Donald Trump

Gern Blansten · August 2017

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Remember that time when Trump said he'd have the best government? Remember that? Do you remember? Do you remember how many key appointments haven't been filled? Yea, kinda cool, right? Remember.

https://youtu.be/LeiFF0gvqcc

that was so awful....brought back painful memories of the first time I saw that video. Which was also the last time I saw that video.

tbergs · August 2017

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Remember that time when Trump said he'd have the best government? Remember that? Do you remember? Do you remember how many key appointments haven't been filled? Yea, kinda cool, right? Remember.

https://youtu.be/LeiFF0gvqcc

that was so awful....brought back painful memories of the first time I saw that video. Which was also the last time I saw that video.

I remember seeing it as a 12 year old and feeling violated. I like the song, but the video is weird.

Gern Blansten · August 2017

tbergs said:

Gern Blansten said:

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Remember that time when Trump said he'd have the best government? Remember that? Do you remember? Do you remember how many key appointments haven't been filled? Yea, kinda cool, right? Remember.

https://youtu.be/LeiFF0gvqcc

that was so awful....brought back painful memories of the first time I saw that video. Which was also the last time I saw that video.

I remember seeing it as a 12 year old and feeling violated. I like the song, but the video is weird.

Anytime I hear the song I see the video...can't shake it. There were lots of bad videos back then though.

MayDay10 · August 2017

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

tbergs said:

The Juggler said:

Wow.....Gallup down to 34%?

Still can't believe it's that high. The Republican support is pathetic. How can 3 out of 4 be in favor of him?

Whenever I see those numbers I feel good about my original assertion that Trump's base is ultimately a bunch of greedy rich bastards, dumb fools, or racists. They simply will not change.

If his base was anything but one of the three aforementioned... in other words the 'disenfranchised seeking change' that gets trotted out there as an explanation... they'd be aghast like any other normal human being and those numbers would be skewed in a colossal manner.

The Gallup should be down to 10%. And the Republican party should be taking steps to regenerate themselves and bring credibility to their party. That being said... if it is all about winning... they managed to do it. They caught democrats sleeping at the wheel. This situation is embarrassing for all.

A lot of these people were so dug-in with their consistent hatred for Obama... and also Hillary that there is no going back. Way too invested. Many hated Trump during the primaries, but once he toppled Bush, then Rubio, then Cruz/Kasich, they came home to roost. Where else would they go? But.... "the supreme court nominations" justified electing a dimwit.
A lot of these people have a tribal/team identity with the Republican brand. For some people it makes them feel successful and good about themselves as the Republican brand is about big business. Some people it is a deep rooted distrust of the government and they are too stupid to realize that Republicans are equally as big-government. Some people get a hard-on for the Nationalistic/Militaristic/ultra-fake-patriotic tones. Some people measure success by how mad the 'libs' get. Some is handed down generationally.

There is just no budging with most of them. They would literally eat a shit sandwich is it had an (R) next to it (and they recently did). Democrats have these people too.... but IMO it is much less and people are more apt to thinking pragmatically. For instance.... Im a 'lib'.... unaffiliated.... but I think if someone like Rand or Ron Paul ran (R) on a decent platform, I could easily buy in. I also like Kasich for the most part. People opposite of me are incapable of gray thought or give and take.

The Juggler · August 2017

MayDay10 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

tbergs said:

The Juggler said:

Wow.....Gallup down to 34%?

Still can't believe it's that high. The Republican support is pathetic. How can 3 out of 4 be in favor of him?

Whenever I see those numbers I feel good about my original assertion that Trump's base is ultimately a bunch of greedy rich bastards, dumb fools, or racists. They simply will not change.

If his base was anything but one of the three aforementioned... in other words the 'disenfranchised seeking change' that gets trotted out there as an explanation... they'd be aghast like any other normal human being and those numbers would be skewed in a colossal manner.

The Gallup should be down to 10%. And the Republican party should be taking steps to regenerate themselves and bring credibility to their party. That being said... if it is all about winning... they managed to do it. They caught democrats sleeping at the wheel. This situation is embarrassing for all.

A lot of these people were so dug-in with their consistent hatred for Obama... and also Hillary that there is no going back. Way too invested. Many hated Trump during the primaries, but once he toppled Bush, then Rubio, then Cruz/Kasich, they came home to roost. Where else would they go? But.... "the supreme court nominations" justified electing a dimwit.
A lot of these people have a tribal/team identity with the Republican brand. For some people it makes them feel successful and good about themselves as the Republican brand is about big business. Some people it is a deep rooted distrust of the government and they are too stupid to realize that Republicans are equally as big-government. Some people get a hard-on for the Nationalistic/Militaristic/ultra-fake-patriotic tones. Some people measure success by how mad the 'libs' get. Some is handed down generationally.

There is just no budging with most of them. They would literally eat a shit sandwich is it had an (R) next to it (and they recently did). Democrats have these people too.... but IMO it is much less and people are more apt to thinking pragmatically. For instance.... Im a 'lib'.... unaffiliated.... but I think if someone like Rand or Ron Paul ran (R) on a decent platform, I could easily buy in. I also like Kasich for the most part. People opposite of me are incapable of gray thought or give and take.

