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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
    My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 
    I'm not sure how we're supposed to know what a "throwaway comment" might be.
    In any case, suggesting he'll be reelected is a pretty big comment in and of itself, for public speaking or anything else. I think this theory needs to be thoroughly discussed, because the implications of such a statement are MASSIVE.
    Well because of course his public-speaking isn't going to improve. He's just a performer and he performs his "greatest hits" at his rallies.

    But as for suggesting he'll be re-elected, yes, that I do actually believe. I say that because traditionally, every challenger to the presidency usually campaigns on the basis of "Here's everything the current President has done wrong." A sound-enough strategy. But as we saw in 2016, the rules don't apply to Trump. They just don't. Like him not revealing his tax information. Can you imagine if Mitt Romney had refused that in 2012? His candidacy would be over right there. Not Trump for some reason. So I fear more of the same in the 2020. Some Democrat playing proper politics like Hillary and bringing up all the problems with his presidency, and he'll reply with something like "Yeah well you're a big, fat loser," and people will laugh and his poll numbers will go up. A strange time we're living in. 

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,172
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
    My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 
    I'm not sure how we're supposed to know what a "throwaway comment" might be.
    In any case, suggesting he'll be reelected is a pretty big comment in and of itself, for public speaking or anything else. I think this theory needs to be thoroughly discussed, because the implications of such a statement are MASSIVE.
    Well because of course his public-speaking isn't going to improve. He's just a performer and he performs his "greatest hits" at his rallies.

    But as for suggesting he'll be re-elected, yes, that I do actually believe. I say that because traditionally, every challenger to the presidency usually campaigns on the basis of "Here's everything the current President has done wrong." A sound-enough strategy. But as we saw in 2016, the rules don't apply to Trump. They just don't. Like him not revealing his tax information. Can you imagine if Mitt Romney had refused that in 2012? His candidacy would be over right there. Not Trump for some reason. So I fear more of the same in the 2020. Some Democrat playing proper politics like Hillary and bringing up all the problems with his presidency, and he'll reply with something like "Yeah well you're a big, fat loser," and people will laugh and his poll numbers will go up. A strange time we're living in. 

    Are you discounting the Russia investigation? Do you really think a year or six months of Team Trump Treason being associated with putin on the ritz and doing his bidding, disparagement of NATO and the UN and our European allies, the government shutdown, etc. will be ignored by voters, particularly in debates? A "green New Deal" can resonate as will healthcare reform, folks are realizing the negative effects of overturning Obamacare and not offering an alternative, and education, income disparity and other meat and potato dem issues. His base is not enough this time around as dems are energized and indies aren't going to be fooled again. Biden will eat Team trump Treason's lunch during a debate and on the campaign trail. And if I'm running any congressional campaigns, I'm associating every repub candidate to Team Trump Treason, joining them at the hip.
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,683
    I gotta ask - is F1 for "Team Trump Treason" and F2 for "putin on the ritz"? Are these programmed in at this point?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,172
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
    My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 
    I'm not sure how we're supposed to know what a "throwaway comment" might be.
    In any case, suggesting he'll be reelected is a pretty big comment in and of itself, for public speaking or anything else. I think this theory needs to be thoroughly discussed, because the implications of such a statement are MASSIVE.
    Well because of course his public-speaking isn't going to improve. He's just a performer and he performs his "greatest hits" at his rallies.

    But as for suggesting he'll be re-elected, yes, that I do actually believe. I say that because traditionally, every challenger to the presidency usually campaigns on the basis of "Here's everything the current President has done wrong." A sound-enough strategy. But as we saw in 2016, the rules don't apply to Trump. They just don't. Like him not revealing his tax information. Can you imagine if Mitt Romney had refused that in 2012? His candidacy would be over right there. Not Trump for some reason. So I fear more of the same in the 2020. Some Democrat playing proper politics like Hillary and bringing up all the problems with his presidency, and he'll reply with something like "Yeah well you're a big, fat loser," and people will laugh and his poll numbers will go up. A strange time we're living in. 

