Police abuse

unsung

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

And he could have just as easily shifted out of the way.

Leaped away for his safety!

"Pshew! Did you see that, guys? Did you see how that idiot almost ran me down, but I managed to leap out of the way? Pshew!"

Unsung... I might not even do that on the street let alone expect a cop to do it in the line of duty. If some idiot flies at me on his skateboard expecting me to avoid him... I might or I might not depending on my mood. But if I decide to (using a phrase you love dearly) stand my ground and knock the skateboarder off his board... that's on him. Skateboarders should not expect people to be scattering left and right as they wheel by them.

Cincy and Thirty,

So a person should have some personal responsibility?  Someone that age should know right from wrong?

Ummmm  so a person riding a skateboard down a street has some personal responsibility?  Yup.

So hypothetically if that collision happens in a parallel universe and the skater suffers a broken neck and becomes paralyzed it is his fault?

jeffbr

I found the video funny. I like when idiots get hurt by being idiots. Sk8ter Boi intentionally went flying through an area that the cops were trying to control. He took a direct line at the cop, perhaps trying to be funny, perhaps trying to be an asshat. Either way, he got an object lesson in physics, and hopefully that new education will serve him in the future.

cincybearcat

unsung said:

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

And he could have just as easily shifted out of the way.

Leaped away for his safety!

"Pshew! Did you see that, guys? Did you see how that idiot almost ran me down, but I managed to leap out of the way? Pshew!"

Unsung... I might not even do that on the street let alone expect a cop to do it in the line of duty. If some idiot flies at me on his skateboard expecting me to avoid him... I might or I might not depending on my mood. But if I decide to (using a phrase you love dearly) stand my ground and knock the skateboarder off his board... that's on him. Skateboarders should not expect people to be scattering left and right as they wheel by them.

Cincy and Thirty,

So a person should have some personal responsibility?  Someone that age should know right from wrong?

Ummmm  so a person riding a skateboard down a street has some personal responsibility?  Yup.

So hypothetically if that collision happens in a parallel universe and the skater suffers a broken neck and becomes paralyzed it is his fault?

If he skates into a restricted area and gets hurt...yup.  But I'm sure a jury would be the ones to decide.  But if I'm on it.....

dankind

On the court, that's an offensive foul, folks. Charging. 

Check. Ball in. 

dankind

There was this story on the local news a few nights ago about this cracker who went into a local radio station with an ax to request an Insane Clown Posse song. The bizarre request resulted in an hourslong standoff with the police (SWAT, even) while he drank beer in his car, rammed a few police cruisers, and threw his ax and I think some knives at the cops before finally surrendering with his hands up.

My wife after watching the segment: "Boy, white people get away with anything, don't they?"

cincybearcat

dankind said:

There was this story on the local news a few nights ago about this cracker who went into a local radio station with an ax to request an Insane Clown Posse song. The bizarre request resulted in an hourslong standoff with the police (SWAT, even) while he drank beer in his car, rammed a few police cruisers, and threw his ax and I think some knives at the cops before finally surrendering with his hands up.

My wife after watching the segment: "Boy, white people get away with anything, don't they?"

Well they don't get away with it.  But they certainly appear to get stopped less for BS little things and get the benefit of the doubt more.  Cops tend to not think they will do the worst possible thing at every moment.  It is very weird.

mace1229

dankind said:

There was this story on the local news a few nights ago about this cracker who went into a local radio station with an ax to request an Insane Clown Posse song. The bizarre request resulted in an hourslong standoff with the police (SWAT, even) while he drank beer in his car, rammed a few police cruisers, and threw his ax and I think some knives at the cops before finally surrendering with his hands up.

My wife after watching the segment: "Boy, white people get away with anything, don't they?"

Your story ends with him being arrested. What exactly did he get away with?

mace1229

Read an article about it.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4685056/amp/Ax-wielding-man-prompts-standoff-radio-song-request.html

He he was in the car when police arrived and state he wasn't threatening with the ax at that point. Does say he rammed a police vehicle (most likely empty) but never threatened police with an ax or knife. Was in the car during the standoff drinking beer. Shooting him would have not been justified with those circumstances.
im confused with this anti-cop mentality. So now people want cops to shoot more? Sounds like the complaint here is they didn't shoot a white guy, even though it wasn't warranted. 

