Donald Trump

Jearlpam0925 said:

I gotta ask - is F1 for "Team Trump Treason" and F2 for "putin on the ritz"? Are these programmed in at this point?

Halifax2TheMax said:

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PJ_Soul said:

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OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

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Ledbetterman10 said:

It doesn't even matter who's "qualified" for the job. Look at Clinton in '92, Obama in '08, and Trump in '16. They were all less "qualified" than their opponents. But they were all good public-speakers and they type of people that voters can become a "fan" of. 

I would never consider Team Trump Treason a "good" public speaker. He'd lose a 5th grade debate.

That depends. Is he going against the most qualified debater in the history of the 5th grade?

Joking aside, the guy convinced half the country that he should be the President despite being arguably the worst guy ever for the job. That's being a good public speaker. You or I may laugh at lines like "We have delivered on more promises than we've even promised!" but others are buying lines like that. 

So he's a good public-speaker in the same way Hitler was is what I'm trying to say here. 

Hitler was coherent, so was a MUCH better public speaker than Trump. Trump just babbles nonsensically most of the time - the transcripts of his speeches are barely understandable, because he rarely actually gets a full sentence out of his mouth. I think calling him a good public speaker on any level is ludicrous. The only reason some people respond to him speaking is because he uses hate and anger and smugness and lies and always establishes the "us vs them", and the people who respond positively are hateful and angry and smug and don't care about facts and love to have enemies. His presentation (and lack of coherency) has nothing to do with anything.

Well he has (likely) six more years as President to work on improving his public speaking skills. 

There's no reason to think he'll get better.  He's over 70...he is what he is.  When he leaves office, assuming he lives that long, he'll be, what, like 78?...I highly doubt he'll be good at it at that time.

He can only get worse from here, and any clearheaded person knows it.

My goodness I can't believe you guys are taking that "improving his public speaking skills" line seriously. It was just a throwaway line at the end of a sentence suggesting he'll be reelected. Jeez rather than saying Clinton, Obama, and Trump had good public-speaking skills, I should have just said they know how to get people to show up for rallies. 

I'm not sure how we're supposed to know what a "throwaway comment" might be.

In any case, suggesting he'll be reelected is a pretty big comment in and of itself, for public speaking or anything else. I think this theory needs to be thoroughly discussed, because the implications of such a statement are MASSIVE.

Well because of course his public-speaking isn't going to improve. He's just a performer and he performs his "greatest hits" at his rallies.

But as for suggesting he'll be re-elected, yes, that I do actually believe. I say that because traditionally, every challenger to the presidency usually campaigns on the basis of "Here's everything the current President has done wrong." A sound-enough strategy. But as we saw in 2016, the rules don't apply to Trump. They just don't. Like him not revealing his tax information. Can you imagine if Mitt Romney had refused that in 2012? His candidacy would be over right there. Not Trump for some reason. So I fear more of the same in the 2020. Some Democrat playing proper politics like Hillary and bringing up all the problems with his presidency, and he'll reply with something like "Yeah well you're a big, fat loser," and people will laugh and his poll numbers will go up. A strange time we're living in. 

Are you discounting the Russia investigation? Do you really think a year or six months of Team Trump Treason being associated with putin on the ritz and doing his bidding, disparagement of NATO and the UN and our European allies, the government shutdown, etc. will be ignored by voters, particularly in debates? A "green New Deal" can resonate as will healthcare reform, folks are realizing the negative effects of overturning Obamacare and not offering an alternative, and education, income disparity and other meat and potato dem issues. His base is not enough this time around as dems are energized and indies aren't going to be fooled again. Biden will eat Team trump Treason's lunch during a debate and on the campaign trail. And if I'm running any congressional campaigns, I'm associating every repub candidate to Team Trump Treason, joining them at the hip.

OnWis97 said:

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Edit because quoting and "drafts" on this site suck. Half of my response to PJ_Soul got cut off. Lame. 

Yeah, I hate that, it's so frustrating!

Anyway, I've made clear that kind of assuming that he'll get reelected isn't justified and is also a disturbing way of thinking. However, as I've said many times before, I will NEVER again just assume such a thing couldn't happen, like so many of us did back in 2015, when the idea of Trump being President was still basically a total joke that The Simpsons made up, and an impossibility in real life. I just think that those who are acting like it's almost an inevitability (even to the point of writing off all Democratic candidates before anyone has even campaigned) are ignoring a whole lot of reality, and have maybe forgotten that rational thought in America is still a thing, even though sometimes it feels like it isn't, lol.

I think the only people who are calling it inevitable are his supporters.

But I think it's in the 50/50 range

PJ_Soul said:

He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.

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OnWis97 said:

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He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.

When you're a billionaire your entire life, you get a bit detached from the day-to-day norms of the rest of us. 

Working class hero; has never mowed a lawn.

Well to be fair, these days most working class people can't afford a detached home, so definitely wouldn't be mowing a lawn, lol.

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

OnWis97 said:

PJ_Soul said:

He also thinks that they ID you when you buy groceries .... His idea of what the grocery store is like is absolutely bizarre, lol. I'm trying think of what business he is using as a template.... I guess banks? He thinks grocery stores are like banks? But small town banks, from the 1930s midwest, lol.

When you're a billionaire your entire life, you get a bit detached from the day-to-day norms of the rest of us. 

Working class hero; has never mowed a lawn.

Well to be fair, these days most working class people can't afford a detached home, so definitely wouldn't be mowing a lawn, lol.

Haha, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Trump voters had a higher rate of home oeownersh than Clinton voters though.
Property is cheap in American opioid towns.

You can buy a house for 15,000$ in some of these towns.

Where can you buy a house for 15k? Even if you could buy that cheap I m guessing you’d have to go to the studs.