    Are you discounting the Russia investigation? Do you really think a year or six months of Team Trump Treason being associated with putin on the ritz and doing his bidding, disparagement of NATO and the UN and our European allies, the government shutdown, etc. will be ignored by voters, particularly in debates? A "green New Deal" can resonate as will healthcare reform, folks are realizing the negative effects of overturning Obamacare and not offering an alternative, and education, income disparity and other meat and potato dem issues. His base is not enough this time around as dems are energized and indies aren't going to be fooled again. Biden will eat Team trump Treason's lunch during a debate and on the campaign trail. And if I'm running any congressional campaigns, I'm associating every repub candidate to Team Trump Treason, joining them at the hip.
    These are all good points. I wish I visited this board more during the 2016 election though because I'd wager a guess that you (and everyone else) had dozens of points why he wouldn't have won then. And I bet they were all valid points, as these are. Believe me, if it was anybody else, I'd say the Russia investigation would be enough to beat him. But shit with this guy just doesn't happen the way it should. 

    I don't think disparagement of Nato and allies will register much with voters (it should, but I don't think it will). But I do think the government shutdown will resonate with voters big time. I also think farmers in middle-America (who Trump won big with in 2016) will turn on him too because he hasn't done a thing for them that he's promised. So if the Dems actually get people out to vote, they should win. All logic points to them winning. But logic doesn't hold the water it once did now in the Trump-era. 
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    Bank: Ok...what is your income?
    FW: Right now?  Zero....I am furloughed and have no idea when I will get a paycheck
    Bank: Fuck you
    Honestly this isn't true.  The US banks that I work with are making concessions and essentially treating people better than those covered by the service member relief act (SCRA). The consumer banks aren't always the bad guys.  Now investment banking..m.
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    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/24/business/wilbur-ross-loans-food-assistance-government-shutdown/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbbusiness&utm_content=2019-01-24T17:03:04

    Furloughed Worker: I would like to take out a loan to cover my living expenses
    Bank: Ok...what is your income?
    FW: Right now?  Zero....I am furloughed and have no idea when I will get a paycheck
    Bank: Fuck you
    that's messed up.  wow.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,612
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
    My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 
    I'm not sure how we're supposed to know what a "throwaway comment" might be.
    In any case, suggesting he'll be reelected is a pretty big comment in and of itself, for public speaking or anything else. I think this theory needs to be thoroughly discussed, because the implications of such a statement are MASSIVE.
    Well because of course his public-speaking isn't going to improve. He's just a performer and he performs his "greatest hits" at his rallies.

    But as for suggesting he'll be re-elected, yes, that I do actually believe. I say that because traditionally, every challenger to the presidency usually campaigns on the basis of "Here's everything the current President has done wrong." A sound-enough strategy. But as we saw in 2016, the rules don't apply to Trump. They just don't. Like him not revealing his tax information. Can you imagine if Mitt Romney had refused that in 2012? His candidacy would be over right there. Not Trump for some reason. So I fear more of the same in the 2020. Some Democrat playing proper politics like Hillary and bringing up all the problems with his presidency, and he'll reply with something like "Yeah well you're a big, fat loser," and people will laugh and his poll numbers will go up. A strange time we're living in. 

    Are you discounting the Russia investigation? Do you really think a year or six months of Team Trump Treason being associated with putin on the ritz and doing his bidding, disparagement of NATO and the UN and our European allies, the government shutdown, etc. will be ignored by voters, particularly in debates? A "green New Deal" can resonate as will healthcare reform, folks are realizing the negative effects of overturning Obamacare and not offering an alternative, and education, income disparity and other meat and potato dem issues. His base is not enough this time around as dems are energized and indies aren't going to be fooled again. Biden will eat Team trump Treason's lunch during a debate and on the campaign trail. And if I'm running any congressional campaigns, I'm associating every repub candidate to Team Trump Treason, joining them at the hip.
    These are all good points. I wish I visited this board more during the 2016 election though because I'd wager a guess that you (and everyone else) had dozens of points why he wouldn't have won then. And I bet they were all valid points, as these are. Believe me, if it was anybody else, I'd say the Russia investigation would be enough to beat him. But shit with this guy just doesn't happen the way it should. 

