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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,894

    That's literally what he said...in bold.
    Maybe three in Russian means something different lol yep three of his appointees have stepped down all because of Russian connections !! But but there is no way Bafoon knew correct I mean how could he ?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,201
    Dan Quayle must be watching this sideshow and just marvel over the amount of shit he took for spelling "potato" wrong.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    That was a fluid situation occurring in a different country. Rice was acting as spokesperson. Flynn lied about a conversation that he took part in personally. It's a little different. And I wasn't referring to Rice at all.. it's just more relevant today than Flynngate. Pretty soon we will have a straight up Russia-gate with Trump in the center.
    Rice was given her talking points and executed them. I don't blame her for the lie even though she is the one who told it. Time will tell whether there is an actual Russia gate. So far nobody is actually declaring that Flynn or anyone else broke the law. In fact current reporting says the FBI cleared Flynn so other then the lie to Pence I am not actually sure what "gate" is coming. This is from January 23:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.622fb466dc98

    Have these details changed? Until anybody hears the tape of the phone call (which we never will) how can we know? Is the FBI now going to launch a Logan Act prosecution which I believe has only happened once or twice in the history of the country? It might but the current reporting isn't suggesting that.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited February 2017
    BS44325 said:

    No. He has had 3 people step down.
    what alternate reality do you live in? or did you just miss the entire 2016 election? lol

    "Manafort, Trump's former campaign manager who advised a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine for nearly a decade, resigned five days after The New York Times reported that the party had earmarked $12.7 million for Manafort for his work between 2007-2012."

    "Page, whom Trump named as early foreign policy adviser to the campaign, served as an adviser "on key transactions" for Russia's state-owned energy giant Gazprom before setting up his own energy investment fund, Global Energy Capital, with former Gazprom executive Sergei Yatesenko.

    Page traveled Moscow for three days in mid-July, when he gave a speech at the New Economic School and, according to Yahoo, met with the sanctioned CEO of Russia's state oil company, Igor Sechin. The dossier, meanwhile, alleged that Sechin offered Page the brokerage of the sale of a 19% stake in Rosneft if he pressured Trump to lift sanctions on Russia.

    Page denied meeting with any sanctioned individuals during his trip, but he took "a leave of absence" from the Trump campaign shortly after the Yahoo report was published. The Trump campaign subsequently distanced itself from Page, claiming it never worked with him."

    http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-flynn-resigns-russia-paul-manafort-carter-page-2017-2

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    CM189191 said:

    The real story here is how some people seem to disappear when a shoe drops like this. Where are the usual troll comments while the Flynn/Russia news is unfolding? There is no capability for independent thought or analysis, simply parroting talking points. Tomorrow, they will all fill the threads with whatever Rush has to say, or Fox and Friends spins, but for the garbage as it is happening right now?
    They disappear, because they have no way to defend any of this crap, and their talking point deflections haven't hit the wire in their infosphere yet.
    Nice to know I'm not the only one who has noticed this. It happens every single time.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    BS44325 said:

    Rice was given her talking points and executed them. I don't blame her for the lie even though she is the one who told it. Time will tell whether there is an actual Russia gate. So far nobody is actually declaring that Flynn or anyone else broke the law. In fact current reporting says the FBI cleared Flynn so other then the lie to Pence I am not actually sure what "gate" is coming. This is from January 23:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.622fb466dc98

    Have these details changed? Until anybody hears the tape of the phone call (which we never will) how can we know? Is the FBI now going to launch a Logan Act prosecution which I believe has only happened once or twice in the history of the country? It might but the current reporting isn't suggesting that.
    There are transcripts. Supposedly the select intelligence committees will have them soon. I believe the situation has changed since that article.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,201
    dignin said:

    Nice to know I'm not the only one who has noticed this. It happens every single time.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    dignin said:

    Nice to know I'm not the only one who has noticed this. It happens every single time.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,489
    Jason P said:

    Dan Quayle must be watching this sideshow and just marvel over the amount of shit he took for spelling "potato" wrong.

