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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
    Here are the numbers.
    https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/


    LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo


    Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

    Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.


    And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
    No thanks!!
    I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 
    Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
    So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?
    Republican law makers & Trump need to do something?  You must know how laws are passed don't you?  You need the Congress and the Senate and the president to be on the same page or nothing gets done. Republican lawmakers can't pass anything they want anytime they want.  That's why you need bipartisanship.  But you know Russian collusion, impeachment, Coronavirus, take up an awful lot of time.  Have you ever noticed every few months there is a new unbelievable earth-shattering new chaos that takes over every aspect of the news.  Boiling problems at a fever pitch, and then when that diet dies down on to the next!
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,726
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
    Here are the numbers.
    https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/


    LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo


    Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

    Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.


    And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
    No thanks!!
    I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 
    Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
    So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?
    Republican law makers & Trump need to do something?  You must know how laws are passed don't you?  You need the Congress and the Senate and the president to be on the same page or nothing gets done. Republican lawmakers can't pass anything they want anytime they want.  That's why you need bipartisanship.  But you know Russian collusion, impeachment, Coronavirus, take up an awful lot of time.  Have you ever noticed every few months there is a new unbelievable earth-shattering new chaos that takes over every aspect of the news.  Boiling problems at a fever pitch, and then when that diet dies down on to the next!
    No fucking shit, dude. But there are Republicans in all those state legislatures. Even if they don't have a majority, they can try to fight. They seem content to sit back and let the democrats do whatever they want. Whatever, it's your boy Trump that's hurting from it. You've seen the polls and his approval ratings right? I think it's directly correlated with the Republicans letting the Dems do what they want during the past two weeks. And if Trump isn't furthering the Republican cause (as is the case right now), than he's useless to Republicans. 
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,538
    This showed up as I was reading the last few posts on this thread....
    Death to America
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,519
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
    Here are the numbers.
    https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/


    LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo


    Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

    Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.


    And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
    No thanks!!

    Antifa

    Boo!
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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
    Here are the numbers.
    https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/


    LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo


    Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

    Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.


    And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
    No thanks!!
    I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 
    Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
    So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?
    Republican law makers & Trump need to do something?  You must know how laws are passed don't you?  You need the Congress and the Senate and the president to be on the same page or nothing gets done. Republican lawmakers can't pass anything they want anytime they want.  That's why you need bipartisanship.  But you know Russian collusion, impeachment, Coronavirus, take up an awful lot of time.  Have you ever noticed every few months there is a new unbelievable earth-shattering new chaos that takes over every aspect of the news.  Boiling problems at a fever pitch, and then when that diet dies down on to the next!
    No fucking shit, dude. But there are Republicans in all those state legislatures. Even if they don't have a majority, they can try to fight. They seem content to sit back and let the democrats do whatever they want. Whatever, it's your boy Trump that's hurting from it. You've seen the polls and his approval ratings right? I think it's directly correlated with the Republicans letting the Dems do what they want during the past two weeks. And if Trump isn't furthering the Republican cause (as is the case right now), than he's useless to Republicans. 
    No fucking shit, dude?  In heavily run blue states and when the majorities are all tilted heavy blue, red can't do shit dude.
    Pole #s dont mean shit 6 months out either.
    What did the poles say in June of 2016?
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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited June 2020
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
    Here are the numbers.
    https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/


    LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo


    Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

    Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.


    And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
    No thanks!!

    Antifa

    Boo!
    Yup people like you ain't hard to figure out. 
    Comrade Smelly.   ;)
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,519
    If anybody needs a history lesson.


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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,538
    IBTL
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    RYMERYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    Smellyman said:
    The revisionist history classes you have taken have not served you well comrade Smelly.
    You cant fix a fool.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,581
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    RYME said:
    While every police abuse is never excuseable, and the outrage after every horrific incident is totally legit.  The hatred towards the police force and generalizations are not statistically warranted.
    Here are the numbers.
    https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-06-08-the-facts-just-dont-support-the-defund-the-police-narrative/


    LOL.  Dan O'Donnell.  coocooo


    Typical smelly very reliable to say nothing of substance.

