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    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    It begs repeating:

    Trump should come as no surprise to anyone. The anger towards him is somewhat misdirected: the morons that support(ed) this idiot carry the burden of guilt for the mess. To some degree... so does the Democratic Party.

    He is pretty much delivering exactly what people could have expected when they elected him. With that said... I fear he might just be delivering what the people who elected him want. If you read the replies to his tweets... there are more than his fair share of people firmly in his corner. 
    I agree but he still needs to be kept in check just think about it we are closer to some nuclear event happening since the Cuban crisis, that’s alarming..

    It truly is.

    I grew up fearing the Russians were going to nuke us. It never happened. I'm taking a leap of faith that nuclear war is a far-fetched possibility and that the 'talk' is just 'talk'.

    Trump has never been in a fist fight in his life. He thinks he's a tuff guy, but he is not. He talks tuff. He acts tuff. But the truth is... he's soft and weak. His bravado is that of a weird and complex (in a bad way) old man trying to come across as tuff.

    I really want him to step in the ring with Obama. I really want Trump to walk the walk. Get in the ring- tuff guy- and let's see your stuff. Obama would wipe the floor with him if Trump doesn't hit the canvas gasping for air first. It wouldn't be close.

    My gawd there at so many reasons to detest this vile man.
    I think the “red line” debacle has already proved this to be false.
    I'm reading your posts, BS. In all honesty.., they do make me pause for thought. I do think you're giving too much credit where it likely isn't due (time will tell for sure though).

    Inhave to ask you what about my post has been proven false. I'm not sure what you meant.
    Correct me if I’m wrong but you are comparing on who is the “tough guy” between Obama and Trump. I can’t imagine you mean in terms of a physical fight so I assume you are referring to areas of foreign policy. If that’s the case then there is no doubt that Trump, Mattis, Haley etc. have been a lot “tougher” in numerous ways but to provide a specific example Obama’s failure to enforce his “red line” on Syrian use of chemical weapons was seen as a major failure by pretty much everyone. Trump reversed that early on with his bombing of Syria and by removing Obama’s restraints on the military. ISIS has essentially been crushed in about a year and Iranian expansionism is slowly being beaten back with an assist from the sunni states and now the local populace. I don’t expect anybody on here to give Trump credit for any of this...it is far too emotional for many of you...but he reset that tone. He gave Mattis the green light to go to work. He also changed the Obama policy of dealing with Iran, which led to distrust among the Sunnis, to one that was more in line with the Sunnis. This wasn’t a simple switch however. The Sunnis were required to make change which includes putting their own men into battle instead of 100000 Americans, it includes making changes at home which can be seen direcrly on the ground in Saudi Arabia, and it also includes reproachment with Israel which can be seen in terms of both military cooperation and general quiet on Jerusalem. On the North Korean front Trump has moved the world to imposing very stiff sanctions and has got China to take a far more active roll. The North Koreans are currently surrounded by a massive military presence and all of a sudden have made moves on establishing dialogue with the South. All of the above is methodically being done from a position of toughness and dare I say from a position of “craziness”. 
    What and where has “Iranian influence been slowly beaten back?” Are you lazing by the side of the Tigres or Euphrates, Professor? Fuck if you think you know what’s going on, on the street. You, you of all posters, have faith in the Saudis? Really? 100,000 finally doing the bidding of an apartheid state? Really.
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    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    It begs repeating:

    Trump should come as no surprise to anyone. The anger towards him is somewhat misdirected: the morons that support(ed) this idiot carry the burden of guilt for the mess. To some degree... so does the Democratic Party.

    He is pretty much delivering exactly what people could have expected when they elected him. With that said... I fear he might just be delivering what the people who elected him want. If you read the replies to his tweets... there are more than his fair share of people firmly in his corner. 
    I agree but he still needs to be kept in check just think about it we are closer to some nuclear event happening since the Cuban crisis, that’s alarming..

    It truly is.