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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    Jason P said:

    TRIGGER! :wink:
    Haha.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927

    And they all make the same references. Lately I've seen the "you lock your doors, don't you?" in immigrant discussions, and with refugees: "will you be letting them live in your house?"
    Which is hilarious because I actually live in a condo building full of Somali refugees and I don't ever have to lock my doors.

    /unless no one is at home, that would be stupid
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,591
    BS44325 said:

    A judge is certainly more then a statement. His EO on federal regulations is more then a statement. Pipeline approval is more then a statement. Instructing the justice department to enforce laws already on the books is more then a statement. Having his UN ambassador vote against certain members at the UN is more then a statement. The rest you are correct about but again it is about a sense of direction. Time will tell if the bluster becomes real and it will require congress to be a willing participant.
    I gave credit for the yet to be confirmed judge. The regulation order is marketing fluff. Form a committee? Create a report? Give me a break. Real action would be stopping the CFPB from using UDAAP as an excuse to regulate any business. That's on the table in the House. Make THAT a reality and I'll give him credit. Make Cordray one of three governors of the regulatory body. I'll call that action. The problem is that Trump can no longer rule by fiat like he did as a CEO. He's not a CEO. He needs to work with Congress. I'll wait patiently for something real.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,278

    That's literally what he said...in bold.
    He cut the Russia part out as a tie in.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    There are transcripts. Supposedly the select intelligence committees will have them soon. I believe the situation has changed since that article.
    You believe it has but current reporting doesn't confirm this. From my understanding the FBI already had this information. Therefore all we have now is the deep state spying on an American citizen and selectively releasing information that is normally shielded to the press.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    dignin said:

    Nice to know I'm not the only one who has noticed this. It happens every single time.
    Not even drudge has figured out how to spin this one yet. He is usually way out ahead of stuff like this.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,201
    The early spin was to try to focus on the source of the leak. I don't see that being a sound option as it makes them look non-transparent and keeps the overall story of Trump's hand-picked senior security adviser not even making it a month before fucking up.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Schiff: More info coming soon on Flynn-Russia ties
    Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) told House Democrats Tuesday that the recent revelations about former National Security Adviser Mike Flynn's conversations with the Russians are only the beginning, and more information will surface in the coming days, according to multiple sources in a closed party meeting.

    Schiff (D-Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, also said that any conversations that Flynn had with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak before Donald Trump took office would not be covered by executive privilege, potentially making some information subject to congressional investigations. Republicans have so far balked at probing this matter.

    Some top lawmakers on Capitol Hill have been briefed about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak, according to sources familiar with the briefings.

    Flynn resigned Monday night after reports that he discussed lifting U.S. sanctions on Russia with Kislyak. Flynn told Vice President Mike Pence that he had not discussed sanctions.
  • BS44325 said:

    You believe it has but current reporting doesn't confirm this. From my understanding the FBI already had this information. Therefore all we have now is the deep state spying on an American citizen and selectively releasing information that is normally shielded to the press.
    Flynn was not being spied on. He was dumb enough to call a Russian ambassador, who are routinely under surveillance. This is all on Flynn. After 30 years in service and in intelligence, it is truly a boneheaded move to not think his conversation would be recorded. When the ambassadors conversations were reviewed and it turned out it was Flynn on the other end who made comments about sanctions...the gig was up. It's all on Flynn at this point but it could go much higher very easily.
  • Not a troll, a status quo joe. Some people are trying to digest trump with false analogies about being the same as Clinton, Obama, etc. I know you've been away for awhile, but your kind is welcome here, too.
    Thanks. What is my kind?

    And for the record, Trump is nothing like Clinton who is nothing like Obama who is nothing like Trump who are all absolutely, positively nothing like Teddy Roosevelt.

    And wtf is a false analogy. Is that like strenuously objecting? It's either an analogy or not an analogy. It can be a poor analogy, but it can't be a false analogy. No analogy is true or false. They just are or are not. Are you letting me down easy? Just glad my kind are still welcome here. Whew.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,419

    Thanks. What is my kind?

    And for the record, Trump is nothing like Clinton who is nothing like Obama who is nothing like Trump who are all absolutely, positively nothing like Teddy Roosevelt.