    Just have to vet your nutter sources that you are attracted to.


    And you are attracted to Antifa, Anarchy, looting and the destruction, & brick throwing, stealing everything in the stores, Molotov coctails, random beetings, devastation, and despair on the streets in American cities.  You like that, and you would like a Stalin Style America to rise from the ashes.  Stop pretending like you care about BLves.  Your goal is to fundamentally transform America.
    No thanks!!
    I don't like any of that shit either. So where are the Republican lawmakers and their so-called president to stop it? That's why his numbers are dipping so much. Socially conscious undecided voters obviously don't want anything to do with him. But now, independents who might have voted for him are turned off by the chaos in the streets, and his inability to do anything about it other than tweet about it. 
    Democrates are in charge in all major and most smaller U.S. cities where most of these in justices and mayhems occur.  This didn't just start during the Trump Administration. 
    So who runs these cities? New York? Chicago? Los Angeles? Milwaukee? San Francisco? New Orleans? Dallas? Denver? Boston?  The list goes on and on.  Mayor's Alderman and city councils. Name me one of these cities where most of these Injustices occur that are run by republicans?
    Republican law makers & Trump need to do something?  You must know how laws are passed don't you?  You need the Congress and the Senate and the president to be on the same page or nothing gets done. Republican lawmakers can't pass anything they want anytime they want.  That's why you need bipartisanship.  But you know Russian collusion, impeachment, Coronavirus, take up an awful lot of time.  Have you ever noticed every few months there is a new unbelievable earth-shattering new chaos that takes over every aspect of the news.  Boiling problems at a fever pitch, and then when that diet dies down on to the next!
    No fucking shit, dude. But there are Republicans in all those state legislatures. Even if they don't have a majority, they can try to fight. They seem content to sit back and let the democrats do whatever they want. Whatever, it's your boy Trump that's hurting from it. You've seen the polls and his approval ratings right? I think it's directly correlated with the Republicans letting the Dems do what they want during the past two weeks. And if Trump isn't furthering the Republican cause (as is the case right now), than he's useless to Republicans. 
    No fucking shit, dude?  In heavily run blue states and when the majorities are all tilted heavy blue, red can't do shit dude.
    Pole #s dont mean shit 6 months out either.
    What did the poles say in June of 2016?
    Last time I checked the WH and Senate were under repub control as were a majority of State capitols and legislatures. Guess you didn't review the Black Lives Matter thread for the states/cities where police bias is rampant. Both dems and repubs, fancy that? But it seems thus far, dem states and cities are doing more as the result of recent events. But yea, buh, buh, buh.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    RYME said:
    Smellyman said:
    The revisionist history classes you have taken have not served you well comrade Smelly.
    You cant fix a fool.
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,817
    you think this only happens in the US? this first nations chief was pulled over for an expired licence plate. watch what happens to him. 

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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,230
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    Nah, haven't you heard? Seattle has fallen. The mods have been rendered useless. Anarchy and chaos will rule! Soon the porch will be strewn with burned skate decks and 3D Viewers.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,683
    I'm fascinated by what going on in Seattle with CHAZ.  I wonder if we'll have a rational conversation or even a non-sarcastic thread about that scene?  In the article linked below, Trump  "described the protesters as “Domestic Terrorists” who “have taken over Seattle, run by Radical Left Democrats, of course. LAW & ORDER!” 

    Another description in the article said CHAZ is "helping to amplify nationwide protests while offering a real-world example of what a community can look like without police."

    Pretty obvious which description came out of a more ration thinking brain. 