    I don't think disparagement of Nato and allies will register much with voters (it should, but I don't think it will). But I do think the government shutdown will resonate with voters big time. I also think farmers in middle-America (who Trump won big with in 2016) will turn on him too because he hasn't done a thing for them that he's promised. So if the Dems actually get people out to vote, they should win. All logic points to them winning. But logic doesn't hold the water it once did now in the Trump-era. 
    But remember that he lost the popular vote back then, and now the majority who hate him have perhaps learned a lesson, i.e. no more protest votes, and ffs, don't just shrug off going to the polls. I think the majority of voters are disgusted by Trump, and will come out in serious droves to vote for the Democratic nominee precisely because they worry about a repeat of 2016. Plus I'm sure there were in fact plenty of Trump voters in 2016 who now see the error of their judgement.
    Just because things happened before, it doesn't necessarily mean it will happen that way again. It seems a bit unwarranted to me to feel so positive about something simply because it happened before, when nobody actually understood just how fucking insane Trump is. I don't think ANYONE who really understand the state of the government right now actually expected him to be as fucked up and as much of a disaster as he actually has been.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 12,586
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
    My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 
    I'm not sure how we're supposed to know what a "throwaway comment" might be.
    In any case, suggesting he'll be reelected is a pretty big comment in and of itself, for public speaking or anything else. I think this theory needs to be thoroughly discussed, because the implications of such a statement are MASSIVE.
    Well because of course his public-speaking isn't going to improve. He's just a performer and he performs his "greatest hits" at his rallies.

    But as for suggesting he'll be re-elected, yes, that I do actually believe. I say that because traditionally, every challenger to the presidency usually campaigns on the basis of "Here's everything the current President has done wrong." A sound-enough strategy. But as we saw in 2016, the rules don't apply to Trump. They just don't. Like him not revealing his tax information. Can you imagine if Mitt Romney had refused that in 2012? His candidacy would be over right there. Not Trump for some reason. So I fear more of the same in the 2020. Some Democrat playing proper politics like Hillary and bringing up all the problems with his presidency, and he'll reply with something like "Yeah well you're a big, fat loser," and people will laugh and his poll numbers will go up. A strange time we're living in. 

    Are you discounting the Russia investigation? Do you really think a year or six months of Team Trump Treason being associated with putin on the ritz and doing his bidding, disparagement of NATO and the UN and our European allies, the government shutdown, etc. will be ignored by voters, particularly in debates? A "green New Deal" can resonate as will healthcare reform, folks are realizing the negative effects of overturning Obamacare and not offering an alternative, and education, income disparity and other meat and potato dem issues. His base is not enough this time around as dems are energized and indies aren't going to be fooled again. Biden will eat Team trump Treason's lunch during a debate and on the campaign trail. And if I'm running any congressional campaigns, I'm associating every repub candidate to Team Trump Treason, joining them at the hip.
    These are all good points. I wish I visited this board more during the 2016 election though because I'd wager a guess that you (and everyone else) had dozens of points why he wouldn't have won then. And I bet they were all valid points, as these are. Believe me, if it was anybody else, I'd say the Russia investigation would be enough to beat him. But shit with this guy just doesn't happen the way it should. 

    I don't think disparagement of Nato and allies will register much with voters (it should, but I don't think it will). But I do think the government shutdown will resonate with voters big time. I also think farmers in middle-America (who Trump won big with in 2016) will turn on him too because he hasn't done a thing for them that he's promised. So if the Dems actually get people out to vote, they should win. All logic points to them winning. But logic doesn't hold the water it once did now in the Trump-era. 
    Hmmmmm...I didn’t think he’d get the nomination. I didn’t think he’d win. I don’t think he’ll win in 2020.

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    edited January 24

    Edit because quoting and "drafts" on this site suck. Half of my response to PJ_Soul got cut off. Lame. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,846
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    I gotta ask - is F1 for "Team Trump Treason" and F2 for "putin on the ritz"? Are these programmed in at this point?
    He once typoed "Team Trump Treason" (which I only remember because I was thinking of this same joke).  I was surprised.
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    Edit because quoting and "drafts" on this site suck. Half of my response to PJ_Soul got cut off. Lame. 
    Yeah, I hate that, it's so frustrating!
    Anyway, I've made clear that kind of assuming that he'll get reelected isn't justified and is also a disturbing way of thinking. However, as I've said many times before, I will NEVER again just assume such a thing couldn't happen, like so many of us did back in 2015, when the idea of Trump being President was still basically a total joke that The Simpsons made up, and an impossibility in real life. I just think that those who are acting like it's almost an inevitability (even to the point of writing off all Democratic candidates before anyone has even campaigned) are ignoring a whole lot of reality, and have maybe forgotten that rational thought in America is still a thing, even though sometimes it feels like it isn't, lol.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,846
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 
    I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.
    That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

    Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

    So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 
    Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.
    Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 
    There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.
    He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.
    My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 
    I'm not sure how we're supposed to know what a "throwaway comment" might be.
    In any case, suggesting he'll be reelected is a pretty big comment in and of itself, for public speaking or anything else. I think this theory needs to be thoroughly discussed, because the implications of such a statement are MASSIVE.
    Well because of course his public-speaking isn't going to improve. He's just a performer and he performs his "greatest hits" at his rallies.

