Police abuse

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

This one is very interesting.  The fact that she's white adds a ton of layers.  What if the cop is convicted?  What would that tell black Americans?  What if the cop's not convicted?  Does that wake the rest of us up?  Do people just stop calling the police?

Maybe there's more to the story.  But so often, there's not.

You can't even ask those questions with zero information out. The cops could be 100% at fault (and very likely are) but it doesn't mean anything criminal occurred and therefore no conviction. It be something like accidental discharge, which wouldn't always be a criminal act, could be liable in civil court but not criminal. So at this point it doesn't say anything.
With no other information available, accidental discharge does seem like a possibility. Shooting over the driver and through the door is not likely a planned shot.

It sure as shit should be a criminal charge!  

rgambs said:

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

This one is very interesting.  The fact that she's white adds a ton of layers.  What if the cop is convicted?  What would that tell black Americans?  What if the cop's not convicted?  Does that wake the rest of us up?  Do people just stop calling the police?

Maybe there's more to the story.  But so often, there's not.

You can't even ask those questions with zero information out. The cops could be 100% at fault (and very likely are) but it doesn't mean anything criminal occurred and therefore no conviction. It be something like accidental discharge, which wouldn't always be a criminal act, could be liable in civil court but not criminal. So at this point it doesn't say anything.
With no other information available, accidental discharge does seem like a possibility. Shooting over the driver and through the door is not likely a planned shot.

It sure as shit should be a criminal charge!  

Why?
if you're followg the law but someone does as a result you should be charged? People die of gun accidents and hunting accidents without breaking the law. They are sometimes held accountable civilly (financially) but not always criminally. If it turns out to be a clear accident, and I'm not saying it is because we have no idea at this point, why would this be any different? Should every hunter involved in a hunting accident be charged as well? Should Dick Cheney be charged with attempted murder because he shot someone? Accidents do happen without criminal means.
what about driving? You cause an accident and someone does. You can be sued in civil court, but you want them criminally charged too? That only happens if reckless driving or drugs are involved, but people die of just plain car accidents every day and many go without criminal charges. People die on the worksite as a result of someone else's mistake and aren't charged criminally. Restaurants catch on fire because of an accident, but they aren't charged with arsen. 
I'm not saying do nothing. If it were an accidental shooting the cop should be fired and he and the department sued in civil court, but there's no criminal law he broke that would justify filing criminal charges in many of the possible circumstances. 
So to ask the question at this point and imply how insulting it will be for black if the cop is convicted and how messed up the system is if he isn't is just a reckless statement.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

Well, this one sounds pretty horse shit. Doesn't make any sense. Seems like a bad shooting from top to bottom.

http://m.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/

Doesn't look good. But I bet this one gets little coverage and is quickly forgotten.

At first read... it seems like one of the worst ones yet.

A woman calls 9-11, goes out to meet the cops at their vehicle, and is shot dead while talking to them at the car? 

you don't walk into an alley where you just reported an assault. wait for the cops to come to you.  that being said hard to fathom why the cop even pulled a gun let alone pulled the trigger.  even if accidental why was the gun out at that point if still in the car?  as for the body cams do they turn them on when still in the car?

That is so messed up.  I guess we can assume the Somali policeman just panicked and shot her.  That they were still in the car kind of explains why the bodycams weren't on.

unsung said:

A wet dream would have been police not killing citizens, you go ahead and apologize for the cop though.

It isn't far fetched.  Every time a white cop shoots a black kid we hear the cries of racism.

What's to say this pretty blonde, that was in her pajamas, didn't accidentally flash mr. sharia some skin?  Triggered.  No more unrealistic that that racist white cop that permeates the ranks according to the inner city.

I'm confused at what your stance is. You put down cop defenders, but then dismiss the idea of cop racism too.
I've believed that the racism issue has been blown way out of proportion. However, do beleieve cops make mistakes and accidents happen and there are some bad ones. I also believe for every inciedent that makes headline news, there are hundreds of thousands of police encounters every day that end peacefully, so the whole abuse idea in general is blown out of perspective, and isn't the epidemic the media portrays it to be. That doesn't mean cops shouldn't be held accountable and take steps to improve their training.
my guess is thisnbeing a white victim there will be non riots and protests over her, and in a week her name will be forgotten.

unsung said:

A wet dream would have been police not killing citizens, you go ahead and apologize for the cop though.

It isn't far fetched.  Every time a white cop shoots a black kid we hear the cries of racism.

What's to say this pretty blonde, that was in her pajamas, didn't accidentally flash mr. sharia some skin?  Triggered.  No more unrealistic that that racist white cop that permeates the ranks according to the inner city.

"Mr. Sharia'?
That is some serious Islamophobic racism right there.
Congrats