Jack White/ThirdMan/THE VAULT

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

derbydave said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone been to a show where these phone bags have been used? I'm wondering about the logistics. Doesn't it really slow down entry into the venue? How does that work? Do they lock it for you, or just quickly hand you a bag and you lock it, or what? If every person needs to stop as the staff locked up your phone I can see that taking a long time, what with all the idiots not being ready to do it quickly, stopping to put their phone on silent or whatever the fuck.

I used one of these at a tracy morgan show and it took a whole 2 seconds.  not really a big deal at all.

How did you deal with the parental concerns Mike??

For those that don't know we have five kids so my wife was definitely a little nervous.  However I convinced her that the kids were in good hands since they were divided up between our parents and the show was going to be no more than two hours.  Plus pushing a third beer on her at dinner definitely helped calm her down! lol.

Damn. It must be hard to be a parent these days if technology has made some of them feel like if they CAN be reachable 24/7, they SHOULD be reachable 24/7. It seems like quite a burden to me. I'm glad you managed to talk your wife out of that mindset for the show. I know that there are plenty of uptight parents out there who are absolutely livid about this, lol.

yeah smartphones are such a love/hate relationship to me.  I hate that I sometimes depend on it so much.  Back in the day I used to backpack for a week or two in the backcountry of new hampshire and new mexico without a worry in the world.  Now it's like.....oh my god my phone is at 10% and I need to go to target?! what do I do?!

I don't give a shit about my phone unless my kids are with neither me or my wife. and even then, we had only one phone that only one of us carried for the first 11 years of their lives. I never wanted one. Don't need one except for my kids. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

derbydave said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone been to a show where these phone bags have been used? I'm wondering about the logistics. Doesn't it really slow down entry into the venue? How does that work? Do they lock it for you, or just quickly hand you a bag and you lock it, or what? If every person needs to stop as the staff locked up your phone I can see that taking a long time, what with all the idiots not being ready to do it quickly, stopping to put their phone on silent or whatever the fuck.

I used one of these at a tracy morgan show and it took a whole 2 seconds.  not really a big deal at all.

How did you deal with the parental concerns Mike??

For those that don't know we have five kids so my wife was definitely a little nervous.  However I convinced her that the kids were in good hands since they were divided up between our parents and the show was going to be no more than two hours.  Plus pushing a third beer on her at dinner definitely helped calm her down! lol.

Damn. It must be hard to be a parent these days if technology has made some of them feel like if they CAN be reachable 24/7, they SHOULD be reachable 24/7. It seems like quite a burden to me. I'm glad you managed to talk your wife out of that mindset for the show. I know that there are plenty of uptight parents out there who are absolutely livid about this, lol.

it's really no different than our parents age when they left phone numbers of the restaurant they were going to, the friends' house they were going to be at later, grandma's home number in case blah blah blah. 

if anything, it has given more freedom to not have to map out your entire itinerary beforehand. now it's just "I don't know where we'll be, so just call if you need something, but not to ask if you can have another cookie!". 

Well I guess parents were chill in my neighborhood, because not once did I see mine or hear of others who would leave the number for a restaurant or anything when they went out, and I babysat in the early 90s all the time and I think maybe 25% of those parents would do this (they were also inevitably the parents who had a child lock on the TV and wouldn't allow any junk food in the house, haha). Hell, I think I stopped even having babysitters by the time I was 7 and my sister was 10 or 11. I have seen this behaviour on sitcoms a lot though, lol.

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Horos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Horos said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

JK_Livin said:

Do you get to keep this pouch on you and can you see inside to see if you have a text message? 

That's a great point.  A lot of us have kids and can't just be disconnected for an entire show.  Moving to the designated area sucks because of the GA issue.  I'm going to the Anthem which is basically all GA.  So you leave, your're done and in the back.  I'm not down with this strategy.  

It's amazing that are parents were able to do anything before cell phones...

How did anybody do anything before cell phones?

If you can't be disconnected for a few hours you have no business being there in the first place.

that's a bit harsh. the fact is, we come to rely on the technology that is available to us, and it is marketed in a way that makes you believe you need it. why not have your phone on your hip in case the babysitter has an emergency? that's not "you have no business being there". that's "I have a phone for emergency purposes". emergencies do happen. 

i hate phones at shows. I'm sure any concerned parent would have no issue leaving the venue to check a text. I know I wouldn't. I'm sure you can set a notification from a certain number so you'd know if it's an emergency or not. 