    But as for suggesting he'll be re-elected, yes, that I do actually believe. I say that because traditionally, every challenger to the presidency usually campaigns on the basis of "Here's everything the current President has done wrong." A sound-enough strategy. But as we saw in 2016, the rules don't apply to Trump. They just don't. Like him not revealing his tax information. Can you imagine if Mitt Romney had refused that in 2012? His candidacy would be over right there. Not Trump for some reason. So I fear more of the same in the 2020. Some Democrat playing proper politics like Hillary and bringing up all the problems with his presidency, and he'll reply with something like "Yeah well you're a big, fat loser," and people will laugh and his poll numbers will go up. A strange time we're living in. 

    Are you discounting the Russia investigation? Do you really think a year or six months of Team Trump Treason being associated with putin on the ritz and doing his bidding, disparagement of NATO and the UN and our European allies, the government shutdown, etc. will be ignored by voters, particularly in debates? A "green New Deal" can resonate as will healthcare reform, folks are realizing the negative effects of overturning Obamacare and not offering an alternative, and education, income disparity and other meat and potato dem issues. His base is not enough this time around as dems are energized and indies aren't going to be fooled again. Biden will eat Team trump Treason's lunch during a debate and on the campaign trail. And if I'm running any congressional campaigns, I'm associating every repub candidate to Team Trump Treason, joining them at the hip.
    It's very possible that the results of the investigation will include circumstantial evidence and a few more indictments.  That will cost him essentially no support.  Add to that the less-than-stellar Dem field and it's unwise to be confident that he can't win.

    Now, suppose the investigation comes out as damning and unambiguous as you are anticipating.  That would get more interesting.  I still think he'd have a chance simply because of how invested in him his party and supporters are.  People don't like to admit they were wrong for so long...and their media sites will gladly feed them what they want to hear.  I honestly think there's a chance that "so what" and "Muller is fake news" might overcome anything the report could show.

    At this point, I'm not laying any money down on the Field vs. Trump.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,846
    PJ_Soul said:

    Edit because quoting and "drafts" on this site suck. Half of my response to PJ_Soul got cut off. Lame. 
    Yeah, I hate that, it's so frustrating!
    Anyway, I've made clear that kind of assuming that he'll get reelected isn't justified and is also a disturbing way of thinking. However, as I've said many times before, I will NEVER again just assume such a thing couldn't happen, like so many of us did back in 2015, when the idea of Trump being President was still basically a total joke that The Simpsons made up, and an impossibility in real life. I just think that those who are acting like it's almost an inevitability (even to the point of writing off all Democratic candidates before anyone has even campaigned) are ignoring a whole lot of reality, and have maybe forgotten that rational thought in America is still a thing, even though sometimes it feels like it isn't, lol.
    I think the only people who are calling it inevitable are his supporters.

    But I think it's in the 50/50 range
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,760
    Trump's problem is that all the data suggests his support will struggle to break through current ceiling.  There's little ambiguity on how people about him.  I'm biased but I think he can only go down. 

    One stat that has fascinated me is that Romney won more votes in Wisconsin than Trump.  And Romney lost the state.  That suggests the ambivalence of democratic voters,  whether from disenchanted Bernie people,  Russian meddling,  hillary hate,  whatever.. it was real. But I don't think it will happen again. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,172
    I gotta ask - is F1 for "Team Trump Treason" and F2 for "putin on the ritz"? Are these programmed in at this point?
    Great idea! I've got to speak with my IT department. And if I could get them to make it do this: PTeam TrUmp TreasonIN. I know you see "PTAPE" when you read that, don't you?
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,455
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    Edit because quoting and "drafts" on this site suck. Half of my response to PJ_Soul got cut off. Lame. 
    Yeah, I hate that, it's so frustrating!
    Anyway, I've made clear that kind of assuming that he'll get reelected isn't justified and is also a disturbing way of thinking. However, as I've said many times before, I will NEVER again just assume such a thing couldn't happen, like so many of us did back in 2015, when the idea of Trump being President was still basically a total joke that The Simpsons made up, and an impossibility in real life. I just think that those who are acting like it's almost an inevitability (even to the point of writing off all Democratic candidates before anyone has even campaigned) are ignoring a whole lot of reality, and have maybe forgotten that rational thought in America is still a thing, even though sometimes it feels like it isn't, lol.
    I think the only people who are calling it inevitable are his supporters.