HesCalledDyer

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

And he could have just as easily shifted out of the way.

Leaped away for his safety!

"Pshew! Did you see that, guys? Did you see how that idiot almost ran me down, but I managed to leap out of the way? Pshew!"

Unsung... I might not even do that on the street let alone expect a cop to do it in the line of duty. If some idiot flies at me on his skateboard expecting me to avoid him... I might or I might not depending on my mood. But if I decide to (using a phrase you love dearly) stand my ground and knock the skateboarder off his board... that's on him. Skateboarders should not expect people to be scattering left and right as they wheel by them.

Cincy and Thirty,

So a person should have some personal responsibility?  Someone that age should know right from wrong?

Ummmm  so a person riding a skateboard down a street has some personal responsibility?  Yup.

That's a pretty shitty judgment.

dignin

mace1229 said:

Read an article about it.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4685056/amp/Ax-wielding-man-prompts-standoff-radio-song-request.html

He he was in the car when police arrived and state he wasn't threatening with the ax at that point. Does say he rammed a police vehicle (most likely empty) but never threatened police with an ax or knife. Was in the car during the standoff drinking beer. Shooting him would have not been justified with those circumstances.
im confused with this anti-cop mentality. So now people want cops to shoot more? Sounds like the complaint here is they didn't shoot a white guy, even though it wasn't warranted. 

Whoosh!

oftenreading

mace1229 said:

dankind said:

There was this story on the local news a few nights ago about this cracker who went into a local radio station with an ax to request an Insane Clown Posse song. The bizarre request resulted in an hourslong standoff with the police (SWAT, even) while he drank beer in his car, rammed a few police cruisers, and threw his ax and I think some knives at the cops before finally surrendering with his hands up.

My wife after watching the segment: "Boy, white people get away with anything, don't they?"

Your story ends with him being arrested. What exactly did he get away with?

His life 

rgambs

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

dankind said:

There was this story on the local news a few nights ago about this cracker who went into a local radio station with an ax to request an Insane Clown Posse song. The bizarre request resulted in an hourslong standoff with the police (SWAT, even) while he drank beer in his car, rammed a few police cruisers, and threw his ax and I think some knives at the cops before finally surrendering with his hands up.

My wife after watching the segment: "Boy, white people get away with anything, don't they?"

Your story ends with him being arrested. What exactly did he get away with?

His life 

Yep, unlike Philando Castille, John Crawford, and Tamir Rice for instance.
Oh yeah, that's right, none of them were even breaking the law.  

cincybearcat

HesCalledDyer said:

cincybearcat said:

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

unsung said:

And he could have just as easily shifted out of the way.

Leaped away for his safety!

"Pshew! Did you see that, guys? Did you see how that idiot almost ran me down, but I managed to leap out of the way? Pshew!"

Unsung... I might not even do that on the street let alone expect a cop to do it in the line of duty. If some idiot flies at me on his skateboard expecting me to avoid him... I might or I might not depending on my mood. But if I decide to (using a phrase you love dearly) stand my ground and knock the skateboarder off his board... that's on him. Skateboarders should not expect people to be scattering left and right as they wheel by them.

Cincy and Thirty,

So a person should have some personal responsibility?  Someone that age should know right from wrong?

Ummmm  so a person riding a skateboard down a street has some personal responsibility?  Yup.

That's a pretty shitty judgment.

Huh?

unsung

rgambs said:

oftenreading said:

mace1229 said:

dankind said:

There was this story on the local news a few nights ago about this cracker who went into a local radio station with an ax to request an Insane Clown Posse song. The bizarre request resulted in an hourslong standoff with the police (SWAT, even) while he drank beer in his car, rammed a few police cruisers, and threw his ax and I think some knives at the cops before finally surrendering with his hands up.

My wife after watching the segment: "Boy, white people get away with anything, don't they?"

Your story ends with him being arrested. What exactly did he get away with?

His life 

Yep, unlike Philando Castille, John Crawford, and Tamir Rice for instance.
Oh yeah, that's right, none of them were even breaking the law.  