Agreed. But also....while it feels like 7 years, its only 7 months and these numbers are already historically low. The longer we go with nothing getting done and the president embarrassing us on a daily basis, the lower these approval figures will go.

OnWis97 · August 2017

The approval rating has bottomed out. There's nobody left that will ever abandon him. A third of the country loves every second of this. And that's why he might win in 2020 and why people like his children or Richard Spencer* may be president some day.

MayDay10 · August 2017

They will keep evaporating, as the more 'central' Republicans jump ship. But very diminished returns at this time. Economy remains good and relative peace-time. Once there are bad reports from Afghanistan (who are like the 85 Bears in vexing superpowers)... and/if the economy recesses a bit, losses will be more pronounced. "Fake news" can only go so far as a platform.

I would say as it is, we could get to 30% approval. Economy recedes, maybe 20s.

We will see what happens with the Mueller investigation too. If its bad, then I could see Congressional Republicans turning on him to salvage the party and many civilians. It could essentially lead to a civil war within the party if they want to primary the 2020 election and/or broach the impeachment conversation.

MayDay10 · August 2017

and this:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/kasich-hickenlooper-2020-unity-ticket/index.html

Personally, I would be on board with this 100%. I hope this happens and this would crumble the 2-party system.... as well as place a good man in the white house

I guess worst case is it collects all the educateds and centrists..... few 'dems' remain to vote along the line... and the uneducated fools will still support the buffoon and he would win the "reality show" by a war of attrition. Maybe jerry the king lawler or freddy krueger can run and spread out the idiot vote

The Juggler · August 2017

OnWis97 said:

The approval rating has bottomed out. There's nobody left that will ever abandon him. A third of the country loves every second of this. And that's why he might win in 2020 and why people like his children or Richard Spencer* may be president some day.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/7-rules-for-reading-trumps-approval-rating/

Proposition No. 2: Be wary of claims that Trump has hit his approval rating ‘floor’ — so far, his numbers have been declining, not holding steady.But let’s not lose sight of the big picture. Despite the relatively small shift after Charlottesville, the overall trend in Trump’s numbers so far has been toward decline. In fact, a simple linear trend line captures most of the variation in his approval ratings so far2Specifically, it captures 87 percent of the variation, based on the coefficient of determination. and implies that his approval ratings are dropping slightly more than 1 percentage point per month.3The chart uses our approval rating calculation for Trump from Jan. 27 (a week after his inauguration) onward. Before Jan. 27, Trump’s approval rating was somewhat erratic from day to day because few pollsters had published completed surveys. If Trump were to continue losing ground at this rate — though he probably won’t (see below) — it would be truly catastrophic for him, as his numbers would fall into the low 20s by midterms.

Image: https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2017/08/silver-approval-08241.png?w=575&h=495&quality=90&strip=info

That’s not to say the daily and weekly fluctuations in Trump’s approval ratings are noise, necessarily. Many of them reflect responses to real news events. Sometimes Trump’s rating will decline for a week or two after a negative news story and then partly recover. But if you repeatedly take one step forward and two steps back, you wind up losing a lot of ground over the long run.

Go Beavers · August 2017

MayDay10 said:

and this:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/kasich-hickenlooper-2020-unity-ticket/index.html

Personally, I would be on board with this 100%. I hope this happens and this would crumble the 2-party system.... as well as place a good man in the white house

I guess worst case is it collects all the educateds and centrists..... few 'dems' remain to vote along the line... and the uneducated fools will still support the buffoon and he would win the "reality show" by a war of attrition.

MayDay10 said:

and this:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/25/politics/kasich-hickenlooper-2020-unity-ticket/index.html

Personally, I would be on board with this 100%. I hope this happens and this would crumble the 2-party system.... as well as place a good man in the white house

I guess worst case is it collects all the educateds and centrists..... few 'dems' remain to vote along the line... and the uneducated fools will still support the buffoon and he would win the "reality show" by a war of attrition.

Being on the Dem ticket would be the only option, otherwise they would pull votes away from whomever the D is and we'll have another idiot Republican president. The electoral system is designed to be two party.

JC29856 · August 2017

OnWis97 said:

The approval rating has bottomed out. There's nobody left that will ever abandon him. A third of the country loves every second of this. And that's why he might win in 2020 and why people like his children or Richard Spencer* may be president some day.

I tend to agree, the ratings have nowhere to go but up. As for 2020, it will be a record turnout but he will lose, bigly.
Im hoping for a rematch!

Go Beavers · August 2017

JC29856 said:

OnWis97 said:

The approval rating has bottomed out. There's nobody left that will ever abandon him. A third of the country loves every second of this. And that's why he might win in 2020 and why people like his children or Richard Spencer* may be president some day.

I tend to agree, the ratings have nowhere to go but up. As for 2020, it will be a record turnout but he will lose, bigly.
Im hoping for a rematch!

Why would 2020 be a record turnout? You might have record Dem turnout if there's an Obama '08 level candidate, but Republicans will have their shame override any excitement about trump/pence.

