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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,554
    Tiki said:
    ^jesus, man.  Try to be civil.

    i know I’ve never not served someone in any of my places regardless of what they ordered or looked like. Politics has no place in food, everyone eats regardless of their personal views.   Leave it for Twitter and the newsroom and the courts, people shouldn’t be harassed while living their private lives.
    What's the difference between what happened to her and gays trying to buy a wedding cake?  

    INTOLERANCE based on anything (other acting like a COMPLETE IDIOT) is unacceptable.   Suck it up snowflake.  Life is unfair.  You had your turn.

    Clamping down on the POOR and DISADVANTAGED by LYING right to their faces?  By making it all about COUNTRY?  Borderlines?  One against the other? That shit is stupid and sad.  Played out as well.

    VOTE
    There’s no difference, both should have been served in my opinion.
    It’s good the law makes a distinction. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    PJ_Soul said:
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Can our resident Trump interpreters (the ones who get all his 'jokes') explain what The Aura is?
    He mentioned it in his attack on Harley Davidson, who are struggling with his inept economics policies, and the capitalisation confuses me.
    Is it like 'The Secret'?
    Yea, wrap your mind around that one. Team Trump Treason Willy billy imposed tariffs and the EU replies in kind. Harley Davidson reacts by moving some operations oversees to remain competitive. Team Trump Treason threatens them with the biggest taxes they’ve ever seen and belittles them for being weak. It’s like Donny Jr. ate more than half of Eric’s ice cream because Team Trump Treason made them split a scoop when he’s got 60 gallons in the freezer and when Eric complained, Team Trump Treason whooped his ass for defying his logic. What a fucking nightmare. Harley riders should parade to DC and surround the White House and rev their engines 24/7 for a few weeks. Do the same at Team Trump Treasons hotels. This guy really needs a smack in the mouth. Hello, Pompeo? Not that I advocate that but I think it may very well be the only thing that will register with him and get his attention.
    Please stop saying "Team Trump Treason." You sound like Trump himself when refers to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" or Cruz as "Lyin' Ted."
    No, no I won’t. Not until Team Trump Treason is impeached, voted out of office or resigns. He’s not fit to serve in the office of the presidency. In fact, he’s not fit to serve anyone at a Taco Bell. Buh, buh, buh Hillary!
    I'm beginning to believe he will never be impeached (and he will never resign). the democrats have proven themselves to be spineless pussies for the last few years. 
    I'm not sure what the Dems have to do with it. The other Republicans are the ones who have proven themselves spineless pussies.
    I've been reading quite a lot of articles and opinion pieces lately that are saying the dems need to grow some balls and start standing up for what's right, instead of the "let's be civil" stuff. I agree with "let's be civil", I think even yesterday I said something similar on here, but it's clearly not working. The low road is the one that keeps winning. 

    how do you combat that without fighting the same way? it failed in 2016, and it continues to fail in 2018. 

    Everything they've done has been reactionary. and when all you do is react,  your opponent remains ahead. 

    do I agree with Maxine waters? No. even though she has now said she was not encouraging violence, the message remains. You put something like that out there, and people will respond in ways you didn't anticipate. 

    But maybe she's onto something. 
    Frankly, I think one's opinion on whether all this shit should be met on the high road or the low road depends on one's current mood that day, lol.
    How do you fight it? Well... when doing my best to think about it objectively, I don't really think you do. I'm not convince there is any good way for the Dems to confront this kind of craziness effectively or even close to effectively. It's horrible having to solution to something, but I'm starting to think there really is no solution, other than the American public fucking pulling its shit together. I'm not terribly confident that they can do that, which is why I think this may be clearly marked as the beginning of America's decline in the history books. But I do hope they can do it. I hope America somehow reaches a new age of reason or enlightenment or something... I just don't know how. Given the circumstances, the Dems aren't going to be able to pull it off no matter how hard they try.
    this is pretty much exactly where I'm at. 
    Totally, me too.
    yesterday I was all "they go low, we go high"
    today I'm "fucking kick them in the neck!"
    :lol:



