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I agree Brian, maybe if the country with the largest military actually started closing their foreign basis and scaled back military spending a little and lead by example...brianlux said:
The bottom line, Mace, is you can look to history for reasons to continue warring or you can look to the future for ways to make peace. I choose peace.mace1229 said:
Yes, everyone who graduated high school knows the treaty that ended WWI caused WWII. But by the mid-late 30’s there was no stopping it at that point.brianlux said:
No. WWII could have been avoided. Here's an article that explains that:mace1229 said:
Wow, so if Japan didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor, you’d be okay letting Hitler kill every Jew, gypsy and gay? And that’s just to start, he would have moved on to other ethnicities from there, but as long as America never made the list there’d be no reason for us to stop him? Is that what you’re saying?brianlux said:
No McG, sorry, only 7/8. But then, I suck at math so...mcgruff10 said:
say what? so you agreed with me on only two of these?brianlux said:
Sorry McG but I only agree with maybe 8% of this.mcgruff10 said:IMO:
World war 2: justified
Korea: justified
Cuban Missile Crisis: justified
Vietnam: not justified
Cambodia/Laos: I see why they did it so on the fence
Grenada: justified
Nicaragua: justified
Kuwait/Iraq 91: justified
Rwanda: justified but went in too late
Serbia/Bosnia: justified
Afghanistan: justified
Iraq: not justified
ISIS: justified based on a not justified war
Syria: too soon to tell
No, seriously, only WWII only only partially. The others? No, can't say as I agree. We stick our nose where it doesn't belong. Only reason MAAAAYBE for war is if we are attacked and that only happened sort of in Hawaii (never would have if we hadn't armed HI).
https://www.munplanet.com/articles/interesting-questions/could-world-war-ii-have-been-prevented"Woodrow Wilson’s call to create the League of Nations and its epic failure is a great allegory to explain why WWII exploded. Negligence and indifference from the States involved in the international scene were what prompted turmoil in Europe. A harsh Treaty of Versailles that sunk Germany into debt and economic and social crisis was only allowed by a bunch of countries that weren’t looking forward the future of Europe; or even the world. The policy of isolationism taken by the United States at the end of the war, which emphasized on not intervening in European affairs any more, prevented the United States from joining the League on Nations, weakening it considerably and leading it to its dissolution. With a strong punishment, and no way nations could cooperate as a whole (the League of Nations) the battleground was set for a greater conflict.
As Germany sunk in crisis, other countries started recovering from the wounds of war. This gave Germany an image of an underdeveloped country, or even worse, of a criminal receiving its punishment. Being seen as the enemy, and also being helpless, drove Germany to seek a quick turn table. The conditions created by the International community made the Nazi party so appealing to people. Let’s consider how German society felt after being named the responsible for the worst war ever. If someone told them that Germany is great and shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, they would believe him or her immediately. A nationalistic feeling brewed into a chauvinism that not only praised German race but also scorned any other race. This is why Hitler made it to power. If anyone named Hitler the real problem that caused the WWII, still the International Community’s indifference and indolence are the responsibles. Who else created the conditions for Hitler to rise? It isn’t Germany who put those harsh sanctions to itself.
and plenty of countries go into economic collapse without electing one of the most racist and evil people in history. The treaty is only part to blame. And none of that changes the fact that once hitler took power, that war was justified for the allies.
It's obvious from the last 70 years or so that getting involved/creating more war does not bring peace...
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I doubt China will do any of that.Meltdown99 said:
I agree Brian, maybe if the country with the largest military actually started closing their foreign basis and scaled back military spending a little and lead by example...brianlux said:
The bottom line, Mace, is you can look to history for reasons to continue warring or you can look to the future for ways to make peace. I choose peace.mace1229 said:
Yes, everyone who graduated high school knows the treaty that ended WWI caused WWII. But by the mid-late 30’s there was no stopping it at that point.brianlux said:
No. WWII could have been avoided. Here's an article that explains that:mace1229 said:
Wow, so if Japan didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor, you’d be okay letting Hitler kill every Jew, gypsy and gay? And that’s just to start, he would have moved on to other ethnicities from there, but as long as America never made the list there’d be no reason for us to stop him? Is that what you’re saying?brianlux said:
No McG, sorry, only 7/8. But then, I suck at math so...mcgruff10 said:
say what? so you agreed with me on only two of these?brianlux said:
Sorry McG but I only agree with maybe 8% of this.mcgruff10 said:IMO:
World war 2: justified
Korea: justified
Cuban Missile Crisis: justified
Vietnam: not justified
Cambodia/Laos: I see why they did it so on the fence
Grenada: justified
Nicaragua: justified
Kuwait/Iraq 91: justified
Rwanda: justified but went in too late
Serbia/Bosnia: justified
Afghanistan: justified
Iraq: not justified
ISIS: justified based on a not justified war
Syria: too soon to tell
No, seriously, only WWII only only partially. The others? No, can't say as I agree. We stick our nose where it doesn't belong. Only reason MAAAAYBE for war is if we are attacked and that only happened sort of in Hawaii (never would have if we hadn't armed HI).
https://www.munplanet.com/articles/interesting-questions/could-world-war-ii-have-been-prevented"Woodrow Wilson’s call to create the League of Nations and its epic failure is a great allegory to explain why WWII exploded. Negligence and indifference from the States involved in the international scene were what prompted turmoil in Europe. A harsh Treaty of Versailles that sunk Germany into debt and economic and social crisis was only allowed by a bunch of countries that weren’t looking forward the future of Europe; or even the world. The policy of isolationism taken by the United States at the end of the war, which emphasized on not intervening in European affairs any more, prevented the United States from joining the League on Nations, weakening it considerably and leading it to its dissolution. With a strong punishment, and no way nations could cooperate as a whole (the League of Nations) the battleground was set for a greater conflict.
