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This is one of the best pieces out there: https://medium.com/s/story/what-happened-when-a-trump-supporter-challenged-me-about-the-wall-e54e86a5edd1?fbclid=IwAR10z7AoIgRS9NVs7XE-PW9Widz1zZT7ScGQB0YjWcQoV8Bj6-qXotz88Fsoftenreading said:
There isn't "already a wall in place", there are sections of barrier, with variable and questionable efficacy. "The Wall", as Trump's concept, is very different, with major implications in many areas, not least of all environmental. I don't understand why you don't understand this.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
"10. Trump’s $5 billion is a laughable drop in the bucket for what would actually be needed. For example, according to the Cato Institute: An estimate for a border wall area that only covered 700 miles was originally $1.2 billion. How much did it cost in reality? $7 billion. And that’s only for 700 miles. Whatever we think it’s going to cost, experience shows us we must multiply it by more than 500 percent."0 -
oftenreading said:
There isn't "already a wall in place", there are sections of barrier, with variable and questionable efficacy. "The Wall", as Trump's concept, is very different, with major implications in many areas, not least of all environmental. I don't understand why you don't understand this.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
And don't forget the Team Trump Treason Justice Department going to court, during the shut down, to file land seizure claims via eminent domain. How American. That'll appeal to the libertarian indies in 2020. Brilliant, brilliance in all its brilliancy.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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The fact of the matter is that everyone, oh and I mean everyone, knows that The Wall is nothing more than Trump's campaign promise to his base. No one else really gives a flying fuck one way or another. So say The Dems "compromise" and gives fuckface $5.7B and gets 570 miles of fence/wall/dildos for a country border that is 1,954 miles. People don't want to wake up that the whole thing is a fucking charade.
No one to blame but the fuckface in office.0 -
Here's the thing.. Trump has offered NOTHING of value for the wall. The 3 year DACA extension is worthless. It's only 18 months in the real world, tops, and it would just be another political football should he win re-election. Temp extension for a permanent wall is not a deal. Now if Trump offered green cards or actual citizenship, well then that would be something.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?0 -
And the greatest hypocrisy by the Hard R's is clutching their pearls to the ideals of fiscal conservatism when there couldn't be a greater waste of money (to go along with the handling of the budget, which the debt is on track to hit $1T - with a T! - for the first time since 2012, and at least then we had the excuse of the worst economic downturn in the country's history since the Great Depression. Inexplicably, this time we don't have the luxury of that excuse.....but politics! Blame on both sides!").0
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Halifax2TheMax said:oftenreading said:
There isn't "already a wall in place", there are sections of barrier, with variable and questionable efficacy. "The Wall", as Trump's concept, is very different, with major implications in many areas, not least of all environmental. I don't understand why you don't understand this.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
And don't forget the Team Trump Treason Justice Department going to court, during the shut down, to file land seizure claims via eminent domain. How American. That'll appeal to the libertarian indies in 2020. Brilliant, brilliance in all its brilliancy.
It seems that, generally, people and communities actually on the border don't want the wall. Their elected representatives don't want the wall. Land seizure is but one of the many items on the list they don't like about a wall that's unnecessary and damaging.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
0 - Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
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CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
Oh, that pesky reality again. Team Trump Treason doesn't deal in reality. He lies 15 times a day, every day. He can't be trusted, see: ritz, putin on the. But yea, both sides suck. Please.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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AND for those us who may not have taken a goddamn civics test recently - again, to blame anyone but the R's and fuckface is ab.so.lutely comical: if fuckface wants to veto the bill the House can come figure out this shit without his "Wall". R's are on record saying they don't give a shit about the wall. There surely is compromise to be had here, and none of it includes a wall.
Guy pulls DACA, then pivots to the extremes, then wonders how we can help those who are "marginalized"/innocent. Boy, are we a dumb fucking country. We deserve this.
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Yeah. It would be irresponsible, fiscally and in many other ways, to just fork over billions for a wall because Trump's been playing hardball since the Dems took the House. There are times when both sides do in fact suck. This is not one of those times.CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
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Always in character.Halifax2TheMax said:CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
Oh, that pesky reality again. Team Trump Treason doesn't deal in reality. He lies 15 times a day, every day. He can't be trusted, see: ritz, putin on the. But yea, both sides suck. Please.