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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Can our resident Trump interpreters (the ones who get all his 'jokes') explain what The Aura is?
    He mentioned it in his attack on Harley Davidson, who are struggling with his inept economics policies, and the capitalisation confuses me.
    Is it like 'The Secret'?
    Yea, wrap your mind around that one. Team Trump Treason Willy billy imposed tariffs and the EU replies in kind. Harley Davidson reacts by moving some operations oversees to remain competitive. Team Trump Treason threatens them with the biggest taxes they’ve ever seen and belittles them for being weak. It’s like Donny Jr. ate more than half of Eric’s ice cream because Team Trump Treason made them split a scoop when he’s got 60 gallons in the freezer and when Eric complained, Team Trump Treason whooped his ass for defying his logic. What a fucking nightmare. Harley riders should parade to DC and surround the White House and rev their engines 24/7 for a few weeks. Do the same at Team Trump Treasons hotels. This guy really needs a smack in the mouth. Hello, Pompeo? Not that I advocate that but I think it may very well be the only thing that will register with him and get his attention.
    Please stop saying "Team Trump Treason." You sound like Trump himself when refers to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" or Cruz as "Lyin' Ted."
    No, no I won’t. Not until Team Trump Treason is impeached, voted out of office or resigns. He’s not fit to serve in the office of the presidency. In fact, he’s not fit to serve anyone at a Taco Bell. Buh, buh, buh Hillary!
    I think he's way more likely to be re-elected than to resign (will never happen) or impeached (possible but unlikely). The democrats better have a great strategy to beat him because simply trying to point out how bad he is isn't going to work (like Kerry tried against Bush). I assume that most of his voters feel he's done alright. I doubt he's gaining much new support, but the democrats probably aren't either. I guess the mid-terms will give us a better idea of that. But the democrats really need someone that people can get excited for. They had that in Bernie, but he wasn't their chosen one. 

    I don't get the "Buh buh buh Hillary" thing. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Can our resident Trump interpreters (the ones who get all his 'jokes') explain what The Aura is?
    He mentioned it in his attack on Harley Davidson, who are struggling with his inept economics policies, and the capitalisation confuses me.
    Is it like 'The Secret'?
    Yea, wrap your mind around that one. Team Trump Treason Willy billy imposed tariffs and the EU replies in kind. Harley Davidson reacts by moving some operations oversees to remain competitive. Team Trump Treason threatens them with the biggest taxes they’ve ever seen and belittles them for being weak. It’s like Donny Jr. ate more than half of Eric’s ice cream because Team Trump Treason made them split a scoop when he’s got 60 gallons in the freezer and when Eric complained, Team Trump Treason whooped his ass for defying his logic. What a fucking nightmare. Harley riders should parade to DC and surround the White House and rev their engines 24/7 for a few weeks. Do the same at Team Trump Treasons hotels. This guy really needs a smack in the mouth. Hello, Pompeo? Not that I advocate that but I think it may very well be the only thing that will register with him and get his attention.
    Please stop saying "Team Trump Treason." You sound like Trump himself when refers to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" or Cruz as "Lyin' Ted."
    No, no I won’t. Not until Team Trump Treason is impeached, voted out of office or resigns. He’s not fit to serve in the office of the presidency. In fact, he’s not fit to serve anyone at a Taco Bell. Buh, buh, buh Hillary!
    I think he's way more likely to be re-elected than to resign (will never happen) or impeached (possible but unlikely). The democrats better have a great strategy to beat him because simply trying to point out how bad he is isn't going to work (like Kerry tried against Bush). I assume that most of his voters feel he's done alright. I doubt he's gaining much new support, but the democrats probably aren't either. I guess the mid-terms will give us a better idea of that. But the democrats really need someone that people can get excited for. They had that in Bernie, but he wasn't their chosen one. 

    I don't get the "Buh buh buh Hillary" thing. 
    Because what Team Trump Treason calls Hillary has no relevance to Team Mueller’s investigation and impending charges that will eventually lead to impeachment proceedings. So until Team Trump Treason is removed from office or completely cleared by Tesm Mueller, he’s Triple T or T Cubed or TTT or Team Trump Treason to me. He’s brought this on himself and it’s not some made up born in Kenya shit.
     
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  • Vedd Hedd
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    I love the rationale that democrats have to be civil to people who are empowering:
    White Supremacy
    Nationalism
    Isolationism
    Homophobia
    Nuclear Threats
    Kidnapping
    Threatening to suspend due process
    Enabling people to discriminate
    Gerrymandering


    Yeah....Democrats are so rude when they speak up in disagreement with those things. 


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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    benjs said:
    Has anyone else seen David Cross' new Red Hats?



    The one on top apparently translates to Putin's Bitch.