As Germany sunk in crisis, other countries started recovering from the wounds of war. This gave Germany an image of an underdeveloped country, or even worse, of a criminal receiving its punishment. Being seen as the enemy, and also being helpless, drove Germany to seek a quick turn table. The conditions created by the International community made the Nazi party so appealing to people. Let’s consider how German society felt after being named the responsible for the worst war ever. If someone told them that Germany is great and shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, they would believe him or her immediately. A nationalistic feeling brewed into a chauvinism that not only praised German race but also scorned any other race. This is why Hitler made it to power. If anyone named Hitler the real problem that caused the WWII, still the International Community’s indifference and indolence are the responsibles. Who else created the conditions for Hitler to rise? It isn’t Germany who put those harsh sanctions to itself.
and plenty of countries go into economic collapse without electing one of the most racist and evil people in history. The treaty is only part to blame. And none of that changes the fact that once hitler took power, that war was justified for the allies.
It's obvious from the last 70 years or so that getting involved/creating more war does not bring peace...I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Well said, Meltdown.Meltdown99 said:
I agree Brian, maybe if the country with the largest military actually started closing their foreign basis and scaled back military spending a little and lead by example...brianlux said:
The bottom line, Mace, is you can look to history for reasons to continue warring or you can look to the future for ways to make peace. I choose peace.mace1229 said:
Yes, everyone who graduated high school knows the treaty that ended WWI caused WWII. But by the mid-late 30’s there was no stopping it at that point.brianlux said:
No. WWII could have been avoided. Here's an article that explains that:mace1229 said:
Wow, so if Japan didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor, you’d be okay letting Hitler kill every Jew, gypsy and gay? And that’s just to start, he would have moved on to other ethnicities from there, but as long as America never made the list there’d be no reason for us to stop him? Is that what you’re saying?brianlux said:
No McG, sorry, only 7/8. But then, I suck at math so...mcgruff10 said:
say what? so you agreed with me on only two of these?brianlux said:
Sorry McG but I only agree with maybe 8% of this.mcgruff10 said:IMO:
World war 2: justified
Korea: justified
Cuban Missile Crisis: justified
Vietnam: not justified
Cambodia/Laos: I see why they did it so on the fence
Grenada: justified
Nicaragua: justified
Kuwait/Iraq 91: justified
Rwanda: justified but went in too late
Serbia/Bosnia: justified
Afghanistan: justified
Iraq: not justified
ISIS: justified based on a not justified war
Syria: too soon to tell
No, seriously, only WWII only only partially. The others? No, can't say as I agree. We stick our nose where it doesn't belong. Only reason MAAAAYBE for war is if we are attacked and that only happened sort of in Hawaii (never would have if we hadn't armed HI).
https://www.munplanet.com/articles/interesting-questions/could-world-war-ii-have-been-prevented"Woodrow Wilson’s call to create the League of Nations and its epic failure is a great allegory to explain why WWII exploded. Negligence and indifference from the States involved in the international scene were what prompted turmoil in Europe. A harsh Treaty of Versailles that sunk Germany into debt and economic and social crisis was only allowed by a bunch of countries that weren’t looking forward the future of Europe; or even the world. The policy of isolationism taken by the United States at the end of the war, which emphasized on not intervening in European affairs any more, prevented the United States from joining the League on Nations, weakening it considerably and leading it to its dissolution. With a strong punishment, and no way nations could cooperate as a whole (the League of Nations) the battleground was set for a greater conflict.
As Germany sunk in crisis, other countries started recovering from the wounds of war. This gave Germany an image of an underdeveloped country, or even worse, of a criminal receiving its punishment. Being seen as the enemy, and also being helpless, drove Germany to seek a quick turn table. The conditions created by the International community made the Nazi party so appealing to people. Let’s consider how German society felt after being named the responsible for the worst war ever. If someone told them that Germany is great and shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, they would believe him or her immediately. A nationalistic feeling brewed into a chauvinism that not only praised German race but also scorned any other race. This is why Hitler made it to power. If anyone named Hitler the real problem that caused the WWII, still the International Community’s indifference and indolence are the responsibles. Who else created the conditions for Hitler to rise? It isn’t Germany who put those harsh sanctions to itself.
and plenty of countries go into economic collapse without electing one of the most racist and evil people in history. The treaty is only part to blame. And none of that changes the fact that once hitler took power, that war was justified for the allies.
It's obvious from the last 70 years or so that getting involved/creating more war does not bring peace...
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But we're not China. If that really don't want peace, do we really want to follow their example? Why not set a better example, one that makes more sense, one that might be attractive enough that they will follow it?mcgruff10 said:
I doubt China will do any of that.Meltdown99 said:
I agree Brian, maybe if the country with the largest military actually started closing their foreign basis and scaled back military spending a little and lead by example...brianlux said:
The bottom line, Mace, is you can look to history for reasons to continue warring or you can look to the future for ways to make peace. I choose peace.mace1229 said:
Yes, everyone who graduated high school knows the treaty that ended WWI caused WWII. But by the mid-late 30’s there was no stopping it at that point.brianlux said:
No. WWII could have been avoided. Here's an article that explains that:mace1229 said:
Wow, so if Japan didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor, you’d be okay letting Hitler kill every Jew, gypsy and gay? And that’s just to start, he would have moved on to other ethnicities from there, but as long as America never made the list there’d be no reason for us to stop him? Is that what you’re saying?brianlux said:
No McG, sorry, only 7/8. But then, I suck at math so...mcgruff10 said:
say what? so you agreed with me on only two of these?brianlux said:
Sorry McG but I only agree with maybe 8% of this.mcgruff10 said:IMO:
World war 2: justified
Korea: justified
Cuban Missile Crisis: justified
Vietnam: not justified
Cambodia/Laos: I see why they did it so on the fence
Grenada: justified
Nicaragua: justified
Kuwait/Iraq 91: justified
Rwanda: justified but went in too late
Serbia/Bosnia: justified
Afghanistan: justified
Iraq: not justified
ISIS: justified based on a not justified war
Syria: too soon to tell
No, seriously, only WWII only only partially. The others? No, can't say as I agree. We stick our nose where it doesn't belong. Only reason MAAAAYBE for war is if we are attacked and that only happened sort of in Hawaii (never would have if we hadn't armed HI).
https://www.munplanet.com/articles/interesting-questions/could-world-war-ii-have-been-prevented"Woodrow Wilson’s call to create the League of Nations and its epic failure is a great allegory to explain why WWII exploded. Negligence and indifference from the States involved in the international scene were what prompted turmoil in Europe. A harsh Treaty of Versailles that sunk Germany into debt and economic and social crisis was only allowed by a bunch of countries that weren’t looking forward the future of Europe; or even the world. The policy of isolationism taken by the United States at the end of the war, which emphasized on not intervening in European affairs any more, prevented the United States from joining the League on Nations, weakening it considerably and leading it to its dissolution. With a strong punishment, and no way nations could cooperate as a whole (the League of Nations) the battleground was set for a greater conflict.