I attended many shows pre cell phone days when my kids were young. Emergencies may arise so I always left them with someone equipped to deal with an emergency. Pretty simple. We all got along fine without access to a phone.

so if one of your kids needs to be taken to the hospital, you'd rather just find out after the show instead of having that information readily available. 

of course we all got along without them. we all get along with everything before it's invented. I got along without a phone until I'm 43 and my kids are 8 and 11. my wife and I would go to shows when we didn't have a phone and my kids were infants (my wife breastfed our first in the parking lot right before an RHCP show when she was 2 months old). but it's nice to have the added security. I'm not taking it out unless I get a call, which, for me, is rare. Even then, I'm just taking it halfway out of my pocket to see who it is. If it's not my parents (looking after my kids), I don't answer it. 

pretty simple. 

Yeah, and it's also simple to walk over to an attendant and get them to take your phone out of the bag if you get a call. I don't really see what difference it makes.

it doesn't. as i already clearly stated. 

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Horos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Horos said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

JK_Livin said:

Do you get to keep this pouch on you and can you see inside to see if you have a text message? 

That's a great point.  A lot of us have kids and can't just be disconnected for an entire show.  Moving to the designated area sucks because of the GA issue.  I'm going to the Anthem which is basically all GA.  So you leave, your're done and in the back.  I'm not down with this strategy.  

It's amazing that are parents were able to do anything before cell phones...

How did anybody do anything before cell phones?

If you can't be disconnected for a few hours you have no business being there in the first place.

that's a bit harsh. the fact is, we come to rely on the technology that is available to us, and it is marketed in a way that makes you believe you need it. why not have your phone on your hip in case the babysitter has an emergency? that's not "you have no business being there". that's "I have a phone for emergency purposes". emergencies do happen. 

i hate phones at shows. I'm sure any concerned parent would have no issue leaving the venue to check a text. I know I wouldn't. I'm sure you can set a notification from a certain number so you'd know if it's an emergency or not. 

I attended many shows pre cell phone days when my kids were young. Emergencies may arise so I always left them with someone equipped to deal with an emergency. Pretty simple. We all got along fine without access to a phone.

so if one of your kids needs to be taken to the hospital, you'd rather just find out after the show instead of having that information readily available. 

of course we all got along without them. we all get along with everything before it's invented. I got along without a phone until I'm 43 and my kids are 8 and 11. my wife and I would go to shows when we didn't have a phone and my kids were infants (my wife breastfed our first in the parking lot right before an RHCP show when she was 2 months old). but it's nice to have the added security. I'm not taking it out unless I get a call, which, for me, is rare. Even then, I'm just taking it halfway out of my pocket to see who it is. If it's not my parents (looking after my kids), I don't answer it. 

pretty simple. 

Yeah, and it's also simple to walk over to an attendant and get them to take your phone out of the bag if you get a call. I don't really see what difference it makes.

it doesn't. as i already clearly stated. 

It sucks when you're in a ga only arena like where I'm going...

That can be problematic or can be a great time.

If the crowd is a little rowdy you can jump right in and push on up and go as you please.

If it's "mind your own space" like a PJ show then it's a pain in the ass...

Does anyone think there will be more US dates added or perhaps another US leg?

I managed to get Vault tix to Minneapolis. I just wish it wasn't a GA only venue.

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

derbydave said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone been to a show where these phone bags have been used? I'm wondering about the logistics. Doesn't it really slow down entry into the venue? How does that work? Do they lock it for you, or just quickly hand you a bag and you lock it, or what? If every person needs to stop as the staff locked up your phone I can see that taking a long time, what with all the idiots not being ready to do it quickly, stopping to put their phone on silent or whatever the fuck.

I used one of these at a tracy morgan show and it took a whole 2 seconds.  not really a big deal at all.

How did you deal with the parental concerns Mike??

For those that don't know we have five kids so my wife was definitely a little nervous.  However I convinced her that the kids were in good hands since they were divided up between our parents and the show was going to be no more than two hours.  Plus pushing a third beer on her at dinner definitely helped calm her down! lol.

Damn. It must be hard to be a parent these days if technology has made some of them feel like if they CAN be reachable 24/7, they SHOULD be reachable 24/7. It seems like quite a burden to me. I'm glad you managed to talk your wife out of that mindset for the show. I know that there are plenty of uptight parents out there who are absolutely livid about this, lol.

it's really no different than our parents age when they left phone numbers of the restaurant they were going to, the friends' house they were going to be at later, grandma's home number in case blah blah blah. 

if anything, it has given more freedom to not have to map out your entire itinerary beforehand. now it's just "I don't know where we'll be, so just call if you need something, but not to ask if you can have another cookie!". 

