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well I didnt ask youHalifax2TheMax said:
"Read my lips, no new taxes."cincybearcat said:
GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long. Even though his policies domestically ended. He wasn't a good politician.tbergs said:
The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.my2hands said:
Pretty close? Loltbergs said:
Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bushCM189191 said:
ever.mcgruff10 said:
That was a good joke.CM189191 said:
Most qualified presidential candidate evermy2hands said:
Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidateHalifax2TheMax said:
Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?Jearlpam0925 said:
Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.Jearlpam0925 said:More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked.
Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
Whatever makes you feel better
Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
Why do you think he was 1 and done?
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Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.The Juggler said:
Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....cincybearcat said:
GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long. Even though his policies domestically ended. He wasn't a good politician.tbergs said:
The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.my2hands said:
Pretty close? Loltbergs said:
Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bushCM189191 said:
ever.mcgruff10 said:
That was a good joke.CM189191 said:
Most qualified presidential candidate evermy2hands said:
Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidateHalifax2TheMax said:
Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?Jearlpam0925 said:
Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.Jearlpam0925 said:More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked.
Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
Whatever makes you feel better
Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
Why do you think he was 1 and done?It's a hopeless situation...0 -
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here.
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His handling of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and its aftermath doesn’t get enough credit.tbergs said:
Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.The Juggler said:
Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....cincybearcat said:
GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long. Even though his policies domestically ended. He wasn't a good politician.tbergs said:
The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.my2hands said:
Pretty close? Loltbergs said:
Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bushCM189191 said:
ever.mcgruff10 said:
That was a good joke.CM189191 said:
Most qualified presidential candidate evermy2hands said:
Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidateHalifax2TheMax said:
Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?Jearlpam0925 said:
Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.Jearlpam0925 said:More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked.
Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
Whatever makes you feel better
Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
Why do you think he was 1 and done?
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I get what you're saying. He's a good public speaker if you never attended school, don't understand English or are deaf. Who knew that there are 60 million plus Americans who fit that criteria...Ledbetterman10 said:
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Can anyone imagine the Team Trump Treason Administration handling any “crisis” of that magnitude or severity? You better hope no big shit storm occur, whether economic, political or military. We’re down to the E Team.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I agree. He did great in that regard, but by the time re-election came along all anyone could think of was taxes and Iraq.Halifax2TheMax said:
His handling of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and its aftermath doesn’t get enough credit.tbergs said:
Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.The Juggler said:
Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....cincybearcat said:
GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long. Even though his policies domestically ended. He wasn't a good politician.tbergs said:
The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.my2hands said:
Pretty close? Loltbergs said:
Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bushCM189191 said:
ever.mcgruff10 said:
That was a good joke.CM189191 said:
Most qualified presidential candidate evermy2hands said:
Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidateHalifax2TheMax said:
Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?Jearlpam0925 said:
Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.Jearlpam0925 said:More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked.
Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
Whatever makes you feel better
Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
Why do you think he was 1 and done?
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Agreed.Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
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What about Iraq did you not like? I think the recent years have shown GHWB was smarter than a lot of people...definitely me.tbergs said:
I agree. He did great in that regard, but by the time re-election came along all anyone could think of was taxes and Iraq.Halifax2TheMax said:
His handling of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and its aftermath doesn’t get enough credit.tbergs said:
Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.The Juggler said:
Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....cincybearcat said:
GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long. Even though his policies domestically ended. He wasn't a good politician.tbergs said:
The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.my2hands said:
Pretty close? Loltbergs said:
Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bushCM189191 said:
ever.mcgruff10 said:
That was a good joke.CM189191 said:
Most qualified presidential candidate evermy2hands said:
Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidateHalifax2TheMax said:
Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?Jearlpam0925 said:
Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.Jearlpam0925 said:More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked.
Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
Whatever makes you feel better
Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
Why do you think he was 1 and done?
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Well he does love the poorly educated.tbergs said:
I get what you're saying. He's a good public speaker if you never attended school, don't understand English or are deaf. Who knew that there are 60 million plus Americans who fit that criteria...Ledbetterman10 said:
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here.