As Germany sunk in crisis, other countries started recovering from the wounds of war. This gave Germany an image of an underdeveloped country, or even worse, of a criminal receiving its punishment. Being seen as the enemy, and also being helpless, drove Germany to seek a quick turn table. The conditions created by the International community made the Nazi party so appealing to people. Let’s consider how German society felt after being named the responsible for the worst war ever. If someone told them that Germany is great and shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, they would believe him or her immediately. A nationalistic feeling brewed into a chauvinism that not only praised German race but also scorned any other race. This is why Hitler made it to power. If anyone named Hitler the real problem that caused the WWII, still the International Community’s indifference and indolence are the responsibles. Who else created the conditions for Hitler to rise? It isn’t Germany who put those harsh sanctions to itself.
and plenty of countries go into economic collapse without electing one of the most racist and evil people in history. The treaty is only part to blame. And none of that changes the fact that once hitler took power, that war was justified for the allies.
It's obvious from the last 70 years or so that getting involved/creating more war does not bring peace...
Let's stop making excuses for more war. That has only led us down, down, down into the quagmire of endless, futile war we are in.
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No chemical weapons in Bazrah as of six months ago. And no, it’s not the only thing I took away from the 4 page report. Another thing I took away from it is your reliance upon a report that does not conclusively prove what you continuously state. Chemical weapons are not primarily stored in large quantities and are typically armed just prior to delivery to their target. Chlorine gas is the exception, hence why barrel bombs can be deployed. But I suppose you’ll argue that Assad’s forces have never dropped them. Like any good 3D, the ability to cherry pick one small kernel of “truth” and argue it’s a thread that proves your point, is a great one. See Pizza, Comet, Podesta, Email. You’re being suckered and have lost all objectivity yet only you know the truth.polaris_x said:
seriously!??? ... you read the entire 3 page document and that's what you got?Halifax2TheMax said:
The report does not confirm what you state. In fact, the report states that the Syrian authorities weren’t completely forthcoming with answers to questions posed. See paragraph 10. Further, the report states that further inspections are required to confirm that the 25 of 27 sites remain non functional, inclusive of previously known underground facilities. Are there unknown underground facilities? Do the Russians not have chemical weapons capabilities? No wonder 3D wants you to work with him.polaris_x said:
assuming you are referring to the inspection? ... lots of sources that the barzah research facility was bombed ...Halifax2TheMax said:
source?polaris_x said:So .. we now know this ..
The research facility that was bombed was a cancer research facility ... for those who don't know ... cancer related medicines are part of the sanctions imposed on Syria ... we also know that the OPCW inspected the facility for the 2nd time in November 2017 and said there was no suspicious activity ...
here is the OPCW report on Syria ... search on barzah to find the specific statement from the OPCW
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf
first of all - it most definitely stated what I said ... NO chemical weapons in Bazrah ... sorry to everyone it does not copy and paste well ... if you read section 11 - it clearly states there are no chemical weapons in Bazrah ...
the fact that the Syrian delegation may not have answered fully all questions is subjective on how you interpret it ... also the report states that they verified that 25 of the 27 facilities were in fact destroyed ... the conclusion clearly states it will continue to monitor the 2 remaining and underground sites ... well, they don't need to monitor 1 of the 2 because it's been blown up ...
Sattilite imagery of before and after shows at least two of the complexes as being in agricultural areas and not near dense populations. The US and their allies have weapons systems to destroy chemical weapons with minimized risks to nearby populations. Do I think any of this is right or moral? No. Does that make Assad and Putin nice guys without an agenda? Absolutely not. I suppose you believe the chechens leveled that apartment building in Moscow a decade or so ago? Right?
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brianlux said:
But we're not China. If that really don't want peace, do we really want to follow their example? Why not set a better example, one that makes more sense, one that might be attractive enough that they will follow it?mcgruff10 said:
I doubt China will do any of that.Meltdown99 said:
I agree Brian, maybe if the country with the largest military actually started closing their foreign basis and scaled back military spending a little and lead by example...brianlux said:
The bottom line, Mace, is you can look to history for reasons to continue warring or you can look to the future for ways to make peace. I choose peace.mace1229 said:
Yes, everyone who graduated high school knows the treaty that ended WWI caused WWII. But by the mid-late 30’s there was no stopping it at that point.brianlux said:
No. WWII could have been avoided. Here's an article that explains that:mace1229 said:
Wow, so if Japan didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor, you’d be okay letting Hitler kill every Jew, gypsy and gay? And that’s just to start, he would have moved on to other ethnicities from there, but as long as America never made the list there’d be no reason for us to stop him? Is that what you’re saying?brianlux said:
No McG, sorry, only 7/8. But then, I suck at math so...mcgruff10 said:
say what? so you agreed with me on only two of these?brianlux said:
Sorry McG but I only agree with maybe 8% of this.mcgruff10 said:IMO:
World war 2: justified
Korea: justified
Cuban Missile Crisis: justified
Vietnam: not justified
Cambodia/Laos: I see why they did it so on the fence
Grenada: justified
Nicaragua: justified
Kuwait/Iraq 91: justified
Rwanda: justified but went in too late
Serbia/Bosnia: justified
Afghanistan: justified
Iraq: not justified
ISIS: justified based on a not justified war
Syria: too soon to tell
No, seriously, only WWII only only partially. The others? No, can't say as I agree. We stick our nose where it doesn't belong. Only reason MAAAAYBE for war is if we are attacked and that only happened sort of in Hawaii (never would have if we hadn't armed HI).
https://www.munplanet.com/articles/interesting-questions/could-world-war-ii-have-been-prevented"Woodrow Wilson’s call to create the League of Nations and its epic failure is a great allegory to explain why WWII exploded. Negligence and indifference from the States involved in the international scene were what prompted turmoil in Europe. A harsh Treaty of Versailles that sunk Germany into debt and economic and social crisis was only allowed by a bunch of countries that weren’t looking forward the future of Europe; or even the world. The policy of isolationism taken by the United States at the end of the war, which emphasized on not intervening in European affairs any more, prevented the United States from joining the League on Nations, weakening it considerably and leading it to its dissolution. With a strong punishment, and no way nations could cooperate as a whole (the League of Nations) the battleground was set for a greater conflict.