    I grew up fearing the Russians were going to nuke us. It never happened. I'm taking a leap of faith that nuclear war is a far-fetched possibility and that the 'talk' is just 'talk'.

    Trump has never been in a fist fight in his life. He thinks he's a tuff guy, but he is not. He talks tuff. He acts tuff. But the truth is... he's soft and weak. His bravado is that of a weird and complex (in a bad way) old man trying to come across as tuff.

    I really want him to step in the ring with Obama. I really want Trump to walk the walk. Get in the ring- tuff guy- and let's see your stuff. Obama would wipe the floor with him if Trump doesn't hit the canvas gasping for air first. It wouldn't be close.

    My gawd there at so many reasons to detest this vile man.
    I think the “red line” debacle has already proved this to be false.
    I'm reading your posts, BS. In all honesty.., they do make me pause for thought. I do think you're giving too much credit where it likely isn't due (time will tell for sure though).

    Inhave to ask you what about my post has been proven false. I'm not sure what you meant.
    Correct me if I’m wrong but you are comparing on who is the “tough guy” between Obama and Trump. I can’t imagine you mean in terms of a physical fight so I assume you are referring to areas of foreign policy. If that’s the case then there is no doubt that Trump, Mattis, Haley etc. have been a lot “tougher” in numerous ways but to provide a specific example Obama’s failure to enforce his “red line” on Syrian use of chemical weapons was seen as a major failure by pretty much everyone. Trump reversed that early on with his bombing of Syria and by removing Obama’s restraints on the military. ISIS has essentially been crushed in about a year and Iranian expansionism is slowly being beaten back with an assist from the sunni states and now the local populace. I don’t expect anybody on here to give Trump credit for any of this...it is far too emotional for many of you...but he reset that tone. He gave Mattis the green light to go to work. He also changed the Obama policy of dealing with Iran, which led to distrust among the Sunnis, to one that was more in line with the Sunnis. This wasn’t a simple switch however. The Sunnis were required to make change which includes putting their own men into battle instead of 100000 Americans, it includes making changes at home which can be seen direcrly on the ground in Saudi Arabia, and it also includes reproachment with Israel which can be seen in terms of both military cooperation and general quiet on Jerusalem. On the North Korean front Trump has moved the world to imposing very stiff sanctions and has got China to take a far more active roll. The North Koreans are currently surrounded by a massive military presence and all of a sudden have made moves on establishing dialogue with the South. All of the above is methodically being done from a position of toughness and dare I say from a position of “craziness”. 
    So now we move on to North Korea. Here we are. Nice to see you so non chalantly brush off the failure of the Bush administration as a “bipartisan” failure of policy but now you’re, you Professor, are advocating and heralding more sanctions. Funny, because China and Putin, Putin, Putin, ain’t playing along. Got sanctions? Wondering if there’s any violation of law, Congress having passed sanctions against Russia for meddling, and implementing them? But, I’ve digressed. What, exactly, has NK done other than ask to discuss Olympic participation? Oh, by the way, I bet you love those sanctions on Yemen. You remember them, right? The poorest Muslim nation on earth? Right? You’re Saudi brethren sticking it?
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Embarrassing.
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    BS44325 said:
    Embarrassing.
    Thats all you have? Really?
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    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

    It is all coming to light. Watergate 2.0
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    BS44325 said:
    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

    It is all coming to light. Watergate 2.0
    The conservative tree house? Do you slide when you exit?
     
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    BS44325 said:
    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

    It is all coming to light. Watergate 2.0
    The conservative tree house? Do you slide when you exit?
     