Eric Garner, LaVoy Finicum...

mace1229

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Read an article about it.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4685056/amp/Ax-wielding-man-prompts-standoff-radio-song-request.html

He he was in the car when police arrived and state he wasn't threatening with the ax at that point. Does say he rammed a police vehicle (most likely empty) but never threatened police with an ax or knife. Was in the car during the standoff drinking beer. Shooting him would have not been justified with those circumstances.
im confused with this anti-cop mentality. So now people want cops to shoot more? Sounds like the complaint here is they didn't shoot a white guy, even though it wasn't warranted. 

Whoosh!

You're right, it's over my head. If you could please explain how a single case of a white man who wasn't an immediate threat to cops wasn't shot proves there is a mass epidemic with police. Because with that same logic a single case of a black man surviving a police encounter would disprove it. 

mace1229

I don't think there are zero bad cops or there hasn't ever been a wrongful death at the hands of cops.
what I don't agree with is this anti-cop movement. A movement that gained its momentum with Michael Brown.
And ever since any time a black man dies at the hands of police it's because he was black.  "Open season on blacks" and other slogans are thrown around to give the impression that if you're black and stopped by police, then you're as good as dead.
there are over half a million cops here, with just as many police encounters ever Day. Resulting in tens of millions of police encounters a month. I disagree with half of the cases now famous that the police were at fault. But that means I do agree with some. Some were just bad judgement or bad policing and not everything boils down to race though.  It seems often there are many incorrect facts reported by the media or false witnesses to put the blame on cops, and the word and testimony of cops are always assumed to be false. An example is this last case. Stated the guy threw an ax and knives at cops which lead to the comment "we'll if he was black...""" but none of that was true. Too many are too eager to jump on the anti-cop racists bandwagon and be part of the next movement. But I can't buy into the epidemic with over a half a dozen cases in 2-3 years when tens of millions of interactions end without incident every month. And the phrases "he'd still be alive if he was white" or "he'd be dead if he was black" are thrown around without any thought put into them. These statements put unwarranted fear in people which only make the problem worse. Many of the names thrown around weren't cases of police abuse. Some were tragic, absolutely, but there wasn't any evidence of police wrongdoing in some of these cases now made famous. And a jury of 12 chosen to be unbiased by both sides and who were forced to listen to weeks of testimony and.not just a single news article agree.
Policing could be made better, but it's far from the devil it's made out to be. The number of teachers who molest children are far greater than the number of police even accused of abuse, but no one cries out for some teacher pedo epidemic.  And this mentality actually hurts people. Cops hesitate to defend themselves or intervene to save lives over fear of prosecution. This false mentality has consequences. Stop labeling cops as bad as a whole (which you do which many of the statements that have become all too common). 
That's probably what is most frustrating to me. Any error made by police is often interpreted as intentional and racists, when any job with human is going to have human error. I'm all for minimizing the human error, but this race card only makes it worse, not better.

tbergs

Well, this one sounds pretty horse shit. Doesn't make any sense. Seems like a bad shooting from top to bottom.

http://m.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/

mace1229

tbergs said:

Well, this one sounds pretty horse shit. Doesn't make any sense. Seems like a bad shooting from top to bottom.

http://m.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/

Doesn't look good. But I bet this one gets little coverage and is quickly forgotten.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

Well, this one sounds pretty horse shit. Doesn't make any sense. Seems like a bad shooting from top to bottom.

http://m.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/

Doesn't look good. But I bet this one gets little coverage and is quickly forgotten.

At first read... it seems like one of the worst ones yet.

A woman calls 9-11, goes out to meet the cops at their vehicle, and is shot dead while talking to them at the car? 

rgambs

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

Well, this one sounds pretty horse shit. Doesn't make any sense. Seems like a bad shooting from top to bottom.

http://m.startribune.com/woman-killed-in-officer-involved-shooting-in-south-minneapolis/434782213/

Doesn't look good. But I bet this one gets little coverage and is quickly forgotten.

At first read... it seems like one of the worst ones yet.

A woman calls 9-11, goes out to meet the cops at their vehicle, and is shot dead while talking to them at the car? 

Brutal, my guess is that there is more to the story.  How could there not be?  A pretty white woman in pajamas shot by the passenger through the driver's door?  It's nuts.  Lover's quarrel?