The Juggler · August 2017

JC29856 said:

OnWis97 said:

The approval rating has bottomed out. There's nobody left that will ever abandon him. A third of the country loves every second of this. And that's why he might win in 2020 and why people like his children or Richard Spencer* may be president some day.

I tend to agree, the ratings have nowhere to go but up. As for 2020, it will be a record turnout but he will lose, bigly.
Im hoping for a rematch!

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/7-rules-for-reading-trumps-approval-rating/

Proposition No. 2: Be wary of claims that Trump has hit his approval rating ‘floor’ — so far, his numbers have been declining, not holding steady.

But let’s not lose sight of the big picture. Despite the relatively small shift after Charlottesville, the overall trend in Trump’s numbers so far has been toward decline. In fact, a simple linear trend line captures most of the variation in his approval ratings so far2

Specifically, it captures 87 percent of the variation, based on the coefficient of determination.

and implies that his approval ratings are dropping slightly more than 1 percentage point per month.3

The chart uses our approval rating calculation for Trump from Jan. 27 (a week after his inauguration) onward. Before Jan. 27, Trump’s approval rating was somewhat erratic from day to day because few pollsters had published completed surveys.

If Trump were to continue losing ground at this rate — though he probably won’t (see below) — it would be truly catastrophic for him, as his numbers would fall into the low 20s by midterms.

That’s not to say the daily and weekly fluctuations in Trump’s approval ratings are noise, necessarily. Many of them reflect responses to real news events. Sometimes Trump’s rating will decline for a week or two after a negative news story and then partly recover. But if you repeatedly take one step forward and two steps back, you wind up losing a lot of ground over the long run.

ledvedderman · August 2017

Someone on here said that in defending Trump's numbers, it allows a path for Richard Spencer to get elected.

Let's just soak that up for a minute. He's literally saying his belief is that Trump and his numbers make a legitimate white supremacist, capable of winning the highest office in our country.

Halifax2TheMax · August 2017

ledvedderman said:

Someone on here said that in defending Trump's numbers, it allows a path for Richard Spencer to get elected.

Let's just soak that up for a minute. He's literally saying his belief is that Trump and his numbers make a legitimate white supremacist, capable of winning the highest office in our country.

Not going to happen nor is Trump getting re-elected. There's a whole lot of buyers remorse out there. And a whole lot of folks who will never admit to voting for Trump. They won't do it again.

oftenreading · August 2017

Halifax2TheMax said:

ledvedderman said:

Someone on here said that in defending Trump's numbers, it allows a path for Richard Spencer to get elected.

Let's just soak that up for a minute. He's literally saying his belief is that Trump and his numbers make a legitimate white supremacist, capable of winning the highest office in our country.

Not going to happen nor is Trump getting re-elected. There's a whole lot of buyers remorse out there. And a whole lot of folks who will never admit to voting for Trump. They won't do it again.

I wish I had that faith. There's also a whole lot of ignorance (and I mean that literally - people who are profoundly ignorant of the situation) and a whole lot of "nyah nyah we beat those snowflakes!", regardless of the damage that "win" is doing to the US.

Bentleyspop · August 2017

ledvedderman said:

Someone on here said that in defending Trump's numbers, it allows a path for Richard Spencer to get elected.

Let's just soak that up for a minute. He's literally saying his belief is that Trump and his numbers make a legitimate white supremacist, capable of winning the highest office in our country.

What is a "legitimate white supremacist"?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2017

Bentleyspop said:

ledvedderman said:

Someone on here said that in defending Trump's numbers, it allows a path for Richard Spencer to get elected.

Let's just soak that up for a minute. He's literally saying his belief is that Trump and his numbers make a legitimate white supremacist, capable of winning the highest office in our country.

What is a "legitimate white supremacist"?

Loud and proud?

ledvedderman · August 2017

Bentleyspop said:

ledvedderman said:

Someone on here said that in defending Trump's numbers, it allows a path for Richard Spencer to get elected.

Let's just soak that up for a minute. He's literally saying his belief is that Trump and his numbers make a legitimate white supremacist, capable of winning the highest office in our country.

What is a "legitimate white supremacist"?

Hard to explain. I see Trump as a guy who dips his toes in the racist pool because he's a moron. He thinks he's pandering to his base. Guys like Spencer and these other guys eat, sleep, and breathe white supremacy. I don't get that from Trump. I think Trump certainly has racist tendencies that he foolishly exposes, but in the most part he's a moron. Maybe being a moron is the dangerous part. It's hard to explain though.

OnWis97 · August 2017

JC29856 said:

OnWis97 said:

The approval rating has bottomed out. There's nobody left that will ever abandon him. A third of the country loves every second of this. And that's why he might win in 2020 and why people like his children or Richard Spencer* may be president some day.

I tend to agree, the ratings have nowhere to go but up. As for 2020, it will be a record turnout but he will lose, bigly.
Im hoping for a rematch!

He might lose. We might get a rematch. But we can't have both.

Donald Trump

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Proposition No. 2: Be wary of claims that Trump has hit his approval rating ‘floor’ — so far, his numbers have been declining, not holding steady.

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