    Pretty quick change of topic, Herr Professor de apartheid state denier.
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,487
    edited January 2018
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    in the previous 8yrs not once did i feel like there could be a nuclear war on any radar and i think it's safe to safe no one here did either ? we're 1 yr into this presidency and the subject comes up everyday in the news , how can anyone say this presidency is stable and the GOP stablishement seems to be ok with it ...
    Were you asleep for 8 years? Do you think the North Koreans became a nuclear nation and expanded their missle technology just this past year? Was a nuclear deal made with Iran because Obama was unconcerned with them becoming a nuclear power? Your head has been in the sand with the nuclear nightmare that has been growing during the past three administrations and now it is on your doorstep. It would be on your doorstep irrespective of who won the last election. The only question is whether Trump continues the bipartisan failures of previous years that only leads to never ending nucleat blackmail or whether he takes a “crazier” approach. In my mind it’s time for crazy. I’m glad that the world thinks he’s a loose cannon. It’s the end of the road and there is nowhere left to kick the can.
    Still peddling doom and gloom Professor? Is that all you have, a dark vision of reality and the future? What “nuclear blackmail” of which you speak?
    I forgot...you are ok if Iran and North Korea have nuclear missles that could hit North America.
    I never said that NK just started their nuclear program ! Just stating that with the fool you do admire we are closer to an event happening than ever before since Cuba there’s only one person with head in the sand it’s you , keep praying PJ plays Israel..
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    DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    It's funny how people like to talk out of both ends of their mouths when It comes to trump
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,306
    It's funny how people like to talk out of both ends of their mouths when It comes to trump
    It is. A conman trying to defend a conman, and failing miserably.

    Not going to work here, were all, like, really smart.
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    why is it that Stephen Miller looks like death?
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,306
    edited January 2018

    Haha! The rat is trying to slither back on to the Titanic. To no surprise the man has no spine or dignity.

    Bannon: I'm sorry


    Exclusive: Battered by the backlash from Michael Wolff's book, Steve Bannon is trying to make amends with the Trump family, providing a statement to Axios that expresses "regret" to President Trump and praises his son, Donald Trump Jr.

    • "Donald Trump, Jr. is both a patriot and a good man. He has been relentless in his advocacy for his father and the agenda that has helped turn our country around."
    • "My support is also unwavering for the president and his agenda — as I have shown daily in my national radio broadcasts, on the pages of Breitbart News and in speeches and appearances from Tokyo and Hong Kong to Arizona and Alabama."
    • "President Trump was the only candidate that could have taken on and defeated the Clinton apparatus. I am the only person to date to conduct a global effort to preach the message of Trump and Trumpism; and remain ready to stand in the breach for this president's efforts to make America great again."
    • "My comments about the meeting with Russian nationals came from my life experiences as a Naval officer stationed aboard a destroyer whose main mission was to hunt Soviet submarines to my time at the Pentagon during the Reagan years when our focus was the defeat of 'the evil empire' and to making films about Reagan's war against the Soviets and Hillary Clinton's involvement in selling uranium to them."
    • "My comments were aimed at Paul Manafort, a seasoned campaign professional with experience and knowledge of how the Russians operate. He should have known they are duplicitous, cunning and not our friends. To reiterate, those comments were not aimed at Don Jr."
    • "Everything I have to say about the ridiculous nature of the Russian 'collusion' investigation I said on my 60 Minutes interview. There was no collusion and the investigation is a witch hunt."
    • "I regret that my delay in responding to the inaccurate reporting regarding Don Jr has diverted attention from the president's historical accomplishments in the first year of his presidency."
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    vaggar99 said:
    why is it that Stephen Miller looks like death?
    State’s witness?
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    BS44325 said:
    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,357
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

    It is all coming to light. Watergate 2.0
    :rofl:
    Seriously. Every time he mentions this as a comparison to Watergate diminishes his credibility. I sometimes find his posts to be somewhat reasonable, but then this garbage.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    tbergs said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

    It is all coming to light. Watergate 2.0
    :rofl:
    Seriously. Every time he mentions this as a comparison to Watergate diminishes his credibility. I sometimes find his posts to be somewhat reasonable, but then this garbage.
    This is the story you have all been avoiding. The intelligence apparatus that you were all so concerned about when Bush was president was then used by Obama to target a political enemy. To paraphrase Peter Strzok...Trump was so awful that an insurance policy was needed. It is all coming to light and it is worse then Watergate. Hatred of Trump blinds you all to the fact that laws were broken. Domestic spying under false pretenses occurred. The garbage is piling up.


