is something that happens in the 24/7 world. Manufacturing and warehousing rarely close down completely.

2) Forced OT? Yup part of the job description a lot. Especially in union facilities cause the ones with seniority don’t work it.

3) Pissing in trash cans cause no bathroom breaks? This is truly awful if true. So many bad things, it’s unhealthy for the people, it kills morale, it creates biohazards for all...of true its damning.

4) Safety - if truly having people finish work before being seen it is truly awful and illegal. At least in the US. 

Meltdown99

tempo_n_groove said:

Reading the 14 page memo I did get this out of it.

Plane companies would be massively reduced.  Intercontinental flights would be non existent so you'd piss those companies and employees off.  Don't forget the share holders...

Fuel that is used to fly those planes would be drastically reduced so the oil companies and employees that make the fuel would get pissed off.  Don't forget the share holders...

Focusing on rail and bus transit would be a major task.  I'd love to take a bullet train across country.

Coal exports would stop so that industry would be completely dead.  Oh yeah, the share holders...

It talks about renewable energy but doesn't pin point how we will do that.

I do like that it would make new buildings maximum efficient.  There is something called LEED that is and has already been in place though I don't think she knows that this even exists.

Retrofitting older buildings to maximum efficiency.

Local job and manufacturing focus is a nationalist approach.  This was frowned upon when mentioned by the current admin.

These are all great ideas but I just don't see how we pay for them?

Didn't California stop the proposed San Franciso to LA bullet train and now it's only going to be 120-160 miles, instead of 800 miles, because it was getting too expensive and cost over-runs.

cincybearcat

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Reading the 14 page memo I did get this out of it.

Plane companies would be massively reduced.  Intercontinental flights would be non existent so you'd piss those companies and employees off.  Don't forget the share holders...

Fuel that is used to fly those planes would be drastically reduced so the oil companies and employees that make the fuel would get pissed off.  Don't forget the share holders...

Focusing on rail and bus transit would be a major task.  I'd love to take a bullet train across country.

Coal exports would stop so that industry would be completely dead.  Oh yeah, the share holders...

It talks about renewable energy but doesn't pin point how we will do that.

I do like that it would make new buildings maximum efficient.  There is something called LEED that is and has already been in place though I don't think she knows that this even exists.

Retrofitting older buildings to maximum efficiency.

Local job and manufacturing focus is a nationalist approach.  This was frowned upon when mentioned by the current admin.

These are all great ideas but I just don't see how we pay for them?

Didn't California stop the proposed San Franciso to LA bullet train and now it's only going to be 120-160 miles, instead of 800 miles, because it was getting too expensive and cost over-runs.

I heard this on the radio but didn’t confirm it. 

tempo_n_groove

cincybearcat said:

Meltdown99 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Reading the 14 page memo I did get this out of it.

Plane companies would be massively reduced.  Intercontinental flights would be non existent so you'd piss those companies and employees off.  Don't forget the share holders...

Fuel that is used to fly those planes would be drastically reduced so the oil companies and employees that make the fuel would get pissed off.  Don't forget the share holders...

Focusing on rail and bus transit would be a major task.  I'd love to take a bullet train across country.

Coal exports would stop so that industry would be completely dead.  Oh yeah, the share holders...

It talks about renewable energy but doesn't pin point how we will do that.

I do like that it would make new buildings maximum efficient.  There is something called LEED that is and has already been in place though I don't think she knows that this even exists.

Retrofitting older buildings to maximum efficiency.

Local job and manufacturing focus is a nationalist approach.  This was frowned upon when mentioned by the current admin.

These are all great ideas but I just don't see how we pay for them?

Didn't California stop the proposed San Franciso to LA bullet train and now it's only going to be 120-160 miles, instead of 800 miles, because it was getting too expensive and cost over-runs.

I heard this on the radio but didn’t confirm it. 

That's the next can of worms I'll get involved in but I'm staying here for now, lol.

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

There is definitely some anti-corporate greed driving this, think Wal-Mart, GE, NFL owners looking for subsidies for stadiums, etc. As for Amazon, they should address how they treat their warehouse employees because that’s where the vast majority of jobs are when it’s all said and done. I get not these jobs in particular but it might be similar to Wal-Mart treating their employees like shit while the 10 Walton family members are billionaires many times over. Take care of your own before you come looking for a hand out with your hand out. What’s Bezo’s net worth again?

It could also boil down to votes?

Start building that complex and everything in a 10 mile radius gets more expensive and starts pushing people out.  That's  Ocasio's base of voters that would be moving from there.

Even 150K jobs would be spending 80% of their income on housing so no way a 50K warehouse job is going to be able to sustain in that proximity.

That would be a natural outcome.  But is that bad, on the whole?  If the answer is yes, then one is advocating for only low paying jobs, or no jobs.  Doesn't seem like the right answer either.  

PJPOWER

The whole thing just sounds like a wishlist instead of realistic and achievable goals.

CM189191

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Criticized For Preventing 25,000 New York Evictions

dignin

The more I hear about her, the more I like her. 

cincybearcat

dignin said:

The more I hear about her, the more I like her. 

I’m shocked we are having the opposite reaction! 

mrussel1

CM189191 said:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Criticized For Preventing 25,000 New York Evictions

Perfect for the onion.  

Definitely don't want good jobs in the city.  Can't let capitalism win. 

cincybearcat

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Criticized For Preventing 25,000 New York Evictions

Perfect for the onion.  

Definitely don't want good jobs in the city.  Can't let capitalism win. 

It all works out for AOC. The jobs go elsewhere and she gets those people to pay for a living wage for her people that are unwilling to work.