As Germany sunk in crisis, other countries started recovering from the wounds of war. This gave Germany an image of an underdeveloped country, or even worse, of a criminal receiving its punishment. Being seen as the enemy, and also being helpless, drove Germany to seek a quick turn table. The conditions created by the International community made the Nazi party so appealing to people. Let’s consider how German society felt after being named the responsible for the worst war ever. If someone told them that Germany is great and shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, they would believe him or her immediately. A nationalistic feeling brewed into a chauvinism that not only praised German race but also scorned any other race. This is why Hitler made it to power. If anyone named Hitler the real problem that caused the WWII, still the International Community’s indifference and indolence are the responsibles. Who else created the conditions for Hitler to rise? It isn’t Germany who put those harsh sanctions to itself.
and plenty of countries go into economic collapse without electing one of the most racist and evil people in history. The treaty is only part to blame. And none of that changes the fact that once hitler took power, that war was justified for the allies.
It's obvious from the last 70 years or so that getting involved/creating more war does not bring peace...
Let's stop making excuses for more war. That has only led us down, down, down into the quagmire of endless, futile war we are in.
His point is that there will always be a superpower. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
As brutal as the US has been at times for some countries... I'll take my chances with them running the block versus... oh... say Russia or China.
We're likely on a collision course with a catastrophic war event. It's shitty to think about, but it's more probable than every country laying down their arms and becoming a true global community.
I'd also like to add that the Trump experiment... no... I mean to say 'calamity'... has pushed us closer to that moment versus removing us from it.
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I swear we are related. Good pick up.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:brianlux said:
But we're not China. If that really don't want peace, do we really want to follow their example? Why not set a better example, one that makes more sense, one that might be attractive enough that they will follow it?mcgruff10 said:
I doubt China will do any of that.Meltdown99 said:
I agree Brian, maybe if the country with the largest military actually started closing their foreign basis and scaled back military spending a little and lead by example...brianlux said:
The bottom line, Mace, is you can look to history for reasons to continue warring or you can look to the future for ways to make peace. I choose peace.mace1229 said:
Yes, everyone who graduated high school knows the treaty that ended WWI caused WWII. But by the mid-late 30’s there was no stopping it at that point.brianlux said:
No. WWII could have been avoided. Here's an article that explains that:mace1229 said:
Wow, so if Japan didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor, you’d be okay letting Hitler kill every Jew, gypsy and gay? And that’s just to start, he would have moved on to other ethnicities from there, but as long as America never made the list there’d be no reason for us to stop him? Is that what you’re saying?brianlux said:
No McG, sorry, only 7/8. But then, I suck at math so...mcgruff10 said:
say what? so you agreed with me on only two of these?brianlux said:
Sorry McG but I only agree with maybe 8% of this.mcgruff10 said:IMO:
World war 2: justified
Korea: justified
Cuban Missile Crisis: justified
Vietnam: not justified
Cambodia/Laos: I see why they did it so on the fence
Grenada: justified
Nicaragua: justified
Kuwait/Iraq 91: justified
Rwanda: justified but went in too late
Serbia/Bosnia: justified
Afghanistan: justified
Iraq: not justified
ISIS: justified based on a not justified war
Syria: too soon to tell
No, seriously, only WWII only only partially. The others? No, can't say as I agree. We stick our nose where it doesn't belong. Only reason MAAAAYBE for war is if we are attacked and that only happened sort of in Hawaii (never would have if we hadn't armed HI).
https://www.munplanet.com/articles/interesting-questions/could-world-war-ii-have-been-prevented"Woodrow Wilson’s call to create the League of Nations and its epic failure is a great allegory to explain why WWII exploded. Negligence and indifference from the States involved in the international scene were what prompted turmoil in Europe. A harsh Treaty of Versailles that sunk Germany into debt and economic and social crisis was only allowed by a bunch of countries that weren’t looking forward the future of Europe; or even the world. The policy of isolationism taken by the United States at the end of the war, which emphasized on not intervening in European affairs any more, prevented the United States from joining the League on Nations, weakening it considerably and leading it to its dissolution. With a strong punishment, and no way nations could cooperate as a whole (the League of Nations) the battleground was set for a greater conflict.
As Germany sunk in crisis, other countries started recovering from the wounds of war. This gave Germany an image of an underdeveloped country, or even worse, of a criminal receiving its punishment. Being seen as the enemy, and also being helpless, drove Germany to seek a quick turn table. The conditions created by the International community made the Nazi party so appealing to people. Let’s consider how German society felt after being named the responsible for the worst war ever. If someone told them that Germany is great and shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, they would believe him or her immediately. A nationalistic feeling brewed into a chauvinism that not only praised German race but also scorned any other race. This is why Hitler made it to power. If anyone named Hitler the real problem that caused the WWII, still the International Community’s indifference and indolence are the responsibles. Who else created the conditions for Hitler to rise? It isn’t Germany who put those harsh sanctions to itself.
and plenty of countries go into economic collapse without electing one of the most racist and evil people in history. The treaty is only part to blame. And none of that changes the fact that once hitler took power, that war was justified for the allies.
It's obvious from the last 70 years or so that getting involved/creating more war does not bring peace...
Let's stop making excuses for more war. That has only led us down, down, down into the quagmire of endless, futile war we are in.
His point is that there will always be a superpower. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
As brutal as the US has been at times for some countries... I'll take my chances with them running the block versus... oh... say Russia or China.