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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    BS44325 said:
    Embarrassing.
    Thats all you have? Really?
    Well what more do you want? You’re aimlessly ranting and raving like Trump on twitter while even Obama’s people are approving of the Trump approach. You asked about North Korea? I hope you got a clip of Tom Donilon and Mike Morrell (both from Obama admin) on Face The Nation today:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-tom-donilon-and-mike-morell-on-face-the-nation-jan-7-2018/

    Key quote from Donilon
    “And by the way, we've just started really in a lot of these areas, in the banking, finance, and- and oil, and energy area, and it's having some effect. And I think we saw some of that effect with respect to Kim Jong-un on New Year's Day reaching out to the South for talks.

    I agree with the assessment that it's not likely to lead anywhere fundamentally different at this point. But nonetheless, I think an indication of the pressure.”

    Add that to what Panetta said on Iran and it’s quite clear that serious people in the previous administration recognize the positive steps Trump has taken.

    Like i said...embarrassing.

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    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    Embarrassing.
    Thats all you have? Really?
    Well what more do you want? You’re aimlessly ranting and raving like Trump on twitter while even Obama’s people are approving of the Trump approach. You asked about North Korea? I hope you got a clip of Tom Donilon and Mike Morrell (both from Obama admin) on Face The Nation today:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-tom-donilon-and-mike-morell-on-face-the-nation-jan-7-2018/

    Key quote from Donilon
    “And by the way, we've just started really in a lot of these areas, in the banking, finance, and- and oil, and energy area, and it's having some effect. And I think we saw some of that effect with respect to Kim Jong-un on New Year's Day reaching out to the South for talks.

    I agree with the assessment that it's not likely to lead anywhere fundamentally different at this point. But nonetheless, I think an indication of the pressure.”

    Add that to what Panetta said on Iran and it’s quite clear that serious people in the previous administration recognize the positive steps Trump has taken.

    Like i said...embarrassing.

    You miss a key quote, “it’s not likely to lead to anything fundamentally different.” You still believe China and Russia have US interests at heart. Embarrassing.
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    BS44325 said:
    tbergs said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

    It is all coming to light. Watergate 2.0
    :rofl:
    Seriously. Every time he mentions this as a comparison to Watergate diminishes his credibility. I sometimes find his posts to be somewhat reasonable, but then this garbage.
    This is the story you have all been avoiding. The intelligence apparatus that you were all so concerned about when Bush was president was then used by Obama to target a political enemy. To paraphrase Peter Strzok...Trump was so awful that an insurance policy was needed. It is all coming to light and it is worse then Watergate. Hatred of Trump blinds you all to the fact that laws were broken. Domestic spying under false pretenses occurred. The garbage is piling up.


    Yea, sure it was. I guess you haven’t read the declassified portions of the intelligence report? Nor do you acknowledge that foreign intelligence services brought information regarding Team Trump Treason and Russia to the attention of US intelligence. Or that Papadopoulos was openly bragging about hillary’s Stolen emails in a London bar. Keep believing that neocon false narrative, Professor.
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    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    Embarrassing.
    Thats all you have? Really?
    Well what more do you want? You’re aimlessly ranting and raving like Trump on twitter while even Obama’s people are approving of the Trump approach. You asked about North Korea? I hope you got a clip of Tom Donilon and Mike Morrell (both from Obama admin) on Face The Nation today:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-tom-donilon-and-mike-morell-on-face-the-nation-jan-7-2018/

    Key quote from Donilon
    “And by the way, we've just started really in a lot of these areas, in the banking, finance, and- and oil, and energy area, and it's having some effect. And I think we saw some of that effect with respect to Kim Jong-un on New Year's Day reaching out to the South for talks.

