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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Unsung may have made some off-hand comment- I didn't review the thread to find it and I don't care to. I've read 1000 of his posts. I know where he's at. He's different than me, but that's okay. His perspective is important and I don't see him hurting anyone on any level.

    If anyone has followed his posting history, they'll know that Unsung is not of the unsavoury ilk that views minorities with disdain unless that minority is an individual worthy of disdain (or if any form of government could be considered one).

    His blunt nature does not make him part of the problem as much as some want to make him out to be. 
    He views us all with disdain lol
    We are all bootlickers to him!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    unsung said:
    Do people generally believe that in any particular group about 10% of the people are of lesser character?
    I think it's a lot more than that.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/nevada/articles/2017-05-06/nevada-officer-mistakenly-shoots-mother-bear-near-lake-tahoe

    More proof. We all know if it was a polar bear instead of a black bear, it'd still be alive.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Not funny.
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  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,292
    rgambs said:
    Not funny.
    Kinda funny.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    rgambs said:
    Not funny.
    Kinda funny.
    I chuckled
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    pjhawks said:
    rgambs said:
    Not funny.
    Kinda funny.
    I chuckled
    So did I
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,177
    Shoot to kill? Knee cap 'em? Call for back up? Let him in for a beer?


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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/nyregion/times-square-crash.html?_r=0

    The chronic drunk and drug abusing offender plowed into people, fled the scene, punched a policeman, was finally subdued, and was taken into custody.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,404
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/nyregion/times-square-crash.html?_r=0

    The chronic drunk and drug abusing offender plowed into people, fled the scene, punched a policeman, was finally subdued, and was taken into custody.
    A follow up story with some nice photos of the suspect out of control and then being arrested. What a great guy. This is the type of person that low life giraffe killer should be allowed to hunt and then be hunted himself to close the circle of life.

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/raging-driver-tried-to-flee-scene-of-fatal-crash/
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    tbergs said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/nyregion/times-square-crash.html?_r=0

    The chronic drunk and drug abusing offender plowed into people, fled the scene, punched a policeman, was finally subdued, and was taken into custody.
    A follow up story with some nice photos of the suspect out of control and then being arrested. What a great guy. This is the type of person that low life giraffe killer should be allowed to hunt and then be hunted himself to close the circle of life.

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/18/raging-driver-tried-to-flee-scene-of-fatal-crash/
    Agreed.

    A low life that not only deserved, but needed a serious beat down: killing people, punching police, and running around like an animal.

    I used to debate the DP with a good buddy who opposed it. His suggestion was an island like the one of Ray Liotta's movie, No Escape. Just dump all dirtbags on to the island and let them be free to run around like the animals they are. Seemed fair to me.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-naperville-north-suicide-20170522-story.html
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,552
    unsung said:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-naperville-north-suicide-20170522-story.html
    How much responsibility would you put on the kid in this situation?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited May 2017
    Not enough to make him kill himself.

    Why is it ok to harass a kid without his parents present?
  • PP193448
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    unsung said:
    Not enough to make him kill himself.

    Why is it ok to harass a kid without his parents present?
    Harass a kid?

    He had an audio of him having sex with a classmate and was showing it to his friends. I'm pretty sure the classmate was unaware of the audio and reported it- looking for the damaging clip to be controlled so that it didn't ruin her socially (at least to some degree). 

    This case represents why authorities are necessary, Unsung.

    The kid seems fine, but as I'm well aware of in incidents such a situation these... the media portrays the offender as an angel. He likely was a good kid, but don't hook, line and sinker buy the persona the story wishes to sell you. Ultimately, he produced child pornography and was showing it to his friends. If I'm the parent of the girl (assuming it was a girl)... I want something done about that.

    Nobody wished for the kid to go jump off a parkade, but geezuz... authorities can't even question a kid at school without an attorney or parents there? You are the one demanding less bureaucracy in our lives, yet here you're insisting on more.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-naperville-north-suicide-20170522-story.html
    How much responsibility would you put on the kid in this situation?
    all of it.  is this really a question? the kid produced child porn and the threat by the school and authorities was real. 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    I absolutely agree that there was no justification for the police to interview the kid without his parents present. There was no emergency that necessitated that, and absent an emergency they legally have to at least make efforts to contact the parents prior to a police interview. This was an abuse. The outcome, of course, was unpredictable and completely unexpected, but even if the kid had done nothing afterward and was still alive and walking around, it would still have been an abuse.

    If you guys had any idea the depth of research on false confessions and manipulated evidence when police deal with minors or other vulnerable individuals, I'm guessing you would also be concerned.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    oftenreading said:
    I absolutely agree that there was no justification for the police to interview the kid without his parents present. There was no emergency that necessitated that, and absent an emergency they legally have to at least make efforts to contact the parents prior to a police interview. This was an abuse. The outcome, of course, was unpredictable and completely unexpected, but even if the kid had done nothing afterward and was still alive and walking around, it would still have been an abuse.

    If you guys had any idea the depth of research on false confessions and manipulated evidence when police deal with minors or other vulnerable individuals, I'm guessing you would also be concerned.
    Except in this case, there was no false confession.

    The kid turned his phone over to the authorities and the damaging audio was seize dead before it was transferred to someone else or erased- saving the kid from facing the consequences of his actions which were nothing outside of some stern words.

    It is challenging to control events such as these so that people involved are not hurt (see any number of the teen suicide cases where girls have killed themselves for the shame and abuse they receive having been the subject of such material). So, sorry for not jumping on board with a lengthy legal process to procure a phone and stop a kid from sharing a sexual encounter with his buddies.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    oftenreading said:
    I absolutely agree that there was no justification for the police to interview the kid without his parents present. There was no emergency that necessitated that, and absent an emergency they legally have to at least make efforts to contact the parents prior to a police interview. This was an abuse. The outcome, of course, was unpredictable and completely unexpected, but even if the kid had done nothing afterward and was still alive and walking around, it would still have been an abuse.

    If you guys had any idea the depth of research on false confessions and manipulated evidence when police deal with minors or other vulnerable individuals, I'm guessing you would also be concerned.
    Except in this case, there was no false confession.

    The kid turned his phone over to the authorities and the damaging audio was seize dead before it was transferred to someone else or erased- saving the kid from facing the consequences of his actions which were nothing outside of some stern words.

    It is challenging to control events such as these so that people involved are not hurt (see any number of the teen suicide cases where girls have killed themselves for the shame and abuse they receive having been the subject of such material). So, sorry for not jumping on board with a lengthy legal process to procure a phone and stop a kid from sharing a sexual encounter with his buddies.

    Don't turn my comments into something they are not, Thirty.

    I am fine with the kid being called to the office. I'm fine with him being told he is going to be questioned by police.  I'm fine with him being told to hand over the phone. All of that stops any further sharing in its tracks. What I am absolutely not fine with is him being questioned and threatened by police without his parents' knowledge and without then being given the opportunity to be present to help deal with this.

    Some of you are so awfully cavalier about the authority of police.
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