    Tiki said:
    I would have zero problem shaming the shit out of ANY member of team Trump that I would encounter, any where and anytime.
    You don't wan't people mad at you?   Stop checking your text messages while you're driving this country off a cliff. Come up with better ideas, stupid. 

    What's the difference between what happened to her and gays trying to buy a wedding cake?  

    When I saw Maxine Walters last year out side of the US Capitol Building as she was walking to work, I told her that she was doing an amazing job and to keep up the good work.  When the redhats see her, I can fucking guarantee they aren't civil.  Subhuman pukes.

    Fight, that's what I say.  VOTE.
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    edited June 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I have the problem of having great disdain for people that vote for conservatives and hold conservative views.
    I wish I could still love these people.
    What conservative views do you hate?
    Anti gay marriage.
    Anti abortion.
    No sex before marriage.
    Not allowing divorce.
    Patriarchy.
    Pretty much Christian values being enforced on non-religious people

    Read your arguement. You made a bigoted statement. You did the very thing you say you're against. 
    Oh yeah, how's that?
    Answer my question.
    He is suggesting that you are bigoted because you have a great disdain for people that are conservative... because he doesn't understand the meaning of bigoted.
    there are reasonable conservatives out there.  Trump and Trumpism is a different thing.  Its basically "know-nothingism".
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited June 2018
    Vedd Hedd said:
    I love the rationale that democrats have to be civil to people who are empowering:
    White Supremacy
    Nationalism
    Isolationism
    Homophobia
    Nuclear Threats
    Kidnapping
    Threatening to suspend due process
    Enabling people to discriminate
    Gerrymandering


    Yeah....Democrats are so rude when they speak up in disagreement with those things. 


    Speaking up in disagreement and sinking down to their level are not the same thing at all though.
    But on a similar note, there are few things that annoy and infuriate me more when these right-wing nuts try to accuse "liberals" of being intolerant of them, as though being tolerant of their intolerance (re the list above) is 'taking the high road' in their minds. And they accuse them of being to blame for the division in America with that argument. ARGH!
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,192
    edited June 2018
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    Team Trump Treason is slowly circling the bowl. Just. A. Matter. Of. Time. Until he’s flushed.
    Not according to the latest CBS poll.
    Polls have no bearing on criminal proceedings.
    Ha. You're going to keep hanging your hat on something nobody cares about anymore. Mueller ain't going to bring down Trump regardless of what happens to Flynn, Papadopolous, Manafort, Cohen etc. There is a far greater chance that one or more of those cases gets tossed prior to the filing of the Mueller report. The IG confirmed that Comey should have been fired. Obstruction is dead. You're waiting for a christmas present that will never come.
    Hey brother have you read the news today, oh boy! Team Trump Treason’s Paulie Manafortay just lost the case to dismiss his fraud, he blew his mind out on a gold coin, with Un and his master most annoyed. Hey brother, have you read the news today, oh boy! Team Trump Treason is most annoyed!
     
    Yup, they’re going to throw out those cases, hmmmm, hmmmm.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,371
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can our resident Trump interpreters (the ones who get all his 'jokes') explain what The Aura is?
    He mentioned it in his attack on Harley Davidson, who are struggling with his inept economics policies, and the capitalisation confuses me.
    Is it like 'The Secret'?
    Yea, wrap your mind around that one. Team Trump Treason Willy billy imposed tariffs and the EU replies in kind. Harley Davidson reacts by moving some operations oversees to remain competitive. Team Trump Treason threatens them with the biggest taxes they’ve ever seen and belittles them for being weak. It’s like Donny Jr. ate more than half of Eric’s ice cream because Team Trump Treason made them split a scoop when he’s got 60 gallons in the freezer and when Eric complained, Team Trump Treason whooped his ass for defying his logic. What a fucking nightmare. Harley riders should parade to DC and surround the White House and rev their engines 24/7 for a few weeks. Do the same at Team Trump Treasons hotels. This guy really needs a smack in the mouth. Hello, Pompeo? Not that I advocate that but I think it may very well be the only thing that will register with him and get his attention.
    Please stop saying "Team Trump Treason." You sound like Trump himself when refers to Hillary as "Crooked Hillary" or Cruz as "Lyin' Ted."
    No, no I won’t. Not until Team Trump Treason is impeached, voted out of office or resigns. He’s not fit to serve in the office of the presidency. In fact, he’s not fit to serve anyone at a Taco Bell. Buh, buh, buh Hillary!
    I'm beginning to believe he will never be impeached (and he will never resign). the democrats have proven themselves to be spineless pussies for the last few years. 
    I'm not sure what the Dems have to do with it. The other Republicans are the ones who have proven themselves spineless pussies.
    I've been reading quite a lot of articles and opinion pieces lately that are saying the dems need to grow some balls and start standing up for what's right, instead of the "let's be civil" stuff. I agree with "let's be civil", I think even yesterday I said something similar on here, but it's clearly not working. The low road is the one that keeps winning. 