    I agree with the assessment that it's not likely to lead anywhere fundamentally different at this point. But nonetheless, I think an indication of the pressure.”

    Add that to what Panetta said on Iran and it’s quite clear that serious people in the previous administration recognize the positive steps Trump has taken.

    Like i said...embarrassing.

    You miss a key quote, “it’s not likely to lead to anything fundamentally different.” You still believe China and Russia have US interests at heart. Embarrassing.
    Do I believe China and Russia have US interests at heart? Of course not. Never have. You are clearly the Michael Wolff of the AMT. That quote you pulled out above however is important and is why I believe the world is in a very perilous state. I believe you said I was all “doom and gloom” about this and on that you are correct. My stance has been consistent...the world is in grave danger...the status quo was not working...the Trump approach is a hail mary pass that could work but like Donilon I don’t have faith that things will change. All we can do is hope that we have someone who is willing to try. Trump is trying and on a bipartisan basis the people such as Donilon and Morell approve. Please try to follow along. The rest of the AMT is likely bored with things having to be repeated to you again and again.

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 37,020
    edited January 2018
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    Embarrassing.
    Thats all you have? Really?
    Well what more do you want? You’re aimlessly ranting and raving like Trump on twitter while even Obama’s people are approving of the Trump approach. You asked about North Korea? I hope you got a clip of Tom Donilon and Mike Morrell (both from Obama admin) on Face The Nation today:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-tom-donilon-and-mike-morell-on-face-the-nation-jan-7-2018/

    Key quote from Donilon
    “And by the way, we've just started really in a lot of these areas, in the banking, finance, and- and oil, and energy area, and it's having some effect. And I think we saw some of that effect with respect to Kim Jong-un on New Year's Day reaching out to the South for talks.

    I agree with the assessment that it's not likely to lead anywhere fundamentally different at this point. But nonetheless, I think an indication of the pressure.”

    Add that to what Panetta said on Iran and it’s quite clear that serious people in the previous administration recognize the positive steps Trump has taken.

    Like i said...embarrassing.

    You miss a key quote, “it’s not likely to lead to anything fundamentally different.” You still believe China and Russia have US interests at heart. Embarrassing.
    Do I believe China and Russia have US interests at heart? Of course not. Never have. You are clearly the Michael Wolff of the AMT. That quote you pulled out above however is important and is why I believe the world is in a very perilous state. I believe you said I was all “doom and gloom” about this and on that you are correct. My stance has been consistent...the world is in grave danger...the status quo was not working...the Trump approach is a hail mary pass that could work but like Donilon I don’t have faith that things will change. All we can do is hope that we have someone who is willing to try. Trump is trying and on a bipartisan basis the people such as Donilon and Morell approve. Please try to follow along. The rest of the AMT is likely bored with things having to be repeated to you again and again.

    With such a negative view of the world, how do you emerge from your basement. 
    If I’m the Michael Wolff of the AMT, you Professor are certainly the Chicken Little with your years of “the sky is falling” world is in peril schtick. Get a new act, it’s become boring.
     
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    edited January 2018
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    Embarrassing.
    Thats all you have? Really?
    Well what more do you want? You’re aimlessly ranting and raving like Trump on twitter while even Obama’s people are approving of the Trump approach. You asked about North Korea? I hope you got a clip of Tom Donilon and Mike Morrell (both from Obama admin) on Face The Nation today:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-tom-donilon-and-mike-morell-on-face-the-nation-jan-7-2018/

    Key quote from Donilon
    “And by the way, we've just started really in a lot of these areas, in the banking, finance, and- and oil, and energy area, and it's having some effect. And I think we saw some of that effect with respect to Kim Jong-un on New Year's Day reaching out to the South for talks.

    I agree with the assessment that it's not likely to lead anywhere fundamentally different at this point. But nonetheless, I think an indication of the pressure.”