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I don't know. He organized the greatest coalition in the history of the world and won that war with as little casualties as possible...tbergs said:
Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.The Juggler said:
Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....cincybearcat said:
GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long. Even though his policies domestically ended. He wasn't a good politician.tbergs said:
The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.my2hands said:
Pretty close? Loltbergs said:
Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bushCM189191 said:
ever.mcgruff10 said:
That was a good joke.CM189191 said:
Most qualified presidential candidate evermy2hands said:
Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidateHalifax2TheMax said:
Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?Jearlpam0925 said:
Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.Jearlpam0925 said:More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked.
Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
Whatever makes you feel better
Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
Why do you think he was 1 and done?
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Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.Ledbetterman10 said:
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here.
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Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills.PJ_Soul said:
Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.Ledbetterman10 said:
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here.
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Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills.PJ_Soul said:
Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.Ledbetterman10 said:
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here.
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Nor did he escalate the war. Got the job done and got out.The Juggler said:
I don't know. He organized the greatest coalition in the history of the world and won that war with as little casualties as possible...tbergs said:
Yes, agreed. He burned his voting base, which it seems may have been the right thing to do for the country. Something that Trump has made clear he is not going to do. GHWB was involved in a lot of shit in his day as well and I think a lot of it was catching up to him and he changed his positions to become VP to begin with. I don't want to derail this too much, but I would not say he was terrific on foreign policy simply for how he handled Saddam Hussein and the whole Iraq situation. Terrible. Overall, he did some great things, but also had his skeletons and deservedly was voted out after 1 term.The Juggler said:
Although him going against the republican grain and increasing taxes spurred an economic boom after he left office....cincybearcat said:
GHWB was 1 and done because while he was terrific at foreign policy, he ignored domestic too long. Even though his policies domestically ended. He wasn't a good politician.tbergs said:
The only problem wrong with that comparison is that he was actually elected and wasn't that good of a candidate, but who the hell wanted Dukakis? There's a reason GHWB was 1 term and done. Hillary probably would have been the same, just like Trump should be, but we tend to hand out 2 terms like candy these days.my2hands said:
Pretty close? Loltbergs said:
Maybe your dislike of Hillary is clouding your thinking here, but how was she not the most qualified to be president ever? The people you listed don't even come close when it comes to political career resume leading up to being president.mcgruff10 said:
Lol. Henry clay, john McCain, George h bushCM189191 said:
ever.mcgruff10 said:
That was a good joke.CM189191 said:
Most qualified presidential candidate evermy2hands said:
Or Dems didn't convince blacks and union households to vote for their shitty candidateHalifax2TheMax said:
Whatever? An American election was swayed by Russian influence, most likely in knowing coordination with Team Trump Treason. And the question remains, why? What does putin on the ritz have over Team Trump Treason?Jearlpam0925 said:
Whatever - no excuses. Dems should be able to make up that 90k of voters regardless.Halifax2TheMax said:
Or stop being influenced by Putin on the ritz and think critically.Jearlpam0925 said:More accurately the blind R's detached from Nixon when the audio tape leaked.
Less than the population of a college football stadium made the difference. Dems need to work harder this time around - simple as that.
I believe people are in denial about the power of social media and too embarrassed to admit that they fell for it, whether it was they thought they could vote from their phone or that Hillary gave birth to alien babies. Voters need to smarten the fuck up.
Whatever makes you feel better
Edit - I guess GHWB is pretty close.
Why do you think he was 1 and done?
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And he’s incapable of change. Or compromise.PJ_Soul said:
Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills.PJ_Soul said:
Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.Ledbetterman10 said:
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here.
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I don't think the democrats have any good challengers.PJ_Soul said:
Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills.PJ_Soul said:
Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.Ledbetterman10 said:
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here.
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Still too early.Ledbetterman10 said:
I don't think the democrats have any good challengers.PJ_Soul said:
Why in the world do you think he reelection is likely? And dude, come on, Trump's brain is consistently just unraveling. He's not going to be more coherent the older he gets, lol.Ledbetterman10 said:
Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills.PJ_Soul said:
Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.Ledbetterman10 said:
That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?Halifax2TheMax said:
I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.Ledbetterman10 said:It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of.
Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that.
So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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