    And wtf is a false analogy. Is that like strenuously objecting? It's either an analogy or not an analogy. It can be a poor analogy, but it can't be a false analogy. No analogy is true or false. They just are or are not. Are you letting me down easy? Just glad my kind are still welcome here. Whew.
    Fun questions! If you wanna split words, okay. Let's go with bad analogy but don't forget false equivalency. Or is that no good? And I'm generalizing you kind as people who refer to the past to ease the pain of trump and his sideshow.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,419
    Jason P said:

    Dan Quayle must be watching this sideshow and just marvel over the amount of shit he took for spelling "potato" wrong.

    I used to have a H.E.A.D. shirt, saying Hoosiers embarrassed about Dan underneath. I never thought I'd experience the exponential embarrassment I do now. I miss Dan!
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    when it walks like a duck... when it looks like a duck... when it quacks like a duck...

    its a duck... and its speaks Russian
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927

    Thanks. What is my kind?

    And for the record, Trump is nothing like Clinton who is nothing like Obama who is nothing like Trump who are all absolutely, positively nothing like Teddy Roosevelt.

    And wtf is a false analogy. Is that like strenuously objecting? It's either an analogy or not an analogy. It can be a poor analogy, but it can't be a false analogy. No analogy is true or false. They just are or are not. Are you letting me down easy? Just glad my kind are still welcome here. Whew.
    Faulty Analogy
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  • Fun questions! If you wanna split words, okay. Let's go with bad analogy but don't forget false equivalency. Or is that no good? And I'm generalizing you kind as people who refer to the past to ease the pain of trump and his sideshow.
    What am I easing the pain of? I'm not quite sure where you got that I'm a Trump supporter, but that's neither here nor there. We'll disagree, as I think it's a perfect analogy especially considering I think his original response that I was responding to was a somewhat (proper) glib response. So, when in the theater of the absurd, you should just go with it.

    I guess I must have struck a nerve on the Vince Foster. Do you know something you're not sharing?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,419

    What am I easing the pain of? I'm not quite sure where you got that I'm a Trump supporter, but that's neither here nor there. We'll disagree, as I think it's a perfect analogy especially considering I think his original response that I was responding to was a somewhat (proper) glib response. So, when in the theater of the absurd, you should just go with it.

    I guess I must have struck a nerve on the Vince Foster. Do you know something you're not sharing?
    Maybe I do. But I'd rather not be shanked by Ms. Clinton personally. She's a killa, ya know?
  • BS44325 said:

    Rice was given her talking points and executed them. I don't blame her for the lie even though she is the one who told it. Time will tell whether there is an actual Russia gate. So far nobody is actually declaring that Flynn or anyone else broke the law. In fact current reporting says the FBI cleared Flynn so other then the lie to Pence I am not actually sure what "gate" is coming. This is from January 23:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.622fb466dc98

    Have these details changed? Until anybody hears the tape of the phone call (which we never will) how can we know? Is the FBI now going to launch a Logan Act prosecution which I believe has only happened once or twice in the history of the country? It might but the current reporting isn't suggesting that.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    like my boy has been saying...

    FOLLOW THE MONEY!!!
  • Maybe I do. But I'd rather not be shanked by Ms. Clinton personally. She's a killa, ya know?
    Sort of like Monica Lewinsky?

    Oh, wait, that was only female attacking female for outing a man who committed workplace sexual abuse rather than supporting her. Faulty analogy.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    mfc2006 said:

    I sincerely hope it bounces back for you all.
    thanks.
    mfc2006 said:

    I sincerely hope it bounces back for you all.
    thanks. like i said, there are many others in the same boat as us. I suppose my main point was that the media is not covering the impending recession that I see coming. I hope I'm wrong and all of this is just a short term lull. It's striking how quickly things have shifted though. We were doing fine until October. I think most people around the office are still trying to get their heads around the situation.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,419

    Sort of like Monica Lewinsky?

    Oh, wait, that was only female attacking female for outing a man who committed workplace sexual abuse rather than supporting her. Faulty analogy.
    See, now you played right into my hands with your invalid false incorrect analogy equivalency. Workplace sexual harassment is not sexual assault. trump is not Clinton is the arena of sexual offending. What trump has admitted to carries penalities and tracking as a sex offender.
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