    Add that to what Panetta said on Iran and it’s quite clear that serious people in the previous administration recognize the positive steps Trump has taken.

    Like i said...embarrassing.

    You miss a key quote, “it’s not likely to lead to anything fundamentally different.” You still believe China and Russia have US interests at heart. Embarrassing.
    Do I believe China and Russia have US interests at heart? Of course not. Never have. You are clearly the Michael Wolff of the AMT. That quote you pulled out above however is important and is why I believe the world is in a very perilous state. I believe you said I was all “doom and gloom” about this and on that you are correct. My stance has been consistent...the world is in grave danger...the status quo was not working...the Trump approach is a hail mary pass that could work but like Donilon I don’t have faith that things will change. All we can do is hope that we have someone who is willing to try. Trump is trying and on a bipartisan basis the people such as Donilon and Morell approve. Please try to follow along. The rest of the AMT is likely bored with things having to be repeated to you again and again.

    That’s a bigly confirmation bias waiting to happen. You concluded we’re all doomed, then when it turns out we’re not doomed, you’ll credit trump. 

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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    BS44325 said:
    tbergs said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

    It is all coming to light. Watergate 2.0
    :rofl:
    Seriously. Every time he mentions this as a comparison to Watergate diminishes his credibility. I sometimes find his posts to be somewhat reasonable, but then this garbage.
    This is the story you have all been avoiding. The intelligence apparatus that you were all so concerned about when Bush was president was then used by Obama to target a political enemy. To paraphrase Peter Strzok...Trump was so awful that an insurance policy was needed. It is all coming to light and it is worse then Watergate. Hatred of Trump blinds you all to the fact that laws were broken. Domestic spying under false pretenses occurred. The garbage is piling up.


    Yea, sure it was. I guess you haven’t read the declassified portions of the intelligence report? Nor do you acknowledge that foreign intelligence services brought information regarding Team Trump Treason and Russia to the attention of US intelligence. Or that Papadopoulos was openly bragging about hillary’s Stolen emails in a London bar. Keep believing that neocon false narrative, Professor.
    Ha. You swallow up so much crap I’m surprised you don’t have cholera. What foreign intelligence service do you speak of? Christopher Steeles intelligence? Trustworthy Russian intelligence sources? An Australian overhearing Papadopoulos talk about already public info? If you heard James Clapper last week you would know that Papadopoulos was “not even on his radar” and yet we’re to believe that is the reason why this whole Russian probe began?

    https://youtu.be/Dh-47Q6zEkU

    Not to mention if Papadopoulos was the reason for the investigation then a FISA warrant would have been obtained on him and not Carter Page. It is quite obvious that the DNC funded dossier was used under false pretenses to get the warrant on Page and then was abused to spy on Trump and the transition. The panic among the principles is setting in everywhere and now that congress has access to all the FBI records, employees and Fusion GPS bank records people are trying to downplay your precious dossier and are claiming it was Papadopoulos or “foreign intelligence” sources that triggered the investigation. Your party lied to you Halifax. They lied to all of you. They saw Trump as a threat and compromised their principles to stop him. They abused the intelligence gathering process in a way you all feared the Bush administration would do. It was a crime. You can still hate Trump and recognize that what was done to him was wrong. The swamp is draining.


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    There’s reason without George P’s fat mouth to get a fisa warrant. 
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    Embarrassing.
    Thats all you have? Really?
    Well what more do you want? You’re aimlessly ranting and raving like Trump on twitter while even Obama’s people are approving of the Trump approach. You asked about North Korea? I hope you got a clip of Tom Donilon and Mike Morrell (both from Obama admin) on Face The Nation today:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-tom-donilon-and-mike-morell-on-face-the-nation-jan-7-2018/

    Key quote from Donilon
    “And by the way, we've just started really in a lot of these areas, in the banking, finance, and- and oil, and energy area, and it's having some effect. And I think we saw some of that effect with respect to Kim Jong-un on New Year's Day reaching out to the South for talks.