    Yes, this effort will have it problems.  People will have heated debates.  But this is how all social experiments work.  Win or lose, what they do is bring new thoughts to the surface.  The people who disparage them the most are often cynical (and I call myslef out on that for things I've said, old fool that I am sometimes) or even closed minded to new ideas.  Too bad because they could actually add something useful to the discussion if they wanted to.




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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,519

    Have a couple of friends who live there too.  Not near as bad what is reported by the  ̶F̶a̶x̶i̶s̶t̶ Fox News


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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,683
    Smellyman said:

    Have a couple of friends who live there too.  Not near as bad what is reported by the  ̶F̶a̶x̶i̶s̶t̶ Fox News



    Much as what I would expect.  It almost funny how something daring and different ruffles some feathers.  Almost!
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,581
    Smellyman said:

    Have a couple of friends who live there too.  Not near as bad what is reported by the  ̶F̶a̶x̶i̶s̶t̶ Fox News


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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,984
    you think this only happens in the US? this first nations chief was pulled over for an expired licence plate. watch what happens to him. 

    https://twitter.com/journorosa/status/1271234182631522307
    Watch the video below where the same guy that got tackled takes off his jacket getting ready to fight the officers.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,581
    pjl44 said:
    After holding up the anti-lynching bill. More grandstanding from Randy.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,695
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,058
    Topics like Rand's bill help you differentiate between people who take an interest in politics because they want to advocate for positive governing vs those who found it's the only acceptable avenue to channel their inherent anger
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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,058
    edited June 2020
    If you're a Democrat and a Republican breaks rank to put forth legislation that is objectively good, that is something to celebrate and encourage.

    Unless, of course, you're only in this to find people to fight with.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,695
    pjl44 said:
    If you're a Democrat and a Republican breaks rank to put forth legislation that is objectively good, that is something to celebrate and encourage 
    it is, but these bills are primarily for fed level only....

    Rands bill is named after Breonna but only applies to federal warrants. Its fucking insulting imo.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,581
    pjl44 said:
    Topics like Rand's bill help you differentiate between people who take an interest in politics because they want to advocate for positive governing vs those who found it's the only acceptable avenue to channel their inherent anger
    Sounds like "downsplaining to me." What's so great about Randy Paul? I mean, I guess if you're a white male, he might be great? I'd have way more respect for him if he shed his faux libertarianism and professed his repub bona fides or fully embraced his libertarianism and ran as one. But he's a fraud.

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    Missed Votes

    From Jan 2011 to Jun 2020, Paul missed 132 of 2,788 roll call votes, which is 4.7%. This is much worse than the median of 1.7% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving. The chart below reports missed votes over time.

    We don’t track why legislators miss votes, but it’s often due to medical absenses and major life events.

    Missed Votes (%)
    Line chart with 39 data points.
    The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories.
    The chart has 1 Y axis displaying Missed Votes (%). Range: 0 to 30.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492/report-card/2019

    And yes, I googled this but I have been following the Pauls ever since I encountered Lyndon LaRouch supporters outside the post office and his dad was a POTUS candidate, and more so when Randy burst onto the scene. So, I'm not opposed to him because of some inherent "anger" but because he's a fraud and a hypocrite, playing the grandstander.

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    pjl44pjl44 Posts: 8,058
    pjl44 said:

    Topics like Rand's bill help you differentiate between people who take an interest in politics because they want to advocate for positive governing vs those who found it's the only acceptable avenue to channel their inherent anger
    Sounds like "downsplaining to me." What's so great about Randy Paul? I mean, I guess if you're a white male, he might be great? I'd have way more respect for him if he shed his faux libertarianism and professed his repub bona fides or fully embraced his libertarianism and ran as one. But he's a fraud.

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    Missed Votes

    From Jan 2011 to Jun 2020, Paul missed 132 of 2,788 roll call votes, which is 4.7%. This is much worse than the median of 1.7% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving. The chart below reports missed votes over time.

    We don’t track why legislators miss votes, but it’s often due to medical absenses and major life events.