We're likely on a collision course with a catastrophic war event. It's shitty to think about, but it's more probable than every country laying down their arms and becoming a true global community.
I'd also like to add that the Trump experiment... no... I mean to say 'calamity'... has pushed us closer to that moment versus removing us from it.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I dont know the legitimacy of this source or article, but it is scary reading.
Expect the worst, hope for the best.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/946497/russia-latest-syria-cyber-war-uk-vladimir-putinSyria attack: Will Russia launch CYBER warfare? Expert says it is IMMINENT
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/946302/World-War-3-Boris-Johnson-Russian-threat-cyberattacks-Syrian-strikes/ampWW3 WARNING: Boris Johnson raises ALARM on Russian REVENGE ATTACK after Syrian strikes
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soo .. no sign of weapons as of November 2017 is not good enough for you?? ... again - you have no proof that Assad dropped chemical weapons ... even general mattis admitted the US gov't has no proof but yet you do!?? ...Halifax2TheMax said:
No chemical weapons in Bazrah as of six months ago. And no, it’s not the only thing I took away from the 4 page report. Another thing I took away from it is your reliance upon a report that does not conclusively prove what you continuously state. Chemical weapons are not primarily stored in large quantities and are typically armed just prior to delivery to their target. Chlorine gas is the exception, hence why barrel bombs can be deployed. But I suppose you’ll argue that Assad’s forces have never dropped them. Like any good 3D, the ability to cherry pick one small kernel of “truth” and argue it’s a thread that proves your point, is a great one. See Pizza, Comet, Podesta, Email. You’re being suckered and have lost all objectivity yet only you know the truth.polaris_x said:
seriously!??? ... you read the entire 3 page document and that's what you got?Halifax2TheMax said:
The report does not confirm what you state. In fact, the report states that the Syrian authorities weren’t completely forthcoming with answers to questions posed. See paragraph 10. Further, the report states that further inspections are required to confirm that the 25 of 27 sites remain non functional, inclusive of previously known underground facilities. Are there unknown underground facilities? Do the Russians not have chemical weapons capabilities? No wonder 3D wants you to work with him.polaris_x said:
assuming you are referring to the inspection? ... lots of sources that the barzah research facility was bombed ...Halifax2TheMax said:
source?polaris_x said:So .. we now know this ..
The research facility that was bombed was a cancer research facility ... for those who don't know ... cancer related medicines are part of the sanctions imposed on Syria ... we also know that the OPCW inspected the facility for the 2nd time in November 2017 and said there was no suspicious activity ...
here is the OPCW report on Syria ... search on barzah to find the specific statement from the OPCW
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf
first of all - it most definitely stated what I said ... NO chemical weapons in Bazrah ... sorry to everyone it does not copy and paste well ... if you read section 11 - it clearly states there are no chemical weapons in Bazrah ...
the fact that the Syrian delegation may not have answered fully all questions is subjective on how you interpret it ... also the report states that they verified that 25 of the 27 facilities were in fact destroyed ... the conclusion clearly states it will continue to monitor the 2 remaining and underground sites ... well, they don't need to monitor 1 of the 2 because it's been blown up ...
Sattilite imagery of before and after shows at least two of the complexes as being in agricultural areas and not near dense populations. The US and their allies have weapons systems to destroy chemical weapons with minimized risks to nearby populations. Do I think any of this is right or moral? No. Does that make Assad and Putin nice guys without an agenda? Absolutely not. I suppose you believe the chechens leveled that apartment building in Moscow a decade or so ago? Right?
here is Bazrah's proximity to population ...
BTW - I don't know what derogatory term 3D is but like I said to the other guy ... it doesn't phase me ... my motivation here is strictly in the interests of the Syrian People ... you've managed over the span of several days not to ingest an iota of information or evidence I've posted ... that's actually pretty amazing to be quite honest ... so, props to you for that ...
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here is a rebuttal to a BBC program that accused the "Assad Regime" of crimes ... for what it's worth BBC took down their documentary Saving Syria's Children because of the work of this investigator ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvjTeuSKTW0
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The fact that people disagree with you is not proof that they haven’t “digested” the information that you post. It just means that they disagree with you.polaris_x said:
soo .. no sign of weapons as of November 2017 is not good enough for you?? ... again - you have no proof that Assad dropped chemical weapons ... even general mattis admitted the US gov't has no proof but yet you do!?? ...Halifax2TheMax said:
No chemical weapons in Bazrah as of six months ago. And no, it’s not the only thing I took away from the 4 page report. Another thing I took away from it is your reliance upon a report that does not conclusively prove what you continuously state. Chemical weapons are not primarily stored in large quantities and are typically armed just prior to delivery to their target. Chlorine gas is the exception, hence why barrel bombs can be deployed. But I suppose you’ll argue that Assad’s forces have never dropped them. Like any good 3D, the ability to cherry pick one small kernel of “truth” and argue it’s a thread that proves your point, is a great one. See Pizza, Comet, Podesta, Email. You’re being suckered and have lost all objectivity yet only you know the truth.polaris_x said:
seriously!??? ... you read the entire 3 page document and that's what you got?Halifax2TheMax said:
The report does not confirm what you state. In fact, the report states that the Syrian authorities weren’t completely forthcoming with answers to questions posed. See paragraph 10. Further, the report states that further inspections are required to confirm that the 25 of 27 sites remain non functional, inclusive of previously known underground facilities. Are there unknown underground facilities? Do the Russians not have chemical weapons capabilities? No wonder 3D wants you to work with him.polaris_x said:
assuming you are referring to the inspection? ... lots of sources that the barzah research facility was bombed ...Halifax2TheMax said:
source?polaris_x said:So .. we now know this ..
The research facility that was bombed was a cancer research facility ... for those who don't know ... cancer related medicines are part of the sanctions imposed on Syria ... we also know that the OPCW inspected the facility for the 2nd time in November 2017 and said there was no suspicious activity ...
here is the OPCW report on Syria ... search on barzah to find the specific statement from the OPCW
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf
first of all - it most definitely stated what I said ... NO chemical weapons in Bazrah ... sorry to everyone it does not copy and paste well ... if you read section 11 - it clearly states there are no chemical weapons in Bazrah ...
the fact that the Syrian delegation may not have answered fully all questions is subjective on how you interpret it ... also the report states that they verified that 25 of the 27 facilities were in fact destroyed ... the conclusion clearly states it will continue to monitor the 2 remaining and underground sites ... well, they don't need to monitor 1 of the 2 because it's been blown up ...
