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That's an exception not the rule that puts the party ahead of the electorate = not a democracymrussel1 said:
Because that would leave it open for dirty tricks. Democrats would vote for the person they see as the easier target on the GOP side and vice versa. It would get ugly in a hurry. It happened here in Virginia in my district. Eric Cantor was our congressman (douchy). No Democrat has a chance here so there was no primary run. So Dems crossed over and voted for Dave Bratt, thinking we had a better chance at him. Bratt beat Cantor and then beat our guy. Now we're stuck with chief tea partier vs. chief douche. But anyway, this would absolutely happen if you could vote in both.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff0 -
sabotage. you'd vote for who you'd want to go against your candidate, which really doesn't make sense. in canada, the party chooses their own leader, not the voters. that would be like saying the liberals should have a say in who the conservative leader will be.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
edit: I had no idea in certain states you could actually do this. how bizarre.Post edited by HughFreakingDillon onBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
As we have learned from the leaks dirty tricks run rampant anyway so take your pick totally dirty or totally clean. Only an undemocratic democracy can have it both ways.jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.0 -
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I don't know how it works... is it impossible for people to be registered for both parties?? If so, why? And how would they know? Is someone meticulously comparing party member lists?jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
MR I certainly don't expect you to defend the democracy but your good a defending. No need to reply as I hope this latest discussion opens more eyes.0
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At least the parties give the voters some say, or an illusion of influence in their selection. The party could easily just do the cigar smoking, backroom, good ol' boy deal and put up whomever they want.JC29856 said:
As we have learned from the leaks dirty tricks run rampant anyway so take your pick totally dirty or totally clean. Only an undemocratic democracy can have it both ways.jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
You could have used a good old naked locker room party, just saying.jeffbr said:
At least the parties give the voters some say, or an illusion of influence in their selection. The party could easily just do the cigar smoking, backroom, good ol' boy deal and put up whomever they want.JC29856 said:
As we have learned from the leaks dirty tricks run rampant anyway so take your pick totally dirty or totally clean. Only an undemocratic democracy can have it both ways.jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.0 -
The party leader could be selected in a Roman bath house. That's my personal favorite.JC29856 said:
You could have used a good old naked locker room party, just saying.jeffbr said:
At least the parties give the voters some say, or an illusion of influence in their selection. The party could easily just do the cigar smoking, backroom, good ol' boy deal and put up whomever they want.JC29856 said:
As we have learned from the leaks dirty tricks run rampant anyway so take your pick totally dirty or totally clean. Only an undemocratic democracy can have it both ways.jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.0 -
Does it matter that 40% of registered voters are not registered "dem" or "gop"?jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.0 -
JC29856 said:
Nice coin and you only have to get illegals to work for $10 per hour every 4 years! It's like an every four year tax accountant! PM me we can set this up.dignin said:
I need to get into the polling business.JC29856 said:Trump favorability rating:
Favorable 30
Unfavorable 63
NET: -33
—NBC/WSJ poll Oct. 8-10
*the polling company that administered this poll has received more than $350,000 from Hillary Clinton political action committees from 7/16 thru 9/16
Cha ching!
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If there were no parties, this would make sense. The existence of parties sort of necessitates it. There were no primaries before 1900 or so. Even then, they were added state by state over time. They used to be just chosen at the conventions.JC29856 said:
That's an exception not the rule that puts the party ahead of the electorate = not a democracymrussel1 said:
Because that would leave it open for dirty tricks. Democrats would vote for the person they see as the easier target on the GOP side and vice versa. It would get ugly in a hurry. It happened here in Virginia in my district. Eric Cantor was our congressman (douchy). No Democrat has a chance here so there was no primary run. So Dems crossed over and voted for Dave Bratt, thinking we had a better chance at him. Bratt beat Cantor and then beat our guy. Now we're stuck with chief tea partier vs. chief douche. But anyway, this would absolutely happen if you could vote in both.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff0 -
I knew I could spark that little hands sense of humor from you.mrussel1 said:
The party leader could be selected in a Roman bath house. That's my personal favorite.JC29856 said:
You could have used a good old naked locker room party, just saying.jeffbr said:
At least the parties give the voters some say, or an illusion of influence in their selection. The party could easily just do the cigar smoking, backroom, good ol' boy deal and put up whomever they want.JC29856 said:
As we have learned from the leaks dirty tricks run rampant anyway so take your pick totally dirty or totally clean. Only an undemocratic democracy can have it both ways.jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.0 -
Clever.JC29856 said:
I knew I could spark that little hands sense of humor from you.mrussel1 said:
The party leader could be selected in a Roman bath house. That's my personal favorite.JC29856 said:
You could have used a good old naked locker room party, just saying.jeffbr said:
At least the parties give the voters some say, or an illusion of influence in their selection. The party could easily just do the cigar smoking, backroom, good ol' boy deal and put up whomever they want.JC29856 said:
As we have learned from the leaks dirty tricks run rampant anyway so take your pick totally dirty or totally clean. Only an undemocratic democracy can have it both ways.jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.0 -