    how do you combat that without fighting the same way? it failed in 2016, and it continues to fail in 2018. 

    Everything they've done has been reactionary. and when all you do is react,  your opponent remains ahead. 

    do I agree with Maxine waters? No. even though she has now said she was not encouraging violence, the message remains. You put something like that out there, and people will respond in ways you didn't anticipate. 

    But maybe she's onto something. 
    Civil?  Read a few of the comments on here and it's not very civil...

    Anitfa, heard of them?

    You did mention Mrs Waters and I'm sure there is more to follow.

    This calling every republican a racist thing will only make this country uglier.  It's sad and people will defend in doing so.

    I know you didn't call them racists Hugh so don't focus on that.


  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    i always had a hard time writing in block letters.  well done Trump boy, well done!
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

    We Have a Crisis of Democracy, Not Manners

    Last year, the white nationalist Richard Spencer was kicked out of his Virginia gym after another member confronted him and called him a Nazi. This incident did not generate a national round of hand-wringing about the death of tolerance, perhaps because most people tacitly agree that it’s O.K. to shun professional racists.

    It’s a little more complicated when the professional racist is the president of the United States. The norms of our political life require a degree of bipartisan forbearance. But treating members of Donald Trump’s administration as ordinary public officials rather than pariahs does more to normalize bigotry than exercising alongside a white separatist.

    Over the last week, several Trump administration officials and supporters have been publicly shamed. On Friday night, the Trump press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked to leave a farm-to-table restaurant in Lexington, Va. That morning, protesters blasted a recording of sobbing migrant kids outside the home of Kirstjen Nielsen, Trump’s secretary of homeland security.

    A few days before that, Nielsen left an upscale Mexican restaurant near the White House after protesters confronted her, chanting, “If kids don’t eat in peace, you don’t eat in peace!” The Trump adviser Stephen Miller was also yelled at in a Mexican restaurant — someone called him a fascist, though he may not regard that as an insult. The same night that Sanders was denied service, Pam Bondi, Florida’s Trump-supporting attorney general, was heckled outside a movie theater where she’d gone to see a documentary about Mister Rogers. Adding to the furor, Representative Maxine Waters, a California Democrat, urged people to keep jeering at members of Trump’s cabinet when they’re out and about, saying, “You tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere.”

    Naturally, all this has led to lots of pained disapproval from self-appointed guardians of civility. A Washington Post editorial urged the protesters to think about the precedent they are setting. “How hard is it to imagine, for example, people who strongly believe that abortion is murder deciding that judges or other officials who protect abortion rights should not be able to live peaceably with their families?” it asked.

    Of course, this is not hard to imagine at all, since abortion opponents have assassinated abortion providers in their homes and churches, firebombed their clinics and protested at their children’s schools. The Roman Catholic Church has shamed politicians who support abortion rights by denying them communion. The failure to acknowledge this history is a sign of the reflexive false balance that makes it hard for the mainstream media to grapple with the asymmetric extremism of the Republican Party.

    I’m somewhat agnostic on the question of whether publicly rebuking Trump collaborators is tactically smart. It stokes their own sense of victimization, which they feed on. It may alienate some persuadable voters, though this is just a guess. (As we saw in the indignant media reaction to Michelle Wolf’s White House Correspondents’ Association Dinner routine, some pundits project their own concern with Beltway decorum onto swing voters, who generally pay less attention to the newsthan partisans.)

    On the other hand, there’s a moral and psychic cost to participating in the fiction that people who work for Trump are in any sense public servants. I don’t blame staff members at the Virginia restaurant, the Red Hen, for not wanting to help Sanders unwind after a hard week of lying to the public about mass child abuse. Particularly when Sanders’s own administration is fighting to let private businesses discriminate against gay people, who, unlike mendacious press secretaries, are a protected class under many civil rights laws.