Well I guess parents were chill in my neighborhood, because not once did I see mine or hear of others who would leave the number for a restaurant or anything when they went out, and I babysat in the early 90s all the time and I think maybe 25% of those parents would do this (they were also inevitably the parents who had a child lock on the TV and wouldn't allow any junk food in the house, haha). Hell, I think I stopped even having babysitters by the time I was 7 and my sister was 10 or 11. I have seen this behaviour on sitcoms a lot though, lol.

um, it's not 'chill' to not leave a number or location where you will be as a parent. that's just plain irresponsible. 

It just isn't what people did back then. I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that pretty much every parent in my neighborhood in the 80s was irresponsible, lol.

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

derbydave said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone been to a show where these phone bags have been used? I'm wondering about the logistics. Doesn't it really slow down entry into the venue? How does that work? Do they lock it for you, or just quickly hand you a bag and you lock it, or what? If every person needs to stop as the staff locked up your phone I can see that taking a long time, what with all the idiots not being ready to do it quickly, stopping to put their phone on silent or whatever the fuck.

I used one of these at a tracy morgan show and it took a whole 2 seconds.  not really a big deal at all.

How did you deal with the parental concerns Mike??

For those that don't know we have five kids so my wife was definitely a little nervous.  However I convinced her that the kids were in good hands since they were divided up between our parents and the show was going to be no more than two hours.  Plus pushing a third beer on her at dinner definitely helped calm her down! lol.

Damn. It must be hard to be a parent these days if technology has made some of them feel like if they CAN be reachable 24/7, they SHOULD be reachable 24/7. It seems like quite a burden to me. I'm glad you managed to talk your wife out of that mindset for the show. I know that there are plenty of uptight parents out there who are absolutely livid about this, lol.

it's really no different than our parents age when they left phone numbers of the restaurant they were going to, the friends' house they were going to be at later, grandma's home number in case blah blah blah. 

if anything, it has given more freedom to not have to map out your entire itinerary beforehand. now it's just "I don't know where we'll be, so just call if you need something, but not to ask if you can have another cookie!". 

Well I guess parents were chill in my neighborhood, because not once did I see mine or hear of others who would leave the number for a restaurant or anything when they went out, and I babysat in the early 90s all the time and I think maybe 25% of those parents would do this (they were also inevitably the parents who had a child lock on the TV and wouldn't allow any junk food in the house, haha). Hell, I think I stopped even having babysitters by the time I was 7 and my sister was 10 or 11. I have seen this behaviour on sitcoms a lot though, lol.

um, it's not 'chill' to not leave a number or location where you will be as a parent. that's just plain irresponsible. 

It just isn't what people did back then. I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that pretty much every parent in my neighborhood in the 80s was irresponsible, lol.

well, actually, yes it is what people did back then, and I'm basing this on what my parents did, and personal knowledge of babysitter girlfriends I had. are you seriously telling me that as an 8 year old you knew the procedures of every parent in your neighbourhood when it came to them leaving their kids in someone else's care? LOL

my parents are/were about as chill as they come, but it's plain common sense to let the babysitter know where you will be when they are looking after your child. they may not have left a number, but they left their location at least. that's not a generational thing. people in the freaking 1800's would have told the barnboy where they were going. 

Yeah, I knew what the parents in my neighborhood were doing - my parents, their friends, my friend's parents, and me as a babysitter later, in the 90s. I guess I know what people did as well as you did, at least (I was the actual babysitter instead of the babysitter's boyfriend, lol). I don't care what people did where you lived, and I don't know why in the hell you care what they did where I lived, but I can assure you that all of these parents weren't bad parents, including my own. It seems your purpose here is to inform me that my parents and all the other parents I knew about were irresponsible, which is completely idiotic.

mrussel1 said:

My dad let me sit on his lap and steer the car down the streets of Cleveland while he smoked cigarettes.  I'm pretty sure that wasn't a good idea. 

My did did that too, and when I got too big for his lap I would steer just by reaching over from the passenger seat. Tons of my friends' dads let them do the same. Me and my sister also regularly rode in the hatchback of his little Honda Civic, lol. Kids used to pile into the back of their parents' pick up trucks and none of their parents particularly cared, many of the older cars the parents drove still didn't even have any seatbelts, bike helmets were for professional cyclists only, kids ran around the neighborhood alone by the age of 5, and the idea of a booster seat for kids in cars didn't even exist. It was just a different time. It doesn't mean they were all shitty parents - the culture was simply different back then.