    I agree with the assessment that it's not likely to lead anywhere fundamentally different at this point. But nonetheless, I think an indication of the pressure.”

    Add that to what Panetta said on Iran and it’s quite clear that serious people in the previous administration recognize the positive steps Trump has taken.

    Like i said...embarrassing.

    You miss a key quote, “it’s not likely to lead to anything fundamentally different.” You still believe China and Russia have US interests at heart. Embarrassing.
    Do I believe China and Russia have US interests at heart? Of course not. Never have. You are clearly the Michael Wolff of the AMT. That quote you pulled out above however is important and is why I believe the world is in a very perilous state. I believe you said I was all “doom and gloom” about this and on that you are correct. My stance has been consistent...the world is in grave danger...the status quo was not working...the Trump approach is a hail mary pass that could work but like Donilon I don’t have faith that things will change. All we can do is hope that we have someone who is willing to try. Trump is trying and on a bipartisan basis the people such as Donilon and Morell approve. Please try to follow along. The rest of the AMT is likely bored with things having to be repeated to you again and again.

    That’s a bigly confirmation bias waiting to happen. You concluded we’re all doomed, then when it turns out we’re not doomed, you’ll credit trump. 

    You don’t appreciate how close the world is to the next world war. This is not a problem of Trump’s making and it is a problem that we would be confronted with regardless of who is president at the moment. 

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/671371/China-President-Xi-Jinping-prepares-army-for-war-USA-North-Korea-WW3-Nuclear-missile-video

    You’re darn right if we somehow manage to escape this pickle I’ll credit Trump. Either way I wouldn’t bet on it.
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    trump is a greater threat than anyone else with nukes, including NK. But be afraid, vote conservative!
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    There’s reason without George P’s fat mouth to get a fisa warrant. 
    And you’ll find out whether that’s true soon enough. You might also find that a misrepresentation may have been made to a FISA court judge. If that’s the case.... ka. Boom.
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    Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 8,747
    BS44325 said:
    There’s reason without George P’s fat mouth to get a fisa warrant. 
    And you’ll find out whether that’s true soon enough. You might also find that a misrepresentation may have been made to a FISA court judge. If that’s the case.... ka. Boom.
    Or I might not, and then you’ll push the next item fed to you by right wing media in an attempt to discredit the investigation. 
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    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    tbergs said:
    rgambs said:
    BS44325 said:
    When the collusion narrative collapses those heavily invested in it fall the hardest.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/01/05/operation-condor-how-nsa-director-mike-rogers-saved-the-u-s-from-a-massive-constitutional-crisis/

    It is all coming to light. Watergate 2.0
    :rofl:
    Seriously. Every time he mentions this as a comparison to Watergate diminishes his credibility. I sometimes find his posts to be somewhat reasonable, but then this garbage.
    This is the story you have all been avoiding. The intelligence apparatus that you were all so concerned about when Bush was president was then used by Obama to target a political enemy. To paraphrase Peter Strzok...Trump was so awful that an insurance policy was needed. It is all coming to light and it is worse then Watergate. Hatred of Trump blinds you all to the fact that laws were broken. Domestic spying under false pretenses occurred. The garbage is piling up.


    Yea, sure it was. I guess you haven’t read the declassified portions of the intelligence report? Nor do you acknowledge that foreign intelligence services brought information regarding Team Trump Treason and Russia to the attention of US intelligence. Or that Papadopoulos was openly bragging about hillary’s Stolen emails in a London bar. Keep believing that neocon false narrative, Professor.
    Ha. You swallow up so much crap I’m surprised you don’t have cholera. What foreign intelligence service do you speak of? Christopher Steeles intelligence? Trustworthy Russian intelligence sources? An Australian overhearing Papadopoulos talk about already public info? If you heard James Clapper last week you would know that Papadopoulos was “not even on his radar” and yet we’re to believe that is the reason why this whole Russian probe began?