    But I think it's in the 50/50 range
    Yeah I think it’s more like 50/50. I misrepresented myself a bit in my back and forth with PJ_Soul. It’s not that I assume he’s going to win. I’m just not about to assume he loses just based on the fact that he should lose. I’m just down on the Democratic Party. Not their positions on issues, but how they go about politicking. I don’t think they get their points across to their perspective voters the GOP does. 
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    Maybe I should say they rile up their voters better than the Dems do. 
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,692
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    remember in history good always defeats evil eventually. he will either be out of office before the next election or lose big.  the only question is how much (more) damage he does to this country before he is no longer in charge.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,612
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    pjhawks said:
    remember in history good always defeats evil eventually. he will either be out of office before the next election or lose big.  the only question is how much (more) damage he does to this country before he is no longer in charge.
    I bet the First Nations all wish that were true! The environmentalists too.
    I hope that is the case this time.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,558
    Good news everyone!  

    tRUmp says your grocery store will float you credit for your groceries because they know you!



    I'll bet I've been to the grocery store more times this week than tRUmp has his whole life.  They're never offered me a line of credit.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,612
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    He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,846
    PJ_Soul said:
    He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.
    When you're a billionaire your entire life, you get a bit detached from the day-to-day norms of the rest of us. 

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,612
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.
    When you're a billionaire your entire life, you get a bit detached from the day-to-day norms of the rest of us. 

    Working class hero; has never mowed a lawn.
    Well to be fair, these days most working class people can't afford a detached home, so definitely wouldn't be mowing a lawn, lol. ;)
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,179
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.
    When you're a billionaire your entire life, you get a bit detached from the day-to-day norms of the rest of us. 

    Working class hero; has never mowed a lawn.
    Well to be fair, these days most working class people can't afford a detached home, so definitely wouldn't be mowing a lawn, lol. ;)
    Haha, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Trump voters had a higher rate of home oeownersh than Clinton voters though.
    Property is cheap in American opioid towns.

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 19,884
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.
    When you're a billionaire your entire life, you get a bit detached from the day-to-day norms of the rest of us. 

    Working class hero; has never mowed a lawn.
    Well to be fair, these days most working class people can't afford a detached home, so definitely wouldn't be mowing a lawn, lol. ;)
    Haha, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Trump voters had a higher rate of home oeownersh than Clinton voters though.
    Property is cheap in American opioid towns.

    You can buy a house for 15,000$ in some of these towns.
    Where can you buy a house for 15k? Even if you could buy that cheap I m guessing you’d have to go to the studs. 

    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,760
    Trump is going to take the only way out he has,  by declaring the emergency.  It will get locked up in court but he'll stop the political bleeding.  No wall will be built. 
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 12,179
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    OnWis97 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.
    When you're a billionaire your entire life, you get a bit detached from the day-to-day norms of the rest of us. 

    Working class hero; has never mowed a lawn.
    Well to be fair, these days most working class people can't afford a detached home, so definitely wouldn't be mowing a lawn, lol. ;)
    Haha, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Trump voters had a higher rate of home oeownersh than Clinton voters though.
    Property is cheap in American opioid towns.

    You can buy a house for 15,000$ in some of these towns.
    Where can you buy a house for 15k? Even if you could buy that cheap I m guessing you’d have to go to the studs. 

    Pick a town in Ohio lol
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  • CM189191 said:
    Good news everyone!  

    tRUmp says your grocery store will float you credit for your groceries because they know you!



    I'll bet I've been to the grocery store more times this week than tRUmp has his whole life.  They're never offered me a line of credit.

    What a f**king prick.

    Out of touch. Let them eat cake. My gawd he's detestable.

    The people that voted for this guy deserve him. For the others... I'm so sorry you are saddled with such irresponsible neighbours.
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