It varies state by state. So in my state we don't have to declare party. We can just select one of the nominees. So I could either vote FOR a candidate from my party (if I had one), or vote AGAINST a candidate from the other party. In other states you are required to declare your party preference, and you receive a ballot specifically for that party.PJ_Soul said:
I don't know how it works... is it impossible for people to be registered for both parties?? If so, why? And how would they know? Is someone meticulously comparing party member lists?jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Only bec the duopoly were wise to having limited participation.mrussel1 said:
If there were no parties, this would make sense. The existence of parties sort of necessitates it. There were no primaries before 1900 or so. Even then, they were added state by state over time. They used to be just chosen at the conventions.JC29856 said:
That's an exception not the rule that puts the party ahead of the electorate = not a democracymrussel1 said:
Because that would leave it open for dirty tricks. Democrats would vote for the person they see as the easier target on the GOP side and vice versa. It would get ugly in a hurry. It happened here in Virginia in my district. Eric Cantor was our congressman (douchy). No Democrat has a chance here so there was no primary run. So Dems crossed over and voted for Dave Bratt, thinking we had a better chance at him. Bratt beat Cantor and then beat our guy. Now we're stuck with chief tea partier vs. chief douche. But anyway, this would absolutely happen if you could vote in both.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Dinosaurs:Ross Perot and the league of women's voters0 -
wow. I didn't know that. interesting.jeffbr said:
It varies state by state. So in my state we don't have to declare party. We can just select one of the nominees. So I could either vote FOR a candidate from my party (if I had one), or vote AGAINST a candidate from the other party. In other states you are required to declare your party preference, and you receive a ballot specifically for that party.PJ_Soul said:
I don't know how it works... is it impossible for people to be registered for both parties?? If so, why? And how would they know? Is someone meticulously comparing party member lists?jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Like I said...learn something new everydayHughFreakingDillon said:
wow. I didn't know that. interesting.jeffbr said:
It varies state by state. So in my state we don't have to declare party. We can just select one of the nominees. So I could either vote FOR a candidate from my party (if I had one), or vote AGAINST a candidate from the other party. In other states you are required to declare your party preference, and you receive a ballot specifically for that party.PJ_Soul said:
I don't know how it works... is it impossible for people to be registered for both parties?? If so, why? And how would they know? Is someone meticulously comparing party member lists?jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.0 -
Yeah it matters, they ought to get over themselves and register with the party that most closely represents their beliefs when important elections come along.JC29856 said:
Does it matter that 40% of registered voters are not registered "dem" or "gop"?jeffbr said:
The primary exists for party members to select their nominee. Why would a party want others playing a role in that? It isn't meant to be a general election for all registered voters.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
Sometimes, primaries mean jack shit to the parties (see Washington State Democratic primary), and it is just a formality or an appeasement to voters who think they have a voice, since the actual selection of their delegates takes place at the caucuses.
Perhaps if those 40% were less concerned with a cuddlebear candidate that makes them feel warm and snuggly inside we would be looking at a Sanders vs Kasich election and the country would be a hell of alot better off!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Doesn't this contribute to the us vs them, winner vs loser mentality that is destroying politics today? Let's say you're not a registered party member; you are undecided, independent, whatever. These undecided voters go to the primaries and are able to vote for the best R and D that they think will do the best job. Then politicians would actually tack towards the middle in the primary, instead of catering to the far extremes of their base. We might actually get some elected officials who understand they represent all their constituents. People who are able to listen and compromise. Instead, it's become winner take all. Politics is not a sports contest.HughFreakingDillon said:
sabotage. you'd vote for who you'd want to go against your candidate, which really doesn't make sense. in canada, the party chooses their own leader, not the voters. that would be like saying the liberals should have a say in who the conservative leader will be.CM189191 said:
Why not?mrussel1 said:
Well I don't know... but it doesn't make sense to be able to vote in both primaries.JC29856 said:
In many states voters can only vote in the party primary to which they are registered. Why bother watching a GOP primary "debate" if I have no vote since I'm registered Dem and vice versa?mrussel1 said:
There were about 15 GOP debates and several Democratic ones. There are three debates with the finalists.JC29856 said:
The electorate has to endure 800 days of campaigning and only 6 hours of "debate"?mrussel1 said:
Three... for the last several elections, certainly this century.JC29856 said:
Trump has everything to gain and nothing to lose. I'm curious to know how many "debates" there were in the past?Gern Blansten said:
I don't disagree...except for this year. Trump has turned it into a fucking circus.JC29856 said:
3 "debates" isn't even enough, especially when other voices are shut out. I wonder what other countries do?Gern Blansten said:
Bill Moyer posted today that he thinks they should drop that last debate. Of course neither Clinton nor Trump will want to be the first to drop out but I think it's a good idea.Degeneratefk said:I don't think Clinton needs to say another fucking word. Trump is doing a great job handing this election to her.
Trump is making this process a fucking redneck joke.
Yakoff Smirnoff
edit: I had no idea in certain states you could actually do this. how bizarre.0
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