    Missed Votes (%)
    Line chart with 39 data points.
    The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories.
    The chart has 1 Y axis displaying Missed Votes (%). Range: 0 to 30.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492/report-card/2019

    And yes, I googled this but I have been following the Pauls ever since I encountered Lyndon LaRouch supporters outside the post office and his dad was a POTUS candidate, and more so when Randy burst onto the scene. So, I'm not opposed to him because of some inherent "anger" but because he's a fraud and a hypocrite, playing the grandstander.

    I'm talking about a single bill, which you make no mention of. Instead you manically googled a bunch of unrelated stuff. You're only on here looking for fights.
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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:

    Topics like Rand's bill help you differentiate between people who take an interest in politics because they want to advocate for positive governing vs those who found it's the only acceptable avenue to channel their inherent anger
    Sounds like "downsplaining to me." What's so great about Randy Paul? I mean, I guess if you're a white male, he might be great? I'd have way more respect for him if he shed his faux libertarianism and professed his repub bona fides or fully embraced his libertarianism and ran as one. But he's a fraud.

    Ratings from Advocacy Organizations


    Missed Votes

    From Jan 2011 to Jun 2020, Paul missed 132 of 2,788 roll call votes, which is 4.7%. This is much worse than the median of 1.7% among the lifetime records of senators currently serving. The chart below reports missed votes over time.

    We don’t track why legislators miss votes, but it’s often due to medical absenses and major life events.

    Missed Votes (%)
    Line chart with 39 data points.
    The chart has 1 X axis displaying categories.
    The chart has 1 Y axis displaying Missed Votes (%). Range: 0 to 30.

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492

    https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/rand_paul/412492/report-card/2019

    And yes, I googled this but I have been following the Pauls ever since I encountered Lyndon LaRouch supporters outside the post office and his dad was a POTUS candidate, and more so when Randy burst onto the scene. So, I'm not opposed to him because of some inherent "anger" but because he's a fraud and a hypocrite, playing the grandstander.

    I'm talking about a single bill, which you make no mention of. Instead you manically googled a bunch of unrelated stuff. You're only on here looking for fights.
    No, I think Randy Paul is a grandstander and his holding up of the anti-lynching bill is a dog whistle. His sponsorship of the bill you mentioned is more, well, Randystanding and too little too late in his illustrious career of carrying repub, racist water, all the while pretending to have some kind of libertarian ideal. An opinion not born of "inherent anger" but one of watching his political career over an extended period of time, listening to his rhetoric and seeing who and how he votes. Human Rights Campaign Score: 0. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable.

    And you're only on here looking for your safe space (I don't think you'll understand how that sounds as it relates to the bold).
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    AOC was asked "what does an America with defunded police look like to you". Here's her answer:

    The good news is that it actually doesn't take a ton of imagination.
    It looks like a suburb. Affluent white communities already live in a world where the choose to fund youth, health, housing etc more than they fund police. These communities have lower crime rates not because they have more police, but bc they have more resources to support healthy society in a way that reduces crime.
    When a teenager or preteen does something harmful in a suburb (I say teen bc this is often where lifelong carceral cycles begin for Black and Brown communities), White communities bend over backwards to find alternatives to incarceration for their loved ones to "protect their future," like community service or rehab or restorative measures. Why don't we treat Black and Brown people the same way? Why doesn't the criminal system care about Black teens' futures the way they care for White teens' futures? Why doesn't the news use Black people's graduation or family photos in stories the way they do when they cover White people (eg Brock Turner) who commit harmful crimes? Affluent White suburbs also design their own lives so that they walk through the world without having much interruption or interaction with police at all aside from community events and speeding tickets (and many of these communities try to reduce those, too!)
    Just starting THERE would be a dramatically and radically different world than what we are experiencing now.

    Food for thought, for all those who argue that "defunding the police" would lead to increased crime rate and a "lawless society".
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