Sattilite imagery of before and after shows at least two of the complexes as being in agricultural areas and not near dense populations. The US and their allies have weapons systems to destroy chemical weapons with minimized risks to nearby populations. Do I think any of this is right or moral? No. Does that make Assad and Putin nice guys without an agenda? Absolutely not. I suppose you believe the chechens leveled that apartment building in Moscow a decade or so ago? Right?
here is Bazrah's proximity to population ...
BTW - I don't know what derogatory term 3D is but like I said to the other guy ... it doesn't phase me ... my motivation here is strictly in the interests of the Syrian People ... you've managed over the span of several days not to ingest an iota of information or evidence I've posted ... that's actually pretty amazing to be quite honest ... so, props to you for that ...my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
uhhh ... that is obvious that they disagree with me ... my point is simply that in order to try and reach consensus on a subject there has to be back and forth about the issues at hand ... calling me a conspiracy theorist or a sucker for russian propaganda does not address the issues ... i've posted quite a few pieces showing that the current narrative in Syria may not be accurate but no one really is addressing those ... they just call my sources shit ...oftenreading said:
The fact that people disagree with you is not proof that they haven’t “digested” the information that you post. It just means that they disagree with you.polaris_x said:
soo .. no sign of weapons as of November 2017 is not good enough for you?? ... again - you have no proof that Assad dropped chemical weapons ... even general mattis admitted the US gov't has no proof but yet you do!?? ...Halifax2TheMax said:
No chemical weapons in Bazrah as of six months ago. And no, it’s not the only thing I took away from the 4 page report. Another thing I took away from it is your reliance upon a report that does not conclusively prove what you continuously state. Chemical weapons are not primarily stored in large quantities and are typically armed just prior to delivery to their target. Chlorine gas is the exception, hence why barrel bombs can be deployed. But I suppose you’ll argue that Assad’s forces have never dropped them. Like any good 3D, the ability to cherry pick one small kernel of “truth” and argue it’s a thread that proves your point, is a great one. See Pizza, Comet, Podesta, Email. You’re being suckered and have lost all objectivity yet only you know the truth.polaris_x said:
seriously!??? ... you read the entire 3 page document and that's what you got?Halifax2TheMax said:
The report does not confirm what you state. In fact, the report states that the Syrian authorities weren’t completely forthcoming with answers to questions posed. See paragraph 10. Further, the report states that further inspections are required to confirm that the 25 of 27 sites remain non functional, inclusive of previously known underground facilities. Are there unknown underground facilities? Do the Russians not have chemical weapons capabilities? No wonder 3D wants you to work with him.polaris_x said:
assuming you are referring to the inspection? ... lots of sources that the barzah research facility was bombed ...Halifax2TheMax said:
source?polaris_x said:So .. we now know this ..
The research facility that was bombed was a cancer research facility ... for those who don't know ... cancer related medicines are part of the sanctions imposed on Syria ... we also know that the OPCW inspected the facility for the 2nd time in November 2017 and said there was no suspicious activity ...
here is the OPCW report on Syria ... search on barzah to find the specific statement from the OPCW
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf
first of all - it most definitely stated what I said ... NO chemical weapons in Bazrah ... sorry to everyone it does not copy and paste well ... if you read section 11 - it clearly states there are no chemical weapons in Bazrah ...
the fact that the Syrian delegation may not have answered fully all questions is subjective on how you interpret it ... also the report states that they verified that 25 of the 27 facilities were in fact destroyed ... the conclusion clearly states it will continue to monitor the 2 remaining and underground sites ... well, they don't need to monitor 1 of the 2 because it's been blown up ...
Sattilite imagery of before and after shows at least two of the complexes as being in agricultural areas and not near dense populations. The US and their allies have weapons systems to destroy chemical weapons with minimized risks to nearby populations. Do I think any of this is right or moral? No. Does that make Assad and Putin nice guys without an agenda? Absolutely not. I suppose you believe the chechens leveled that apartment building in Moscow a decade or so ago? Right?
here is Bazrah's proximity to population ...
BTW - I don't know what derogatory term 3D is but like I said to the other guy ... it doesn't phase me ... my motivation here is strictly in the interests of the Syrian People ... you've managed over the span of several days not to ingest an iota of information or evidence I've posted ... that's actually pretty amazing to be quite honest ... so, props to you for that ...
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I think out of all the home nations Ireland is the most popular and most beautiful country. Irish people are really some of the best souls around.. London is a rubbish dump of hollow souls . I would rather be in ireland/Scotland and wales. Beautiful places. Anyway of topic sorry . Just wanted to apologise for the English.ConorKavanagh said:
I don't really care enough to hate any of them honestly. I was just trying to join in and make the thread a little bit more polemic for a while. Most people I've met from each of the 3 countries have been amazing people whose company I've really enjoyed. Having said that, there was one time that I was in London near Wembley after the football team had just been beaten and almost got killed for being from Ireland. Hmm.mcgruff10 said:You must be Irish lol. Why all the hate?