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2024 Napa, Wrigley, Wrigley0 - Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
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I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end. Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 - Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
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He's going to declare an emergency and take the funds from that. Democrats will sue using the Truman case as precedent. There will be a stay for a year, no wall will be built. Eventually the case will be decided likely for the Democrats (the House, specifically) as they have the power of appropriations. That's been my prediction from day one of the shutdown. I still think that's the likely outcome.mcgruff10 said:
I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end. Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
0 - Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
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Let's not forget that the R's want shutdown of the government. It's Grover Norquist's Wet Dream.mrussel1 said:
He's going to declare an emergency and take the funds from that. Democrats will sue using the Truman case as precedent. There will be a stay for a year, no wall will be built. Eventually the case will be decided likely for the Democrats (the House, specifically) as they have the power of appropriations. That's been my prediction from day one of the shutdown. I still think that's the likely outcome.mcgruff10 said:
I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end. Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
And, again, as I stated above - this can be resolved without President Fuck-O.0 - Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
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I can definitely see your scenario playing out like that.mrussel1 said:
He's going to declare an emergency and take the funds from that. Democrats will sue using the Truman case as precedent. There will be a stay for a year, no wall will be built. Eventually the case will be decided likely for the Democrats (the House, specifically) as they have the power of appropriations. That's been my prediction from day one of the shutdown. I still think that's the likely outcome.mcgruff10 said:
I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end. Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 - Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
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Yes, that's the other possibility, a handful more Senators defect to make it veto proof. It's a good point. Senators not up for primary in 2020 may be inclined to do so. Trump may even signal that he won't call them out if they do. This would give him a way to save face to his base as well.Jearlpam0925 said:
Let's not forget that the R's want shutdown of the government. It's Grover Norquist's Wet Dream.mrussel1 said:
He's going to declare an emergency and take the funds from that. Democrats will sue using the Truman case as precedent. There will be a stay for a year, no wall will be built. Eventually the case will be decided likely for the Democrats (the House, specifically) as they have the power of appropriations. That's been my prediction from day one of the shutdown. I still think that's the likely outcome.mcgruff10 said:
I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end. Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
And, again, as I stated above - this can be resolved without President Fuck-O.0 - Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
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What's the "budge" for the Dems? Not trying to be a smart-ass...but is there a budge beside "give Trump what he wants?"mcgruff10 said:
I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end. Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
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$1.8BB has already been appropriated and not a penny has been spent. How about spending that and issuing a GAO report that explains to the American people what they got for their down payment? Team Trump Treason hasn’t a fucking clue.OnWis97 said:
What's the "budge" for the Dems? Not trying to be a smart-ass...but is there a budge beside "give Trump what he wants?"mcgruff10 said:
I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end. Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
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I don't know, instead of 5.1 billion give him 2 billion. Meet somewhere in the middle so government can open back up.OnWis97 said:
What's the "budge" for the Dems? Not trying to be a smart-ass...but is there a budge beside "give Trump what he wants?"mcgruff10 said:
I'm not debating any of that, I'm just trying to think of ways this shutdown can end. Trump is 100% to blame but If both sides aren't going to budge on their positions then what the hell is going to happen?CM189191 said:
Where did the cost come from? tRUmp said build a wall, and got a quote from a contractor. That was it.mcgruff10 said:
I don't understand the dems platform on this one, there's obviously already a wall in place; what is the harm in adding to it?oftenreading said:mcgruff10 said:
It'd be nice if the dems compromised a bit. Some of these same dems have voted for the wall in the past. That's the thing that pisses me off. Politics suck.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:tempo_n_groove said:Question:
Is anyone giving the Dems a free pass on this Gov't shut down?
I can't get past that it takes two sides and both really just don't give a shit about the people. I don't see it any other way.
No compromising.
Really?
The Dems refuse to budge with a gun pointed at their head. The stupid wall is a bad idea. Bad ideas cannot be allowed to germinate. This shutdown is completely on the repubs (I'd like to buy an 'e'). They can own it- let's not spin the narrative at all.
Compromise? What's the compromise in wall or no wall? A nice little 5 foot picket fence with attractive landscaping?
Ignored all the studies on how to actually solve immigration. Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Did not consult actual engineers. Did not take into consideration ongoing costs. Did not consider affects on the environment. Did not consider the costs associated with court battles to actually acquire the land. None of these costs were taken into consideration.
Just gimme my wall because I want a monument to stupidity.
Meanwhile, what's the dems platform?- Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
- Guarantee a vote for the supplemental funding request on the House floor by the end of February.
- As part of the supplemental funding request, members will be able to offer amendments to address the current gaps in protections for Dreamers and those enrolled in Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) and those currently in Temporary Protected Status (TPS) and Deferred Enforcement Departure (DED).
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 - Once the government is reopened, the Democratic Majority will immediately begin debate in committee on the supplemental discretionary funding request by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for border security. This will allow DHS leadership to explain in detail how the funds will be used and whether this expenditure will have the reported results presented by the President.
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