    Whether or not you think public shaming should be happening, it’s important to understand why it’s happening. It’s less a result of a breakdown in civility than a breakdown of democracy. Though it’s tiresome to repeat it, Donald Trump eked out his minority victory with help from a hostile foreign power. He has ruled exclusively for his vengeful supporters, who love the way he terrifies, outrages and humiliates their fellow citizens. Trump installed the right-wing Neil Gorsuch in the Supreme Court seat that Republicans stole from Barack Obama. Gorsuch, in turn, has been the fifth vote in decisions on voter roll purges and, on Monday, racial gerrymandering that will further entrench minority rule.

    All over the country, Republican members of Congress have consistently refused to so much as meet with many of the scared, furious citizens they ostensibly represent. A great many of these citizens are working tirelessly to take at least one house of Congress in the midterms — which will require substantially more than 50 percent of total votes, given structural Republican advantages — so that the country’s anti-Trump majority will have some voice in the federal government.

    But unless and until that happens, millions and millions of Americans watch helplessly as the president cages children, dehumanizes immigrants, spurns other democracies, guts health care protections, uses his office to enrich himself and turns public life into a deranged phantasmagoria with his incontinent flood of lies. The civility police might point out that many conservatives hated Obama just as much, but that only demonstrates the limits of content-neutral analysis. The right’s revulsion against a black president targeted by birther conspiracy theories is not the same as the left’s revulsion against a racist president who spread birther conspiracy theories.

    Faced with the unceasing cruelty and degradation of the Trump presidency, liberals have not taken to marching around in public with assault weapons and threatening civil war. I know of no left-wing publication that has followed the example of the right-wing Federalist and run quasi-pornographic fantasies about murdering political enemies. (“Close your eyes and imagine holding someone’s scalp in your hands,” began a recent Federalist article.) Unlike Trump, no Democratic politician I’m aware of has urged his or her followers to beat up opposing demonstrators.

    Instead, some progressive celebrities have said some bad words, and some people have treated administration officials with the sort of public opprobrium due members of any other white nationalist organization. Liberals are using their cultural power against the right because it’s the only power they have left, and people have a desperate need to say, and to hear others say, that what is happening in this country is intolerable.

    Sometimes, their strategies may be poorly conceived. But there’s an abusive sort of victim-blaming in demanding that progressives single-handedly uphold civility, lest the right become even more uncivil in response. As long as our rulers wage war on cosmopolitan culture, they shouldn’t feel entitled to its fruits. If they don’t want to hear from the angry citizens they’re supposed to serve, let them eat at Trump Grill.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/trump-sarah-huckabee-sanders-restaurant-civility.html
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,371
    I can't reply to the above?!?
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I have the problem of having great disdain for people that vote for conservatives and hold conservative views.
    I wish I could still love these people.
    What conservative views do you hate?
    Anti gay marriage.
    Anti abortion.
    No sex before marriage.
    Not allowing divorce.
    Patriarchy.
    Pretty much Christian values being enforced on non-religious people

    Read your arguement. You made a bigoted statement. You did the very thing you say you're against. 
    Oh yeah, how's that?
    Answer my question.
    He is suggesting that you are bigoted because you have a great disdain for people that are conservative... because he doesn't understand the meaning of bigoted.
    Bigoted are those that I have disdain for.
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    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,471
    vaggar99 said:
    i always had a hard time writing in block letters.  well done Trump boy, well done!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNYgDznKa0
    Haha. The third reich is gearing up.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    I love watching Rome burn....

    Pass some marshmallows 
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    vaggar99 said:
    i always had a hard time writing in block letters.  well done Trump boy, well done!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvNYgDznKa0
    Ahhhh the right wingers so tolerant of free speech. 
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    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    A photo op with a dictator


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    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,371
    Faced with the unceasing cruelty and degradation of the Trump presidency, liberals have not taken to marching around in public with assault weapons and threatening civil war. I know of no left-wing publication that has followed the example of the right-wing Federalist and run quasi-pornographic fantasies about murdering political enemies. (“Close your eyes and imagine holding someone’s scalp in your hands,” began a recent Federalist article.) Unlike Trump, no Democratic politician I’m aware of has urged his or her followers to beat up opposing demonstrators.

    I would love for the above to happen.  I'm not sure that liberals own assault weapons though?
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