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
I agree lets stop making excuses for war. People do have the power. Its gone way down the line now but i do believe the young generation are largely anti war. We need to stand up and speak out as a world!brianlux said:
But we're not China. If that really don't want peace, do we really want to follow their example? Why not set a better example, one that makes more sense, one that might be attractive enough that they will follow it?mcgruff10 said:
I doubt China will do any of that.Meltdown99 said:
I agree Brian, maybe if the country with the largest military actually started closing their foreign basis and scaled back military spending a little and lead by example...brianlux said:
The bottom line, Mace, is you can look to history for reasons to continue warring or you can look to the future for ways to make peace. I choose peace.mace1229 said:
Yes, everyone who graduated high school knows the treaty that ended WWI caused WWII. But by the mid-late 30’s there was no stopping it at that point.brianlux said:
No. WWII could have been avoided. Here's an article that explains that:mace1229 said:
Wow, so if Japan didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor, you’d be okay letting Hitler kill every Jew, gypsy and gay? And that’s just to start, he would have moved on to other ethnicities from there, but as long as America never made the list there’d be no reason for us to stop him? Is that what you’re saying?brianlux said:
No McG, sorry, only 7/8. But then, I suck at math so...mcgruff10 said:
say what? so you agreed with me on only two of these?brianlux said:
Sorry McG but I only agree with maybe 8% of this.mcgruff10 said:IMO:
World war 2: justified
Korea: justified
Cuban Missile Crisis: justified
Vietnam: not justified
Cambodia/Laos: I see why they did it so on the fence
Grenada: justified
Nicaragua: justified
Kuwait/Iraq 91: justified
Rwanda: justified but went in too late
Serbia/Bosnia: justified
Afghanistan: justified
Iraq: not justified
ISIS: justified based on a not justified war
Syria: too soon to tell
No, seriously, only WWII only only partially. The others? No, can't say as I agree. We stick our nose where it doesn't belong. Only reason MAAAAYBE for war is if we are attacked and that only happened sort of in Hawaii (never would have if we hadn't armed HI).
https://www.munplanet.com/articles/interesting-questions/could-world-war-ii-have-been-prevented"Woodrow Wilson’s call to create the League of Nations and its epic failure is a great allegory to explain why WWII exploded. Negligence and indifference from the States involved in the international scene were what prompted turmoil in Europe. A harsh Treaty of Versailles that sunk Germany into debt and economic and social crisis was only allowed by a bunch of countries that weren’t looking forward the future of Europe; or even the world. The policy of isolationism taken by the United States at the end of the war, which emphasized on not intervening in European affairs any more, prevented the United States from joining the League on Nations, weakening it considerably and leading it to its dissolution. With a strong punishment, and no way nations could cooperate as a whole (the League of Nations) the battleground was set for a greater conflict.
As Germany sunk in crisis, other countries started recovering from the wounds of war. This gave Germany an image of an underdeveloped country, or even worse, of a criminal receiving its punishment. Being seen as the enemy, and also being helpless, drove Germany to seek a quick turn table. The conditions created by the International community made the Nazi party so appealing to people. Let’s consider how German society felt after being named the responsible for the worst war ever. If someone told them that Germany is great and shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, they would believe him or her immediately. A nationalistic feeling brewed into a chauvinism that not only praised German race but also scorned any other race. This is why Hitler made it to power. If anyone named Hitler the real problem that caused the WWII, still the International Community’s indifference and indolence are the responsibles. Who else created the conditions for Hitler to rise? It isn’t Germany who put those harsh sanctions to itself.
and plenty of countries go into economic collapse without electing one of the most racist and evil people in history. The treaty is only part to blame. And none of that changes the fact that once hitler took power, that war was justified for the allies.
It's obvious from the last 70 years or so that getting involved/creating more war does not bring peace...
Let's stop making excuses for more war. That has only led us down, down, down into the quagmire of endless, futile war we are in.
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
That's very encouraging to hear, Rob. For several years now, I've placed much of my hope on the younger generations. I think they generally understand that peace is their best chance for survival. They also have fewer biases than older generations like mine. They commingle with other races creeds and colors better than those who came before them. They are generally less homophobic, xenophobic and racist than older generations. They are hope personified.lastexitlondon said:
I agree lets stop making excuses for war. People do have the power. Its gone way down the line now but i do believe the young generation are largely anti war. We need to stand up and speak out as a world!brianlux said:
But we're not China. If that really don't want peace, do we really want to follow their example? Why not set a better example, one that makes more sense, one that might be attractive enough that they will follow it?mcgruff10 said:
I doubt China will do any of that.Meltdown99 said:
I agree Brian, maybe if the country with the largest military actually started closing their foreign basis and scaled back military spending a little and lead by example...brianlux said:
The bottom line, Mace, is you can look to history for reasons to continue warring or you can look to the future for ways to make peace. I choose peace.mace1229 said:
Yes, everyone who graduated high school knows the treaty that ended WWI caused WWII. But by the mid-late 30’s there was no stopping it at that point.brianlux said:
No. WWII could have been avoided. Here's an article that explains that:mace1229 said:
Wow, so if Japan didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor, you’d be okay letting Hitler kill every Jew, gypsy and gay? And that’s just to start, he would have moved on to other ethnicities from there, but as long as America never made the list there’d be no reason for us to stop him? Is that what you’re saying?brianlux said:
No McG, sorry, only 7/8. But then, I suck at math so...mcgruff10 said:
say what? so you agreed with me on only two of these?brianlux said:
Sorry McG but I only agree with maybe 8% of this.mcgruff10 said:IMO:
World war 2: justified
Korea: justified
Cuban Missile Crisis: justified
Vietnam: not justified
Cambodia/Laos: I see why they did it so on the fence
Grenada: justified
Nicaragua: justified
Kuwait/Iraq 91: justified
Rwanda: justified but went in too late
Serbia/Bosnia: justified
Afghanistan: justified
Iraq: not justified
ISIS: justified based on a not justified war
Syria: too soon to tell
No, seriously, only WWII only only partially. The others? No, can't say as I agree. We stick our nose where it doesn't belong. Only reason MAAAAYBE for war is if we are attacked and that only happened sort of in Hawaii (never would have if we hadn't armed HI).
https://www.munplanet.com/articles/interesting-questions/could-world-war-ii-have-been-prevented"Woodrow Wilson’s call to create the League of Nations and its epic failure is a great allegory to explain why WWII exploded. Negligence and indifference from the States involved in the international scene were what prompted turmoil in Europe. A harsh Treaty of Versailles that sunk Germany into debt and economic and social crisis was only allowed by a bunch of countries that weren’t looking forward the future of Europe; or even the world. The policy of isolationism taken by the United States at the end of the war, which emphasized on not intervening in European affairs any more, prevented the United States from joining the League on Nations, weakening it considerably and leading it to its dissolution. With a strong punishment, and no way nations could cooperate as a whole (the League of Nations) the battleground was set for a greater conflict.