    https://youtu.be/Dh-47Q6zEkU

    Not to mention if Papadopoulos was the reason for the investigation then a FISA warrant would have been obtained on him and not Carter Page. It is quite obvious that the DNC funded dossier was used under false pretenses to get the warrant on Page and then was abused to spy on Trump and the transition. The panic among the principles is setting in everywhere and now that congress has access to all the FBI records, employees and Fusion GPS bank records people are trying to downplay your precious dossier and are claiming it was Papadopoulos or “foreign intelligence” sources that triggered the investigation. Your party lied to you Halifax. They lied to all of you. They saw Trump as a threat and compromised their principles to stop him. They abused the intelligence gathering process in a way you all feared the Bush administration would do. It was a crime. You can still hate Trump and recognize that what was done to him was wrong. The swamp is draining.


    How many Obama Administration officials were indicted or otherwise caught up in scandal, Professor? You so want the neocon narrative of the intelligence apparatus being used against political opponents to be true that you suspend reality. You also don’t seem to grasp how FISA warrants work. The only witch hunts are Republican lead witch hunts. Team Mueller is connecting the dots and getting to the bottom of Team Trump Treason’s Russian collusion. I’ve linked the declassified intelligence report and I’m sure you can find it. Team Trump Treason was picked up well before the Dossier was even a wet dream in the repubes establishment, where it was started. It’s okay, you can live in your alternate reality. My money is on Team Mueller.
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    Embarrassing.
    Thats all you have? Really?
    Well what more do you want? You’re aimlessly ranting and raving like Trump on twitter while even Obama’s people are approving of the Trump approach. You asked about North Korea? I hope you got a clip of Tom Donilon and Mike Morrell (both from Obama admin) on Face The Nation today:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/transcript-tom-donilon-and-mike-morell-on-face-the-nation-jan-7-2018/

    Key quote from Donilon
    “And by the way, we've just started really in a lot of these areas, in the banking, finance, and- and oil, and energy area, and it's having some effect. And I think we saw some of that effect with respect to Kim Jong-un on New Year's Day reaching out to the South for talks.

    I agree with the assessment that it's not likely to lead anywhere fundamentally different at this point. But nonetheless, I think an indication of the pressure.”

    Add that to what Panetta said on Iran and it’s quite clear that serious people in the previous administration recognize the positive steps Trump has taken.

    Like i said...embarrassing.

    You miss a key quote, “it’s not likely to lead to anything fundamentally different.” You still believe China and Russia have US interests at heart. Embarrassing.
    Do I believe China and Russia have US interests at heart? Of course not. Never have. You are clearly the Michael Wolff of the AMT. That quote you pulled out above however is important and is why I believe the world is in a very perilous state. I believe you said I was all “doom and gloom” about this and on that you are correct. My stance has been consistent...the world is in grave danger...the status quo was not working...the Trump approach is a hail mary pass that could work but like Donilon I don’t have faith that things will change. All we can do is hope that we have someone who is willing to try. Trump is trying and on a bipartisan basis the people such as Donilon and Morell approve. Please try to follow along. The rest of the AMT is likely bored with things having to be repeated to you again and again.

    That’s a bigly confirmation bias waiting to happen. You concluded we’re all doomed, then when it turns out we’re not doomed, you’ll credit trump. 

    You don’t appreciate how close the world is to the next world war. This is not a problem of Trump’s making and it is a problem that we would be confronted with regardless of who is president at the moment. 

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/671371/China-President-Xi-Jinping-prepares-army-for-war-USA-North-Korea-WW3-Nuclear-missile-video

    You’re darn right if we somehow manage to escape this pickle I’ll credit Trump. Either way I wouldn’t bet on it.
    So how do you divorce this from our extremely volatile POTUS?
    On what grounds do you assume Xi Jinping would be preparing for war with a POTUS who can't be baited into making dick measuring jokes on twitter?
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