As Germany sunk in crisis, other countries started recovering from the wounds of war. This gave Germany an image of an underdeveloped country, or even worse, of a criminal receiving its punishment. Being seen as the enemy, and also being helpless, drove Germany to seek a quick turn table. The conditions created by the International community made the Nazi party so appealing to people. Let’s consider how German society felt after being named the responsible for the worst war ever. If someone told them that Germany is great and shouldn’t be treated as a criminal, they would believe him or her immediately. A nationalistic feeling brewed into a chauvinism that not only praised German race but also scorned any other race. This is why Hitler made it to power. If anyone named Hitler the real problem that caused the WWII, still the International Community’s indifference and indolence are the responsibles. Who else created the conditions for Hitler to rise? It isn’t Germany who put those harsh sanctions to itself.
and plenty of countries go into economic collapse without electing one of the most racist and evil people in history. The treaty is only part to blame. And none of that changes the fact that once hitler took power, that war was justified for the allies.
It's obvious from the last 70 years or so that getting involved/creating more war does not bring peace...
Let's stop making excuses for more war. That has only led us down, down, down into the quagmire of endless, futile war we are in.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Exactly and look at the protests against guns against cutting funding here for nurses and many causes. I genuinely think this new generation have the scope and exposure to speak and be seen/heard. I feel good when i speak to my children. They do not have the racist and homophobic undertones that my dad has. Its totally different. That has to produce love and understanding. My kids view on kids being gassed. Is one of utter disgust and disgrace. Whoever gassed them. I don't know. But i hsve faith in my kids generation!
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
Bri the hippies have it correct!
this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -0 -
Isn't that exactly how you started the conversation? Sources are shit? Seems weird to complain about it from others.polaris_x said:
uhhh ... that is obvious that they disagree with me ... my point is simply that in order to try and reach consensus on a subject there has to be back and forth about the issues at hand ... calling me a conspiracy theorist or a sucker for russian propaganda does not address the issues ... i've posted quite a few pieces showing that the current narrative in Syria may not be accurate but no one really is addressing those ... they just call my sources shit ...oftenreading said:
The fact that people disagree with you is not proof that they haven’t “digested” the information that you post. It just means that they disagree with you.polaris_x said:
soo .. no sign of weapons as of November 2017 is not good enough for you?? ... again - you have no proof that Assad dropped chemical weapons ... even general mattis admitted the US gov't has no proof but yet you do!?? ...Halifax2TheMax said:
No chemical weapons in Bazrah as of six months ago. And no, it’s not the only thing I took away from the 4 page report. Another thing I took away from it is your reliance upon a report that does not conclusively prove what you continuously state. Chemical weapons are not primarily stored in large quantities and are typically armed just prior to delivery to their target. Chlorine gas is the exception, hence why barrel bombs can be deployed. But I suppose you’ll argue that Assad’s forces have never dropped them. Like any good 3D, the ability to cherry pick one small kernel of “truth” and argue it’s a thread that proves your point, is a great one. See Pizza, Comet, Podesta, Email. You’re being suckered and have lost all objectivity yet only you know the truth.polaris_x said:
seriously!??? ... you read the entire 3 page document and that's what you got?Halifax2TheMax said:
The report does not confirm what you state. In fact, the report states that the Syrian authorities weren’t completely forthcoming with answers to questions posed. See paragraph 10. Further, the report states that further inspections are required to confirm that the 25 of 27 sites remain non functional, inclusive of previously known underground facilities. Are there unknown underground facilities? Do the Russians not have chemical weapons capabilities? No wonder 3D wants you to work with him.polaris_x said:
assuming you are referring to the inspection? ... lots of sources that the barzah research facility was bombed ...Halifax2TheMax said:
source?polaris_x said:So .. we now know this ..
The research facility that was bombed was a cancer research facility ... for those who don't know ... cancer related medicines are part of the sanctions imposed on Syria ... we also know that the OPCW inspected the facility for the 2nd time in November 2017 and said there was no suspicious activity ...
here is the OPCW report on Syria ... search on barzah to find the specific statement from the OPCW
https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/EC/88/en/ec88dg01_e_.pdf
first of all - it most definitely stated what I said ... NO chemical weapons in Bazrah ... sorry to everyone it does not copy and paste well ... if you read section 11 - it clearly states there are no chemical weapons in Bazrah ...
the fact that the Syrian delegation may not have answered fully all questions is subjective on how you interpret it ... also the report states that they verified that 25 of the 27 facilities were in fact destroyed ... the conclusion clearly states it will continue to monitor the 2 remaining and underground sites ... well, they don't need to monitor 1 of the 2 because it's been blown up ...
Sattilite imagery of before and after shows at least two of the complexes as being in agricultural areas and not near dense populations. The US and their allies have weapons systems to destroy chemical weapons with minimized risks to nearby populations. Do I think any of this is right or moral? No. Does that make Assad and Putin nice guys without an agenda? Absolutely not. I suppose you believe the chechens leveled that apartment building in Moscow a decade or so ago? Right?
here is Bazrah's proximity to population ...
BTW - I don't know what derogatory term 3D is but like I said to the other guy ... it doesn't phase me ... my motivation here is strictly in the interests of the Syrian People ... you've managed over the span of several days not to ingest an iota of information or evidence I've posted ... that's actually pretty amazing to be quite honest ... so, props to you for that ...
I was listening to MSNBC (which I tend to dislike greatly) this morning. They were talking more about whether the US went far enough than whether the US should have done anything at all. Honestly based on the talk I was hearing it wouldn't have been far-fetched if it was on Fox News. Got me thinking...is it because the evidence is so compelling that the US had to do something, or is it the only thing the left/Right can agree on .... bombing...war.
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Polaris, I feel like this was posted for you! A nice summary of the PR campaign.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-15/take-red-pill-history-syrian-false-flags-exposed
Its just a movie none of the child actors and actresses depicted were actually hurt!
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So either the white helmets are a terrorist organization and everything is fake to get public support of bombing, or Assad is a monster using chemical weapons on families.
These are 2 very extreme situations.
I’ve read a bunch from both sides and now I know nothing more and my head hurts
hippiemom = goodness0
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